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Quote from: Trofo on December 25, 2022, 03:10:53 AM

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Carlos ALcaraz is probably the best tennis player for the future. Putting yourself in the row with Ferderer, Djokovic and Nadal that will not work for the time being. Those 3 literally and figuratively lifted the tennis level to a high level and were a great inspiration for many tennis players. I also don't know if we're going to get a lot of rivalry at the top, it would be good because they can keep each other on their toes. You should think of players like Jack Sinner for example. And I'm still curious how long Nadal and Djokovic can continue playing tennis. Nadal seems to be a bit more injury prone, so maybe his end will come sooner than we all want and think.

Alcaraz didnt deserve the first place at all. He just got lucky that wimbledon didnt count and that djokovic couldnt play both australian open and us open. If Djokovic played at least half of the tournaments he would be in a huge lead. There is no doubt that he is the future but not even close to the big 3

Alcaraz can't measure with big three since he just started his career. But he is the player that can blow any of the big three from the pitch on his day. He still has to learn how to cope and come on top in matches when it is not his day. That is something that Nadal and Djoković do better than anyone, they just hang in the match and mix their game until they find the crack in your game and then they destroy the opponents. But Alcaraz really has it all, great shots, ability to run down even the toughest balls and great mentality for somebody that young. I don't see anybody except Djoković even challenging him for number one. If Djoković can play all the top tournaments this season he will be top of the list even with mediocre results, he has very little points to defend.

Alcaraz can certainly be one of the best in the world. But my opinion is that we should not compare him with the big three already as you said. First of all that is going to give him a massive ego. And another thing is, he might actually find trouble living up to their expectations because of being compared with the greatest so early in his career. Seeing him not being able to live up to the expectation can cause his career to go towards a downward spiral. And I think as he is still young, he has a lot to learn. And I also see no one except Novak Djokovic challenging him for that number one spot right now. So that should make things a little easier for him.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 26, 2022, 04:06:42 AM

Theoretically the way I look at it is that Nadal and Djokovic have pretty much developed their
game to the max whereas the younger generation and in particular Alcaraz are still developing.

Could be, we are already in 2022 era, so most likely this old guard will have to retire because they have max their potential already. To the point that when they tried, their body is no longer responding to them, the way we see on Federer and then it starts to deteriorate, wear and tear on this body caught up with the. But the good news is that we have a new set of players going to take over from them.

Quote from: aoluain on December 26, 2022, 04:06:42 AM

I would like to think that Alcaraz in 2023 will be much better than 2022 and should pose more
of a threat to everyone including Djokovic.

I agree, by leaps and bounds, sure in 2022 he had a break out run, but Alcaraz would dominate next year just like Djokovic did when he was younger. So it's good to see the old and the young generations fighting it out in any of the Grand Slams for next year.

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Theoretically the way I look at it is that Nadal and Djokovic have pretty much developed their
game to the max whereas the younger generation and in particular Alcaraz are still developing.

I would like to think that Alcaraz in 2023 will be much better than 2022 and should pose more
of a threat to everyone including Djokovic.

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Carlos ALcaraz is probably the best tennis player for the future. Putting yourself in the row with Ferderer, Djokovic and Nadal that will not work for the time being. Those 3 literally and figuratively lifted the tennis level to a high level and were a great inspiration for many tennis players. I also don't know if we're going to get a lot of rivalry at the top, it would be good because they can keep each other on their toes. You should think of players like Jack Sinner for example. And I'm still curious how long Nadal and Djokovic can continue playing tennis. Nadal seems to be a bit more injury prone, so maybe his end will come sooner than we all want and think.

Alcaraz didnt deserve the first place at all. He just got lucky that wimbledon didnt count and that djokovic couldnt play both australian open and us open. If Djokovic played at least half of the tournaments he would be in a huge lead. There is no doubt that he is the future but not even close to the big 3

Alcaraz can't measure with big three since he just started his career. But he is the player that can blow any of the big three from the pitch on his day. He still has to learn how to cope and come on top in matches when it is not his day. That is something that Nadal and Djoković do better than anyone, they just hang in the match and mix their game until they find the crack in your game and then they destroy the opponents. But Alcaraz really has it all, great shots, ability to run down even the toughest balls and great mentality for somebody that young. I don't see anybody except Djoković even challenging him for number one. If Djoković can play all the top tournaments this season he will be top of the list even with mediocre results, he has very little points to defend.

