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Quote from: Trofo on August 28, 2022, 04:30:49 PM

Don't even know who Hijkata is but I am betting against Nadal first time he has serious opponent against him. Maybe not ML but some crazy handicap like +10.5 for sure.

From those players you mentioned above I can see only Medvedev and Alcaraz fighting it for the title. Tsitisipas can get far but will loose against any of the top players while I think Nadal is far from his best form, but if gets to final stages he is always dangerous. Ruud is not even worth mentioning, he has no chance for titles at top tournaments if it isn't played on clay.

Even if Nadal is far from his top form, he is always dangerous and I don't really like to bet against him. I can agree with Tsitsipas that he will far short but I am really curious to see how Kyrgios will do. Can be contender for the title if he really puts his mind to it.

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Quote from: Slow death on August 28, 2022, 03:34:25 PM

- Carlos Alcaraz
- Daniel Medvedev
- Rafael Nadal
- Casper Ruud
- Stefanos Tsitsipas

who will be the best?

is even comical when you see the odds of a game between these favorites and other opponents. for example

Hijikata, Rinky - Nadal, Rafael

Hijikata = @11

Nothing = @1.01

I wonder who has the courage to bet on Hijikata? Grin

Don't even know who Hijkata is but I am betting against Nadal first time he has serious opponent against him. Maybe not ML but some crazy handicap like +10.5 for sure.

From those players you mentioned above I can see only Medvedev and Alcaraz fighting it for the title. Tsitisipas can get far but will loose against any of the top players while I think Nadal is far from his best form, but if gets to final stages he is always dangerous. Ruud is not even worth mentioning, he has no chance for titles at top tournaments if it isn't played on clay.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 28, 2022, 06:31:16 AM

Djokovic not being able to play in the US Open is obviously going to be a bummer. As he is one of the best in the world and also very fun to watch.

he can be very talented, but if he can't respect the laws of the countries mainly on this issue related to the pandemic vs vaccine then I think he should think about giving up being some athlete, because it's not possible that the guy is not aware that needs to be vaccinated or this problem will not end so soon, covid will not end so soon, so vaccine will also be needed for many years, so what does he intend? that governments have amnesia and forget about being vaccinated? won't do that!

- Carlos Alcaraz
- Daniel Medvedev
- Rafael Nadal
- Casper Ruud
- Stefanos Tsitsipas

who will be the best?

is even comical when you see the odds of a game between these favorites and other opponents. for example

Hijikata, Rinky - Nadal, Rafael

Hijikata = @11

Nothing = @1.01

I wonder who has the courage to bet on Hijikata? Grin

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I would say that whether or not Nick changes something fully depends on the outcome of this potential lawsuit. If it costs him like 10k or 20k USD, he probably doesn't care.
But if this turns out to be a serious punch in the face financially, I think he might change for the better because he HAS to! Otherwise he would be punished even harder for being a repeat offender.

Nichts problem, I believe, is that he thinks it is somehow popular and the people like to see him freaking out. Or he really has mental issues. Otherwise he is just throwing away a world class career for the wrong reasons. It was fun to watch him rant a couple of times, but by now it's boring to me. It's just so predictable and he freaks out all the time. It is not really entertaining to watch him.

I am also watching him for many years and mostly my feeling about him is he has really mental issues and just because of this mostly he has done things which we never expect from him now things could be changed for him because this case is surely going to have some impact on his form in US Open and if they will give him some serious punishment this can hurt him more but as we all know mostly these type cases settled out of court, so maybe we will have in this case as well because he can't afford things like this as his form is also good in last few weeks and doing much better than expectations.

Any big financial punch could be also can give him some better view about his future because he needs punishment like this for change of mentality in long run if he wants to play tennis for some more years.

A tennis player of his quality should have earned more than the roughly 12 million USD. He is going to play for the tenth year in professional tennis. When you have his talent and would manage to stay much stronger mentally, he would have earned a lot more than that by now. Zverev is quite similar to Kyrgios but he already earned 32.5 million USD. They both had their first professional season in 2013 and I think regarding their talent you could say that they are close to each other.

In head to head Kyrgios is even leading against Zverev, and yet he is so far behind in individual achievements on the tennis court.

