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Quote from: bamboylee on September 21, 2017, 01:20:44 PM

Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Nope. My country maybe full of corrupt officials and lots of problems everywhere but I will never replace it with another country.

sad to say but most of the countries have experienced those kind problem since the beginning when those officials had exist in the history. as the news of the improvements and modifications has already spread throughout the world, we cannot neglect the fact that someday the government will take their actions and maybe right now they are planning somekind of strategy to make us lose interest about bitcoin.

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Taxless and free society? Sure. Cypherpunks have been coming up with the goods and I can't wait to see what comes up next.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

I don't know, man. That sounds good on paper but could very well be a disaster in reality. It's hard to blame people for losing trust in their governments, but they're vital to modern society. It's easy to say 'Hey, it'll be fine, we all have money and we can coexist with few problems so we don't need a ruling body', but you have to consider that you're dealing with different people with different sets of values and ideologies.

You also have to factor in the use Bitcoins to the equation, which as we know, is easily used for crime. Will you be able to trust your neighbors knowing full well they can do whatever they want and get away with it? The rise of conflict won't be a question of 'if', but rather of 'when'. It will be complete and utter anarchy.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

i could only said wow its a great idea but i think roger and his friends need a big money to buy that land especially we know that the land price in us/europe is too expensive. but once the country is born, i think many people will thinking to move into that country and live in there. but i am not sure it will happen in 2-3 years from now on because to build or create a country will need many things and not just the money involve.

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Quote from: cpfreeplz on September 21, 2017, 09:18:24 PM

This has been brought up so many times but who the hell is going to pay for infrastructure? Hospitals? What if you break your leg? You just get shot and life moves on? Idk, I'm skeptical that it could ever work unless the 'government' in this country is invested in cryptocurrency and everything is bought with the interest made from them.

Agreed. People are now smart and you have to have something that could at least maintain the economy. Indeed some countries are tactless but they are the main manufacturers of infrastructures of other countries. Or they energy that could help them without requiring there citizen for taxes. It's not easy to be a tactless country be alone having a free society. There will be hierarchy for more organized living rather than scavenging everywhere.

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Quote from: bamboylee on September 21, 2017, 01:20:44 PM

Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Nope. My country maybe full of corrupt officials and lots of problems everywhere but I will never replace it with another country.

I've read somewhere before that an experimental society existed where there was no ruling body or government, everyone lived freely and they were from a bunch of different races. I think it was called 'auroville' and it is located somewhere at India. It was said to be peaceful and everyone there lived equally. It sounded as if it came straight from a dystopian novel. I'm not quite sure if this is true but if it were, I wouldn't choose to live there. Although fiction, endings of dystopian novels don't end nicely. In the end, some sort of rebellion or massacre is bound to happen. Despite the complications of social classes and economic inequality experienced in my country, I'd rather strive to survive in it.

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This has been brought up so many times but who the hell is going to pay for infrastructure? Hospitals? What if you break your leg? You just get shot and life moves on? Idk, I'm skeptical that it could ever work unless the 'government' in this country is invested in cryptocurrency and everything is bought with the interest made from them.

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if this happen in a country everything will fall apart. with no tax government can't fanction and government will gone. the rich will rule for sure because they can do whatever they want.

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Well, taxless, I don't think so. In my country so many rich ppl are running from paying taxes.
So if it's really true, then it was like giving them a chance to run even further.
It's also for its country, too, none else. For its improvement such as economic growth, environment, etc.
So it could be a better country.

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Quote from: gregall on September 21, 2017, 03:06:03 PM

If we were to pursue a taxless society, how is the country going to develop? Taxes pay for just about everything from roads, schools, police, etc.

it is true to be a good citizen we are obliged to pay taxes, many developing country countries that have implemented the tax system for the country to be better and can continue to grow.
so I do not agree with a country that is free to buy something let alone the land.

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Quote from: eckmar on September 21, 2017, 02:49:56 PM

If there are no taxes then everyone must have a role that person must fulfill in order for that to work. Knowing how people really behave that is possible only in theory. Someone would just feel lazy in practice

Yes it is and that would really happen if there is no tax on that society they do that just because they hate tax but they dont think some possibilities of paying taxes if they asked me about yhis my decisions are no i dont want to live on that society.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

I don't know if that is possible, countries that are tax free are those with huge oil supplies like Brunei among others and I don't know what is Roger Ver's definition of free society, there's no such things as free in any country but it's an interesting idea, let's see if it materialize.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Roger Ver saying something and you're taking it serious, interesting.

Obviously knows, it's impossible to build tax free, rich society since governments will never let this happen.

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I will not move to that country because I love my country so much. I was born in my country, my relatives and friends are in my country. my memories are very much in my country.

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This is an incredibly poor idea. It will turn into Lord of the Flies in seconds.

Id rather see tax advantages for BTC in developed countries like the recent proposal for transactions under $600 to be tax free.

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Perhaps we are judging too soon what taxless means. For a functional group of individuals to live together, let's say in an apartment, there must still be some collective activity to maintain the household and pay for common goods. Everyone otherwise works in their own self interest and would rather get the other person to lay while enjoying the outcome.

It might not be called tax but some form of funding mechanism is needed to pay for public goods, if not the society will soon crumble under its own weight due to poor maintenance and lack of public utilities.

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If they can buy a big land and regulate it as they want, it maybe a good way for them to live freely from taxes.
But it should be established outside the territory of a country, as govs could claim to collect the tax from their land.
US or Europe area isn't a good option to avoid taxes, so they may choose a land in the middle of nowhere in Asia continent.

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Tax is not a bad thing. Because as a good citizen we have to pay taxes. Because the taxes have also been set according to the income earned. All that is to help the country's economy to grow and be independent. I think that needs to be in the fight is koruptornya. Where the government's way of fighting corrupt.Suhaya tax can be used according to the procedure.

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How do you think the country is going to get enough revenue to develop its self and public services? Removing tax is going to hamper development. You need to find an alternative solution for this.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on September 21, 2017, 03:32:13 PM

If they build a taxless society in a way of large enclosed area, and somehow manage to come to terms with the original owner ( the government) to pay enough for it that the land will become free of property tax for another x years (1000? Cheesy

) they will still have to gather money from the citizens to finance commonly used things like power plants, that's unless they decide all citizens are on their own. Having a shared sewage and water treatment, power generator and so on is much cheaper and more efficient.

Quote from: stupid_seb on September 21, 2017, 03:11:04 PM

My 50cents (15c actually...)

We don't deduct tax in here. The actual power of your 50c post is 50c Cheesy

Also, I agree with all that you've posted. We shouldn't seek a taxless society, but one where taxes are low and simple to understand. I'd be completely fine with paying a fixed amount each year for the things I'm sharing with others, like roads, hospitals, fire dept, but I'm not fine with being taxed multiple times on every step.

Thx for the tax not deducted ;-)

Taxing bitcoin profits is probably a good thing if we want mass adoption.
Giving 20% on my x100 profits... I am OK with that.

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