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Carlos ALcaraz is probably the best tennis player for the future. Putting yourself in the row with Ferderer, Djokovic and Nadal that will not work for the time being. Those 3 literally and figuratively lifted the tennis level to a high level and were a great inspiration for many tennis players. I also don't know if we're going to get a lot of rivalry at the top, it would be good because they can keep each other on their toes. You should think of players like Jack Sinner for example. And I'm still curious how long Nadal and Djokovic can continue playing tennis. Nadal seems to be a bit more injury prone, so maybe his end will come sooner than we all want and think.

Alcaraz didnt deserve the first place at all. He just got lucky that wimbledon didnt count and that djokovic couldnt play both australian open and us open. If Djokovic played at least half of the tournaments he would be in a huge lead. There is no doubt that he is the future but not even close to the big 3

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Carlos ALcaraz is probably the best tennis player for the future. Putting yourself in the row with Ferderer, Djokovic and Nadal that will not work for the time being. Those 3 literally and figuratively lifted the tennis level to a high level and were a great inspiration for many tennis players. I also don't know if we're going to get a lot of rivalry at the top, it would be good because they can keep each other on their toes. You should think of players like Jack Sinner for example. And I'm still curious how long Nadal and Djokovic can continue playing tennis. Nadal seems to be a bit more injury prone, so maybe his end will come sooner than we all want and think.

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For me I think Nadal performed better in the earlier part of the season this year than
at the end of season. These results were all from the first 6 months:

Winning 2 grand slams, Australia and France
Winning, Melbourne and Mexico
Beaten in the final of Indian Wells
Beaten in the quarter final at Madrid

After his semi final loss at Wimbledon in July he didn't reach those highs again!

I strongly believe he will be better early on in the season!

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I think Nadal will still be a major threat in the early part of the season when he is fresh and
fit. His skills, experience and his mentality will be able to compensate a bit for his fitness.

His main threat over a 5 set match is going to be the top experienced guys, Djokovic obviously,
Zverev and Medvedev and Alcaraz I suppose.

Nadal for me wont make it into the semis or even final in the upcoming tournaments. His injury i think really hurts him for a long run . Djokovic is fully ready now and i think will win most of the tournaments. It looks like he is the best shape possible and is just temping form for the big tournaments.

Admit it or not, it seems that Nadal is also injury prone at this point of his career. And we have seen this from Roger Federer starting 2019 if I'm not mistaken and then he takes on sabbatical skips some tournament just to be healthy and it didn't help him.

Might be the same case for Nadal now, he might choose what tournament he will enter just to preserved his body. Unlike Dkojokic wherein he was still in his prime and the mentality to win more majors next year will be his top goals and for sure eager to get back 2023 in Australian Open.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 20, 2022, 07:09:08 PM

I think Nadal will still be a major threat in the early part of the season when he is fresh and
fit. His skills, experience and his mentality will be able to compensate a bit for his fitness.

His main threat over a 5 set match is going to be the top experienced guys, Djokovic obviously,
Zverev and Medvedev and Alcaraz I suppose.

Nadal for me wont make it into the semis or even final in the upcoming tournaments. His injury i think really hurts him for a long run . Djokovic is fully ready now and i think will win most of the tournaments. It looks like he is the best shape possible and is just temping form for the big tournaments.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 23, 2022, 11:13:22 AM

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Quote from: aoluain on December 20, 2022, 07:09:08 PM

I think Nadal will still be a major threat in the early part of the season when he is fresh and
fit. His skills, experience and his mentality will be able to compensate a bit for his fitness.

His main threat over a 5 set match is going to be the top experienced guys, Djokovic obviously,
Zverev and Medvedev and Alcaraz I suppose.

Obviously, Rafael Nadal is not expected to be eliminated early on. He is still a very capable player. People are saying that he is not eligible to win the title. Despite that, he is not bad enough to be eliminated from the tournament in the first round.