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Quote from: Ratash on August 27, 2022, 08:14:01 AM

Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

Djere played an amazing tournament and if im not mistaken this is his first final on hard court. He maybe tired from all the 3 sets matches that he played. But i think he can still win this tournament or at least a set against Mannarino. Mannarino isnt anything special that cannot be overcomed

Hot favorite Mannarino win this final even lost his service in first set but fight back and then won first set in tiebreaker which was good for him, he completely outclasses Djere by score of 7 - 1 and after winning first set he never allows him to give any resistance in second set which he won by score of 6 - 4.
Djere also done good job but fail to keep momentum and lost final in good way on hard court, both players have good record but Mannarino was good enough to not allow his opponent for any challenge.
Now, we are heading for US Open which is going to start on 29 August with Djokovic is not allowed due to Covid-19 restrictions.

I have to admit that Đjere started well in that match, but the defense of the Frenchman Mannarino was just unbelievable, making that win possible. It seemed at first that Đjere had a very high chance of coming out on top of that match, and it looked as though he had an excellent chance of doing so. But in the end, it really felt like Mannarino was outclassing his opponent. The defense of Mannarino was rock-solid. It felt as if he is baited his opponent in order to make mistakes.

Djokovic not being able to play in the US Open is obviously going to be a bummer. As he is one of the best in the world and also very fun to watch.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on August 27, 2022, 08:09:07 AM

I think that Medvedev is very talented and a good tennis player, but mentally he is still not at the level of Djokovic and Nadal.
The same goes for Kyrgios. Amazing tennis talent but he ruined because of his character and insufficient dedication to tennis.
Since Djokovic is not there, the clear favorite is Nadal again and he now has the opportunity to separate himself from Djokovic and Federer on the eternal list of GS winners and become unattainable to everyone, the greatest tennis player of all time.
As for other young tennis hopefuls, it seems to me that Coric could surprise at this tournament and achieve a good result.

I agree with your point as I am also feeling Medvedev is one of the best player in current generation players, and he can improve in next few years with good experience and no doubt he could be stayed at top for long time like we have three giants in last two decades Kyrgios is also one of the best but due to his behavior we can't go with him for staying at op as he is having some mental issue and need to settle this before having any better results at top level.

Medvedev is surely going to be tough for Nadal which is clearly favorite in this event after Djokovic is not coming due to health issues and Federer is also now out of game for quite long time so good time for him to do his best.

Coric could be a surprise package as he won last event and have good form but still he is unpredictable, hopefully he will improve his game and try to stay here as long as he can.

We also have Alcaraz in the back ground and really improving every tournament and then also Sinner should be also in the discussion in the US Open.

So there are a lot of names specially that this is a Grand Slam and everyone are going to put their best effort to go to the finals and give themselves a chance to win because Djokovic is not entered.

So it's Medvedev, Nadal, Alcaraz, "crowd favorite" Nick, Tsitsi and then Jannik Sinner as early favorites.

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Quote from: Joca97 on August 27, 2022, 03:25:18 PM

Quote from: Ratash on August 27, 2022, 08:14:01 AM

Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

Djere played an amazing tournament and if im not mistaken this is his first final on hard court. He maybe tired from all the 3 sets matches that he played. But i think he can still win this tournament or at least a set against Mannarino. Mannarino isnt anything special that cannot be overcomed

Hot favorite Mannarino win this final even lost his service in first set but fight back and then won first set in tiebreaker which was good for him, he completely outclasses Djere by score of 7 - 1 and after winning first set he never allows him to give any resistance in second set which he won by score of 6 - 4.

Djere also done good job but fail to keep momentum and lost final in good way on hard court, both players have good record but Mannarino was good enough to not allow his opponent for any challenge.

Now, we are heading for US Open which is going to start on 29 August with Djokovic is not allowed due to Covid-19 restrictions.

