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Quote from: Joca97 on August 27, 2022, 03:25:18 PM

Quote from: Ratash on August 27, 2022, 08:14:01 AM

Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

Djere played an amazing tournament and if im not mistaken this is his first final on hard court. He maybe tired from all the 3 sets matches that he played. But i think he can still win this tournament or at least a set against Mannarino. Mannarino isnt anything special that cannot be overcomed

Hot favorite Mannarino win this final even lost his service in first set but fight back and then won first set in tiebreaker which was good for him, he completely outclasses Djere by score of 7 - 1 and after winning first set he never allows him to give any resistance in second set which he won by score of 6 - 4.

Djere also done good job but fail to keep momentum and lost final in good way on hard court, both players have good record but Mannarino was good enough to not allow his opponent for any challenge.

Now, we are heading for US Open which is going to start on 29 August with Djokovic is not allowed due to Covid-19 restrictions.

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Quote from: Ratash on August 27, 2022, 08:14:01 AM

Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

Djere played an amazing tournament and if im not mistaken this is his first final on hard court. He maybe tired from all the 3 sets matches that he played. But i think he can still win this tournament or at least a set against Mannarino. Mannarino isnt anything special that cannot be overcomed

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Quote from: Daniel91 on August 27, 2022, 08:09:07 AM

I think that Medvedev is very talented and a good tennis player, but mentally he is still not at the level of Djokovic and Nadal.
The same goes for Kyrgios. Amazing tennis talent but he ruined because of his character and insufficient dedication to tennis.
Since Djokovic is not there, the clear favorite is Nadal again and he now has the opportunity to separate himself from Djokovic and Federer on the eternal list of GS winners and become unattainable to everyone, the greatest tennis player of all time.
As for other young tennis hopefuls, it seems to me that Coric could surprise at this tournament and achieve a good result.

I agree with your point as I am also feeling Medvedev is one of the best player in current generation players, and he can improve in next few years with good experience and no doubt he could be stayed at top for long time like we have three giants in last two decades Kyrgios is also one of the best but due to his behavior we can't go with him for staying at op as he is having some mental issue and need to settle this before having any better results at top level.

Medvedev is surely going to be tough for Nadal which is clearly favorite in this event after Djokovic is not coming due to health issues and Federer is also now out of game for quite long time so good time for him to do his best.

Coric could be a surprise package as he won last event and have good form but still he is unpredictable, hopefully he will improve his game and try to stay here as long as he can.

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Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

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Quote from: Joca97 on August 26, 2022, 04:40:04 PM

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Quote from: casperBGD on August 25, 2022, 02:11:43 PM

nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

I dont think that Medvedev will win the US Open even with him being the main favorite. He isnt on that level as he used to be so i think he will be knocked out by the quarter finals. Kyrgios for me might surprise if he wants to play and not joke around

I think that Medvedev is very talented and a good tennis player, but mentally he is still not at the level of Djokovic and Nadal.
The same goes for Kyrgios. Amazing tennis talent but he ruined because of his character and insufficient dedication to tennis.
Since Djokovic is not there, the clear favorite is Nadal again and he now has the opportunity to separate himself from Djokovic and Federer on the eternal list of GS winners and become unattainable to everyone, the greatest tennis player of all time.
As for other young tennis hopefuls, it seems to me that Coric could surprise at this tournament and achieve a good result.

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Quote from: Joca97 on August 26, 2022, 04:40:04 PM

Quote from: Strongkored on August 25, 2022, 11:06:44 PM

Quote from: casperBGD on August 25, 2022, 02:11:43 PM

nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

I dont think that Medvedev will win the US Open even with him being the main favorite. He isnt on that level as he used to be so i think he will be knocked out by the quarter finals. Kyrgios for me might surprise if he wants to play and not joke around

Nadal and Medvedev were considered the favourites in the absence of Djokovic for this season of US Open. Apart from these two, more players were considered to be rising. In such calculation we can have Kyrgios on the list. For now my choice is Nadal. Lets wait for the final outcome. In between according to the situation choices can vary.

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Quote from: Strongkored on August 25, 2022, 11:06:44 PM

Quote from: casperBGD on August 25, 2022, 02:11:43 PM

nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

I dont think that Medvedev will win the US Open even with him being the main favorite. He isnt on that level as he used to be so i think he will be knocked out by the quarter finals. Kyrgios for me might surprise if he wants to play and not joke around

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Quote from: aoluain on August 26, 2022, 04:01:42 PM

^
Yes I think so too. Maybe the top 6 players could eventually be quite close and
players performing better on one surface more than others, it will just remain to be seen.

In terms of a sport being dominated by a very minority group of players I can give
the example in my own case of Forumla 1 and Michael Schumacher, it was great at
the start but a few seasons in and he is winning everything I switched off
and lost interest, there was no competition.

You can't really compare F1 with tennis. That Schumacher titles were influenced big time by the best car he drove and team strategy where he was first driver. Tennis is just about player himself and that is why mental component is so important, you are alone on the pitch and have nobody to cover for you if you have bad day. That is where Djoković and Nadal made their success, they are just so consistent and will find ways to win even when it isn't their best day.