I think the five-set matches are going to be a treat for him alone because I don’t think he still has that type of stamina right now. As he gets older, it is also likely that his stamina will decrease as well. My opinion is that he is not winning. But he should be able to go far in this tournament.

I would think the opposite, I think a 5 set match suits him better because of his other strengths,
Skill and mentality or mental strength.

In a three set match if a player gets the better of you in the first two sets, it's over. In a five setter
you can go behind in the first two sets and still win the match.

I have seen some younger players with less experience go ahead in grand slams but don't have
the mental strength to finish the match

Mental strength is very important and most of the time while the match moves to the fourth set, we can see the stamina going down. As said even after losing the first two sets it is possible to have a comeback, because the winner could've made the hardest play during the first two sets.

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Quote from: posi on December 21, 2022, 01:43:24 PM

Quote from: aoluain on December 20, 2022, 07:09:08 PM

I think Nadal will still be a major threat in the early part of the season when he is fresh and
fit. His skills, experience and his mentality will be able to compensate a bit for his fitness.

His main threat over a 5 set match is going to be the top experienced guys, Djokovic obviously,
Zverev and Medvedev and Alcaraz I suppose.

Obviously, Rafael Nadal is not expected to be eliminated early on. He is still a very capable player. People are saying that he is not eligible to win the title. Despite that, he is not bad enough to be eliminated from the tournament in the first round.

I think the five-set matches are going to be a treat for him alone because I don’t think he still has that type of stamina right now. As he gets older, it is also likely that his stamina will decrease as well. My opinion is that he is not winning. But he should be able to go far in this tournament.

I would think the opposite, I think a 5 set match suits him better because of his other strengths,
Skill and mentality or mental strength.

In a three set match if a player gets the better of you in the first two sets, it's over. In a five setter
you can go behind in the first two sets and still win the match.

I have seen some younger players with less experience go ahead in grand slams but don't have
the mental strength to finish the match

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Quote from: aoluain on December 20, 2022, 07:09:08 PM

I think Nadal will still be a major threat in the early part of the season when he is fresh and
fit. His skills, experience and his mentality will be able to compensate a bit for his fitness.

His main threat over a 5 set match is going to be the top experienced guys, Djokovic obviously,
Zverev and Medvedev and Alcaraz I suppose.

Obviously, Rafael Nadal is not expected to be eliminated early on. He is still a very capable player. People are saying that he is not eligible to win the title. Despite that, he is not bad enough to be eliminated from the tournament in the first round.

I think the five-set matches are going to be a treat for him alone because I don’t think he still has that type of stamina right now. As he gets older, it is also likely that his stamina will decrease as well. My opinion is that he is not winning. But he should be able to go far in this tournament.

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I think Nadal will still be a major threat in the early part of the season when he is fresh and
fit. His skills, experience and his mentality will be able to compensate a bit for his fitness.

His main threat over a 5 set match is going to be the top experienced guys, Djokovic obviously,
Zverev and Medvedev and Alcaraz I suppose.

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Quote from: KennyR on December 19, 2022, 06:54:47 PM

It is true, Nadal is too old to keep himself fit against the young players who are making unexpected results on matches. More young players have emerged. For now even with the players of his age he wasn't the strongest as mentioned. Once the play goes down automatically the physical fitness too goes down. This is what happened with Nadal and it is true Djokovic is strong against Nadal.

Even if Rafael Nadal is able to keep himself fit, at this age, 100% of him is going to be like 50% of him when he was in his prime. There is no doubt that Rafael Nadal is a very skilled player. There is also no question about the ability of Rafael Nadal. I am also not trying to insult him. I am just saying the facts. It is often difficult to accept the fact that this is true. It is unlikely that he will be able to win the tournament. There is just too much competition for him to handle. I am tempted to say that if he ever reaches that final, it will be considered an achievement.

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and on injuries, there is a big question on how Nadal will start off the season at the
Australian open? If he is fit he will be a contender for the title for sure.

We will also see a mighty race to claim Grand Slam titles by both Rafa and Novak in
2023? Only 1 separates them, Rafa on 22 and Novak on 21. Hopefully if Rafa is fit
the competition will be intense.