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Quote from: Ratash on August 27, 2022, 08:14:01 AM

Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

Djere played an amazing tournament and if im not mistaken this is his first final on hard court. He maybe tired from all the 3 sets matches that he played. But i think he can still win this tournament or at least a set against Mannarino. Mannarino isnt anything special that cannot be overcomed

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Quote from: Daniel91 on August 27, 2022, 08:09:07 AM

I think that Medvedev is very talented and a good tennis player, but mentally he is still not at the level of Djokovic and Nadal.
The same goes for Kyrgios. Amazing tennis talent but he ruined because of his character and insufficient dedication to tennis.
Since Djokovic is not there, the clear favorite is Nadal again and he now has the opportunity to separate himself from Djokovic and Federer on the eternal list of GS winners and become unattainable to everyone, the greatest tennis player of all time.
As for other young tennis hopefuls, it seems to me that Coric could surprise at this tournament and achieve a good result.

I agree with your point as I am also feeling Medvedev is one of the best player in current generation players, and he can improve in next few years with good experience and no doubt he could be stayed at top for long time like we have three giants in last two decades Kyrgios is also one of the best but due to his behavior we can't go with him for staying at op as he is having some mental issue and need to settle this before having any better results at top level.

Medvedev is surely going to be tough for Nadal which is clearly favorite in this event after Djokovic is not coming due to health issues and Federer is also now out of game for quite long time so good time for him to do his best.

Coric could be a surprise package as he won last event and have good form but still he is unpredictable, hopefully he will improve his game and try to stay here as long as he can.

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Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

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nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

I dont think that Medvedev will win the US Open even with him being the main favorite. He isnt on that level as he used to be so i think he will be knocked out by the quarter finals. Kyrgios for me might surprise if he wants to play and not joke around

I think that Medvedev is very talented and a good tennis player, but mentally he is still not at the level of Djokovic and Nadal.
The same goes for Kyrgios. Amazing tennis talent but he ruined because of his character and insufficient dedication to tennis.
Since Djokovic is not there, the clear favorite is Nadal again and he now has the opportunity to separate himself from Djokovic and Federer on the eternal list of GS winners and become unattainable to everyone, the greatest tennis player of all time.
As for other young tennis hopefuls, it seems to me that Coric could surprise at this tournament and achieve a good result.

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Quote from: Joca97 on August 26, 2022, 04:40:04 PM

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nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

I dont think that Medvedev will win the US Open even with him being the main favorite. He isnt on that level as he used to be so i think he will be knocked out by the quarter finals. Kyrgios for me might surprise if he wants to play and not joke around

Nadal and Medvedev were considered the favourites in the absence of Djokovic for this season of US Open. Apart from these two, more players were considered to be rising. In such calculation we can have Kyrgios on the list. For now my choice is Nadal. Lets wait for the final outcome. In between according to the situation choices can vary.

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nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

I dont think that Medvedev will win the US Open even with him being the main favorite. He isnt on that level as he used to be so i think he will be knocked out by the quarter finals. Kyrgios for me might surprise if he wants to play and not joke around

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Quote from: aoluain on August 26, 2022, 04:01:42 PM

^
Yes I think so too. Maybe the top 6 players could eventually be quite close and
players performing better on one surface more than others, it will just remain to be seen.

In terms of a sport being dominated by a very minority group of players I can give
the example in my own case of Forumla 1 and Michael Schumacher, it was great at
the start but a few seasons in and he is winning everything I switched off
and lost interest, there was no competition.

You can't really compare F1 with tennis. That Schumacher titles were influenced big time by the best car he drove and team strategy where he was first driver. Tennis is just about player himself and that is why mental component is so important, you are alone on the pitch and have nobody to cover for you if you have bad day. That is where Djoković and Nadal made their success, they are just so consistent and will find ways to win even when it isn't their best day.

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^
Yes I think so too. Maybe the top 6 players could eventually be quite close and
players performing better on one surface more than others, it will just remain to be seen.

In terms of a sport being dominated by a very minority group of players I can give
the example in my own case of Forumla 1 and Michael Schumacher, it was great at
the start but a few seasons in and he is winning everything I switched off
and lost interest, there was no competition.

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In a couple of years the time of Djokovic and Nadal will also be over. I think the tennis world will be quite different by then and less people will be watching it.

I personally started watching tennis quite a lot exactly because of players like Federer. But that's how it is in sports. Messi and Ronaldo are soon gone. Schumacher was once gone in Formula 1 and Hamilton will also soon be gone. Hopefully those gaps will be filled with new superstars.