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^
Yes I think so too. Maybe the top 6 players could eventually be quite close and
players performing better on one surface more than others, it will just remain to be seen.

In terms of a sport being dominated by a very minority group of players I can give
the example in my own case of Forumla 1 and Michael Schumacher, it was great at
the start but a few seasons in and he is winning everything I switched off
and lost interest, there was no competition.

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Quote from: aoluain on August 24, 2022, 05:17:32 PM

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Quote from: shogun47 on August 23, 2022, 03:36:33 AM

In a couple of years the time of Djokovic and Nadal will also be over. I think the tennis world will be quite different by then and less people will be watching it.

I personally started watching tennis quite a lot exactly because of players like Federer. But that's how it is in sports. Messi and Ronaldo are soon gone. Schumacher was once gone in Formula 1 and Hamilton will also soon be gone. Hopefully those gaps will be filled with new superstars.

That is the normal course of time. Good well-known tennis players leave and new ones come who are also good at some point and will be remembered. And every nation has its tennisstar at some point. I still remember the time of Boris Becker and Steffi Graf. Before them tennis was less well-known on German TV. But Boris Becker's victory in Wimbledon changed a lot of and tennis was on TV much more often until the nineties.

Of course, but there are still players that go down in history forever. The probability is not very high that we will soon see a player who takes home 25 Grand Slam titles or even more. It Is not impossible, never, but is it likely? No. Look at Serena Williams, everyone was sure she is going to be the one and only record holder in GS titles and then her performances crashed. It is really, really hard to break those existing records and Nadal and Djokovic aren't done yet.

Nadal is a great example in this regard. Let me ask you: do you really think that it will ever be possible for someone to beat Nadal's French Open record? I mean, I myself just said never say never and nothing is impossible, but I must confess I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that someone is going to win the French Open 15 times (assuming that Nadal wins no more FO titles). That is just not humanly possible anymore (at least it seems impossible Cheesy

).

I actually like the idea of titles being spread out between many brilliant players rather
than the sport being dominated by a handful of players including both mens and womens.
Of course its not great from a betting perspective, it would be harder to pick winners. I'm
not sure though that the game would suffer from it??

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^^ Yeah, it's too bad for Nick that his big mouth will bring him trouble with the fans. And he chooses the wrong fan to accused of as she is a lawyer. But I don't know, maybe Nick will not change his style despite someone suing him for attacking her verbally as a fan. Perhaps the organization will have to step up as well, but then again, what can they do to Nick that they haven't imposed before? ban him for playing?

I'm thinking though that this could be settled out of court. But let's see.

I would say that whether or not Nick changes something fully depends on the outcome of this potential lawsuit. If it costs him like 10k or 20k USD, he probably doesn't care.
But if this turns out to be a serious punch in the face financially, I think he might change for the better because he HAS to! Otherwise he would be punished even harder for being a repeat offender.

Nah, I don't think that Nick will change for the better, maybe he can control his temper from time to time. However, his comment was about Anna Palus could be heard and maybe she felt ashamed. But then again, Nick is somewhat assaulting verbally in the crowd, even his coach and girlfriend.

So I doubt that she will just pursue that kind of money, she is a laywer after all and could really drag Nick in this case and there could be courtroom drama.

No I dont think so either, he really does need to tone down the verbal abuse though,
its just ugly.

Well, in tennis we could say that at least there was some competition among the top three Federer, Djokovic and Nadal even though that doesn't apply to the French Open specifically.

That fight between the three made tennis quite popular all around the world. But it shows that competition is so vital for any sport in order to be perceived as attractive by the public. If a sport is brutally dominated by just one player or team for too long, people get used to it and start following less (might not apply to the hardcore fans of course).

I believe that once the three retire, we will see a much more evenly competitive field afterwards.

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Quote from: Jating on August 24, 2022, 04:00:09 PM

Nah, I don't think that Nick will change for the better, maybe he can control his temper from time to time. However, his comment was about Anna Palus could be heard and maybe she felt ashamed. But then again, Nick is somewhat assaulting verbally in the crowd, even his coach and girlfriend.

So I doubt that she will just pursue that kind of money, she is a laywer after all and could really drag Nick in this case and there could be courtroom drama.

Sorry to say, but she is just looking for attention in my eyes. Come on, it was not such a big insult also and everybody knows Kyrgios has a big mouth. I don't get it that he would get sued for these kind of comments. There has been a lot worse comments made in the past...

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Quote from: casperBGD on August 25, 2022, 02:11:43 PM

nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

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I find it unimaginable that Djokovic continues to act so stubborn. And a lot of people also express support for Djokovic, which is the pinnacle. Just get vaccinated, you are a top athlete and in a sense you also just have an exemplary function. And if you don't want to be vaccinated, don't whine about not being allowed to participate in tournaments. Djokovic has become a spoiled and arrogant player who thinks he is above the law because he is the best tennis player in the world. Covid will never go away, so he can never play this tournament again with the US open. It's just what you want.

He's quite strong in his act. What I say is against law, but in my country more people had the fear and they didn't get vaccinated. Majority were with other illness which made them not to get vaccinated, but the government kept advising to vaccinate and these people opted to get certification without vaccination. Atleast Djokovic could've done that, and I don't know whether it is possible in his country.

