Topic: Taxless and free society? - page 6. (Read 2689 times)

If they build a taxless society in a way of large enclosed area, and somehow manage to come to terms with the original owner ( the government) to pay enough for it that the land will become free of property tax for another x years (1000? ) they will still have to gather money from the citizens to finance commonly used things like power plants, that's unless they decide all citizens are on their own. Having a shared sewage and water treatment, power generator and so on is much cheaper and more efficient.


We don't deduct tax in here. The actual power of your 50c post is 50c
Also, I agree with all that you've posted. We shouldn't seek a taxless society, but one where taxes are low and simple to understand. I'd be completely fine with paying a fixed amount each year for the things I'm sharing with others, like roads, hospitals, fire dept, but I'm not fine with being taxed multiple times on every step.

There is no way a completely free society can be achieved because when there is absolute freedom, people tend to abuse it. Buying an island means you need to be concerned about the justice syatem because we all have reasons to disagree, the police for security reasons, leadership because any society will need a leader to lead them. If he wants to buy, he should better go enjoy it himself as 3 to 10years from now is not achievable.

Taxes aren't always a bad thing. We need taxes to support the economy and develop it. Bitcoin would be a better vehicle in a faster, more efficient society.

most people who hates taxes are the one who does not understand how it works and why it should exist. the idea of taxless society is good but it will never be successful since taxes are always present in a state, it is the life and blood of a country in order to sustain operating expenses, keep the safety of its citizen, and to secure the land to invasion.

of course, if I can imagining a taxless and free society is always what I have imagined when I first saw bitcoin on the market but it's not what it seems bitcoins need to improve a lot or I can say in other words bitcoin is still not prepared for handling our entire population. people should not always depend on just one cryptocurrency they should try on other currencies too. they can save you 10 times more fees than bitcoin.

Taxes will be implied to the society because that's the aim for the country leaders to collect from the established business, so that the funds will be used for the improvement of the countries growing economy. Not just in theory but in reality people will behave in the same manner that implementing tax free society can be with exception and not into the general terms and conditions.

Swiss cantons model / Ireland model
--> still taxes, but extremely low in order to attract big bag holders and play the volume.


A taxless society is imho an utopia. Worst case scenario: in order to maintain regalian functions, like order, justice etc, a taxless gvt ha no other option than totalitarism to control the masses.
The anarchist bitching about taxes in the quiet comfort of his suburban-connected home is a laughable vision.


More seriously, if the right amount of tax is one question, but (again imho), for me the TRANSPARENCY and EQUITY of the system is key.

Typical example from France where I come from: the taxes are STAKED and it becomes ridiculous
1- you create 200EUR of value and your company transfers 100 to you as "brutto salary"
2- your company pays 40% of taxes on this -> 60 becomes your "gross income"
3- out of the remaining your are taxed 25% --> net income is now 45EUR
4- you purchase something: VAT is 20% --> 36EUR is your real buying power
5- if what you purchased has an utility, you may be taxed more (gas, housing, etc...)

In the end, out of 100EUR of redistributed value, you can maybe find 30EUR of bottom line purchasing power.
And you can be taxed on the usage of what you created. At least 70% is gone.
This figure is
1- to high (and it costs probably a lot to catch every tax, so there are massive losses for the gvt)
2- not transparent because staked.


My 50cents (15c actually...)

As much as I HATE paying taxes, it's still gotta happen. Bitcoin will probably make collection easier though

If we were to pursue a taxless society, how is the country going to develop? Taxes pay for just about everything from roads, schools, police, etc.

I don't see it happening because if they buy land, it won't be their land. It will still belong to the government of a country they're in. Every land you buy is on a permanent lease. Your children can take over, but if they die and there's nobody to inherit the land it goes back to the government. They have the right to enter your land if they suspect a crime is taking place, or if they need to dig out a pipe or make a road. You only think the land is yours until they come in and take it from you.

I wish this world existed, but it's too much like utopia. You have to consider greed and power that play huge factors in nations. Plus, taxes are for developing the nations. If we don't pay taxes, who's going to pay for the roads?

It's not unimaginable, it's just nonfunctional in practice. Law and order would be down to private entities, just like everything else.

If there are no taxes then everyone must have a role that person must fulfill in order for that to work. Knowing how people really behave that is possible only in theory. Someone would just feel lazy in practice

corporations, if it's the kind of libertarian society that allows corporations.

each will own, maintain, and charge for infrastructure. as long as it's profitable that is.

But the question is that without taxes how will the govt. Manage to accumulate funds? Leave every thing just tell who will take care of law and order? Such society is unimaginable.

Who provides and pays for 'public goods' in a taxless society? How is road maintenance paid for? How is insurance subsidized? Who provides grants? Infrastructure?

I can completely understand where you're coming from. It might be shitty, but it's my shit. I've seen the worst and I've seen the best, but my heart was won the day I first understood.


People have no idea what they give up when the accept not to pay tax. Just ask the citizens of Brunei Darussalam. In fact, ask the rulers. They will have to admit that the tax-free experiment can only go so far. Taxes are necessary, unless the society is matured enough to understand their individual roles in collective responsibility. And be willing to play that role! But until the many believe the few will pick things up, a state needs to collect revenue.

Sort of, Monaco has an extradition treaty with US. So for example if US would ever ban or prosecute crypto holders, Monaco wouldn't be safe for libertarians (Think Assange, Snowden).

This can only exist if resources are no longer finite (requirement for some form of next to free energy and the abilty to utilise this to shape matter) Sounds sci fi to me!

This is utopia, such society could never exist. Only in some fairytale. How such country would be financed and how could political elites survive and who would pay for them? People are greedy and very selfish when their own interests are involved and that is why I don't beleive that ideal society is ever possible.