Topic: Taxless and free society? - page 3. (Read 2699 times)

I don't think even starting it on a pilot basis will work because as humans from our past generations (even in slavery) were made to pay taxes and taxes are what makes our countries better .

This can only exist if resources are no longer finite (requirement for some form of next to free energy and the abilty to utilise this to shape matter) Sounds sci fi to me!

There has been many attempts to try to create new countries and all of them have failed, this is not going to work, the best chance is to find a country with a very low population and that is very small and then buy the government with the promises that if they pass the laws that we want that a lot of investments are going to come their way, in a way it is going to be an attempt to create an utopia and if we are successful then we may be able to create it.

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Swiss cantons model / Ireland model
--> still taxes, but extremely low in order to attract big bag holders and play the volume.


A taxless society is imho an utopia. Worst case scenario: in order to maintain regalian functions, like order, justice etc, a taxless gvt ha no other option than totalitarism to control the masses.
The anarchist bitching about taxes in the quiet comfort of his suburban-connected home is a laughable vision.


More seriously, if the right amount of tax is one question, but (again imho), for me the TRANSPARENCY and EQUITY of the system is key.

Typical example from France where I come from: the taxes are STAKED and it becomes ridiculous
1- you create 200EUR of value and your company transfers 100 to you as "brutto salary"
2- your company pays 40% of taxes on this -> 60 becomes your "gross income"
3- out of the remaining your are taxed 25% --> net income is now 45EUR
4- you purchase something: VAT is 20% --> 36EUR is your real buying power
5- if what you purchased has an utility, you may be taxed more (gas, housing, etc...)

In the end, out of 100EUR of redistributed value, you can maybe find 30EUR of bottom line purchasing power.
And you can be taxed on the usage of what you created. At least 70% is gone.
This figure is
1- to high (and it costs probably a lot to catch every tax, so there are massive losses for the gvt)
2- not transparent because staked.


My 50cents (15c actually...)

It seems to be a good idea...Pay no taxes and live free. But believe me, it is not at all practical. In Such society, Only rich and Strong can survive, the Crime rate will increase like HELL. Taxes are somehow important to live free and safe.

When I read about those libertarian countries it always makes me wonder how are they planning to keep this freedom and maintain order.
If a poor country happens to have such rich libertarian country for a neighbor it may try to attack and plunder. And what if one of their fellow libertarians becomes a psychotic serial killer? Will they be able to track him down? It's not something a neighborhood watch can handle

It is called the Principauté de Monaco

Works somehow on a Proof of Stake model: show the dough, live there, pay zero taxes

I don't know, I not completely against taxes, because they do provide a way for everyone to contribute to development of our country. I don't like of course the way that the money raised from taxes is sometimes used, so it's hard to imagine how things would work. I would still like this to go through, it would be a great social experiment.

This has been brought up so many times but who the hell is going to pay for infrastructure? Hospitals? What if you break your leg? You just get shot and life moves on? Idk, I'm skeptical that it could ever work unless the 'government' in this country is invested in cryptocurrency and everything is bought with the interest made from them.

Yes it is, taxes are for development, infrastructure, establishments and public services, I think having taxes with everything and everyones money if taxes will go to their purposes but nowadays corruption is being accepted to government and it limits the possibility for a country to become progressive as soon as possible.