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I find it unimaginable that Djokovic continues to act so stubborn. And a lot of people also express support for Djokovic, which is the pinnacle. Just get vaccinated, you are a top athlete and in a sense you also just have an exemplary function. And if you don't want to be vaccinated, don't whine about not being allowed to participate in tournaments. Djokovic has become a spoiled and arrogant player who thinks he is above the law because he is the best tennis player in the world. Covid will never go away, so he can never play this tournament again with the US open. It's just what you want.

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Quote from: Strongkored on August 25, 2022, 11:06:34 AM

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not a good news for his fans, but this was to be expected and shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

it is ironic that the news is that he actually withdrawn from the tournament, and basically cannot enter the country
not that I support his decision to not get vaccinated, and domestic rules should be respected, but the news could be that he is not allowed to play because he is not vaccinated, not that he withdrawn from tournament

nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

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Quote from: bct_ail on August 25, 2022, 03:33:50 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on August 23, 2022, 07:21:38 PM

Anyone read this news?

Nick Kyrgios to be sued by Wimbledon tennis fan after '700 drinks' comment

Probably the "lady" just wants to become famous. Roll Eyes

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Angelique Kerber will not play at the US Open. The reason is that she is having a baby. The next tournament she wants to play are the Olympics in 2024 . I really hope she can manage the difficult balancing act between baby and sport. It will not be easy. The last German to do so is Tatjana Maria. She got her second child in April 2021 and reached the semifinal in Wimbledon this year.

Agree about this Lady wants to become famous. And Nick gives him a good opportunity for cashing out of this because he is famous in this field and done many things before this successfully as well.

Right now we have another sad news now officially announced Djokovic is not going to participate in US Open and also going to lose his 1200 points.
https://www.marca.com/en/tennis/us-open/2022/08/25/63079063e2704eb3358b459c.html

Now he is going to play Davis Cup for Serbia and their first match is against Spain.

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Quote from: Trofo on August 25, 2022, 01:42:34 AM

Tennis is way to protective for both players and supporters. Players stop playing when somebody stands from their seats or if mobile phone rings, you can't even talk during points and if supporter was yelling something during serve he immediately gets removed from crowd. I mean grow a thouger skin, just imagine some footballer standing at corner kick and not taking it while there is someone talking in the stadium. Hell he usually takes it quickly before objects start flying towards his head and you learn to enjoy insults from opponent supporters, they are picking on you because you are good.

On the other hand you have Osaka, grown woman that breaks apart when somebody yelled you suck. How protected childhood you must have to never encounter such language. My six years old doughter gets juicier insults from her peers and any youth playing some sport professionally hears much more thrown his way.

I don't like Kyrgios much but he is a bit of fresh air in oterwise very stale sport. Who wants to hear Nadal praising his opponent for good game after he destroyed him 6:1 6:1. Just seems a bit phony to me.

I agree with a lot of what you say Trofo.
Kyrgios though cant be commentating on spectators the way he does. I dont mind the
giving out but getting personal is another thing.

Please lets not hope that tennis ends up the same as soccer, there is so much toxicity
both on the pitch and in the stands, nobody should have to deal with that.

As regards Osaka, its a tough one, Its very rare for someone to shout out abuse
like that, there was more to that I recon. And yea she and most players lead protected
youths that they probably cannot deal with some personal heckling. That person was still
in the wrong, its needless.

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Djokovics officially announced that he will not be taking part in the 2022 US Open via his social media accounts,
https://mobile.twitter.com/DjokerNole/status/1562806952136085504
not a good news for his fans, but this was to be expected and shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

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Quote from: Kemarit on August 23, 2022, 07:21:38 PM

Anyone read this news?

Nick Kyrgios to be sued by Wimbledon tennis fan after '700 drinks' comment

Probably the "lady" just wants to become famous. Roll Eyes

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Angelique Kerber will not play at the US Open. The reason is that she is having a baby. The next tournament she wants to play are the Olympics in 2024 . I really hope she can manage the difficult balancing act between baby and sport. It will not be easy. The last German to do so is Tatjana Maria. She got her second child in April 2021 and reached the semifinal in Wimbledon this year.

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Tennis is way to protective for both players and supporters. Players stop playing when somebody stands from their seats or if mobile phone rings, you can't even talk during points and if supporter was yelling something during serve he immediately gets removed from crowd. I mean grow a thouger skin, just imagine some footballer standing at corner kick and not taking it while there is someone talking in the stadium. Hell he usually takes it quickly before objects start flying towards his head and you learn to enjoy insults from opponent supporters, they are picking on you because you are good.

On the other hand you have Osaka, grown woman that breaks apart when somebody yelled you suck. How protected childhood you must have to never encounter such language. My six years old doughter gets juicier insults from her peers and any youth playing some sport professionally hears much more thrown his way.

I don't like Kyrgios much but he is a bit of fresh air in oterwise very stale sport. Who wants to hear Nadal praising his opponent for good game after he destroyed him 6:1 6:1. Just seems a bit phony to me.

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