If Rafael Nadal can stay fit, it is going to be good competition for him in my opinion. We should not forget that he is quite old right now, and it is going to be hard for him to compete against younger opponents.

If there has to be a comparison made between Rafael Nadal, and Novak Djokovic, I will always keep Novak Djokovic ahead in this comparison. Nadal is just too old, and even if he is 100% fit, it is hard to imagine him winning the title, at least that’s my opinion.

It is true, Nadal is too old to keep himself fit against the young players who are making unexpected results on matches. More young players have emerged. For now even with the players of his age he wasn't the strongest as mentioned. Once the play goes down automatically the physical fitness too goes down. This is what happened with Nadal and it is true Djokovic is strong against Nadal.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 19, 2022, 02:18:13 AM

and on injuries, there is a big question on how Nadal will start off the season at the
Australian open? If he is fit he will be a contender for the title for sure.

We will also see a mighty race to claim Grand Slam titles by both Rafa and Novak in
2023? Only 1 separates them, Rafa on 22 and Novak on 21. Hopefully if Rafa is fit
the competition will be intense.

If Rafael Nadal can stay fit, it is going to be good competition for him in my opinion. We should not forget that he is quite old right now, and it is going to be hard for him to compete against younger opponents.

If there has to be a comparison made between Rafael Nadal, and Novak Djokovic, I will always keep Novak Djokovic ahead in this comparison. Nadal is just too old, and even if he is 100% fit, it is hard to imagine him winning the title, at least that’s my opinion.

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Quote from: sempak on December 16, 2022, 03:12:24 PM

I am not easily concerned about Djokovic's health. And corona now also seems to have largely disappeared from the face of the earth. This means that we no longer have to work with certain vaccinations. That would be very beneficial for Djokovic, as I don't think he will be vaccinated again. So if Corona comes back, we can be pretty sure that Djokovic will be banned from certain tournaments again. Own choice and own responsibility of course. But he has an exemplary role and has made quite a mess.

Discussions are ancient and no longer relevant to the current situation and everyone has the right to make their own choices and he has accepted all the consequences of his choice not to get vaccinated and maybe you will never find a player who can recover quickly with all the chaos that happened at the beginning of the year in Australia but he proved that no matter how hard it is he will get up and achieve everything he dreams of, and for this one young players should emulate his strong determination.

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and on injuries, there is a big question on how Nadal will start off the season at the
Australian open? If he is fit he will be a contender for the title for sure.

We will also see a mighty race to claim Grand Slam titles by both Rafa and Novak in
2023? Only 1 separates them, Rafa on 22 and Novak on 21. Hopefully if Rafa is fit
the competition will be intense.

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Quote from: sempak on December 16, 2022, 03:12:24 PM

I am not easily concerned about Djokovic's health. And corona now also seems to have largely disappeared from the face of the earth. This means that we no longer have to work with certain vaccinations. That would be very beneficial for Djokovic, as I don't think he will be vaccinated again. So if Corona comes back, we can be pretty sure that Djokovic will be banned from certain tournaments again. Own choice and own responsibility of course. But he has an exemplary role and has made quite a mess.

Anymore there is no need to think of covid-19. It once affected the world and during the same entire world suffered in all means. The economy that crashed during the time period haven't experienced the recovery. Djokovic without vaccination turned to be a big problem and kept him away from various tournament. Such situation won't happen, but the age factor will cause easy injuries than the young ones.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 15, 2022, 02:13:26 AM

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It's too soon to be talking about 2024, all of the 2023 season still has to be played and
anything can happen in 12 months.

Our top picks for 2023 could pick up an injury and be out for 6 months and then factor in the
journey back to being fit, particularly in the case of Djokovic who has been fairly injury free but
at this stage is not the youngest competitor.

talking about 2024 would be absurd given that we haven't even started 2023 and each season always has many surprises, especially in this matter of games vs injuries of athletes vs arrival of new talents, it is much more difficult to predict what could happen in a season that hasn't even started yet , imagine predicting something that would only happen in 2 years? this is an impossible task. I think we just have to make predictions or analyzes of something that has started or is very close to starting, in the case of sports there is always a good analysis when the season is close to starting, a lot of news starts to appear when the season is close to starting

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