That is the normal course of time. Good well-known tennis players leave and new ones come who are also good at some point and will be remembered. And every nation has its tennisstar at some point. I still remember the time of Boris Becker and Steffi Graf. Before them tennis was less well-known on German TV. But Boris Becker's victory in Wimbledon changed a lot of and tennis was on TV much more often until the nineties.

Of course, but there are still players that go down in history forever. The probability is not very high that we will soon see a player who takes home 25 Grand Slam titles or even more. It Is not impossible, never, but is it likely? No. Look at Serena Williams, everyone was sure she is going to be the one and only record holder in GS titles and then her performances crashed. It is really, really hard to break those existing records and Nadal and Djokovic aren't done yet.

Nadal is a great example in this regard. Let me ask you: do you really think that it will ever be possible for someone to beat Nadal's French Open record? I mean, I myself just said never say never and nothing is impossible, but I must confess I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that someone is going to win the French Open 15 times (assuming that Nadal wins no more FO titles). That is just not humanly possible anymore (at least it seems impossible Cheesy

).

I actually like the idea of titles being spread out between many brilliant players rather
than the sport being dominated by a handful of players including both mens and womens.
Of course its not great from a betting perspective, it would be harder to pick winners. I'm
not sure though that the game would suffer from it??

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^^ Yeah, it's too bad for Nick that his big mouth will bring him trouble with the fans. And he chooses the wrong fan to accused of as she is a lawyer. But I don't know, maybe Nick will not change his style despite someone suing him for attacking her verbally as a fan. Perhaps the organization will have to step up as well, but then again, what can they do to Nick that they haven't imposed before? ban him for playing?

I'm thinking though that this could be settled out of court. But let's see.

I would say that whether or not Nick changes something fully depends on the outcome of this potential lawsuit. If it costs him like 10k or 20k USD, he probably doesn't care.
But if this turns out to be a serious punch in the face financially, I think he might change for the better because he HAS to! Otherwise he would be punished even harder for being a repeat offender.

Nah, I don't think that Nick will change for the better, maybe he can control his temper from time to time. However, his comment was about Anna Palus could be heard and maybe she felt ashamed. But then again, Nick is somewhat assaulting verbally in the crowd, even his coach and girlfriend.

So I doubt that she will just pursue that kind of money, she is a laywer after all and could really drag Nick in this case and there could be courtroom drama.

No I dont think so either, he really does need to tone down the verbal abuse though,
its just ugly.

Well, in tennis we could say that at least there was some competition among the top three Federer, Djokovic and Nadal even though that doesn't apply to the French Open specifically.

That fight between the three made tennis quite popular all around the world. But it shows that competition is so vital for any sport in order to be perceived as attractive by the public. If a sport is brutally dominated by just one player or team for too long, people get used to it and start following less (might not apply to the hardcore fans of course).

I believe that once the three retire, we will see a much more evenly competitive field afterwards.

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Quote from: Jating on August 24, 2022, 04:00:09 PM

Nah, I don't think that Nick will change for the better, maybe he can control his temper from time to time. However, his comment was about Anna Palus could be heard and maybe she felt ashamed. But then again, Nick is somewhat assaulting verbally in the crowd, even his coach and girlfriend.

So I doubt that she will just pursue that kind of money, she is a laywer after all and could really drag Nick in this case and there could be courtroom drama.

Sorry to say, but she is just looking for attention in my eyes. Come on, it was not such a big insult also and everybody knows Kyrgios has a big mouth. I don't get it that he would get sued for these kind of comments. There has been a lot worse comments made in the past...

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Quote from: casperBGD on August 25, 2022, 02:11:43 PM

nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on August 25, 2022, 02:24:11 PM

I find it unimaginable that Djokovic continues to act so stubborn. And a lot of people also express support for Djokovic, which is the pinnacle. Just get vaccinated, you are a top athlete and in a sense you also just have an exemplary function. And if you don't want to be vaccinated, don't whine about not being allowed to participate in tournaments. Djokovic has become a spoiled and arrogant player who thinks he is above the law because he is the best tennis player in the world. Covid will never go away, so he can never play this tournament again with the US open. It's just what you want.

He's quite strong in his act. What I say is against law, but in my country more people had the fear and they didn't get vaccinated. Majority were with other illness which made them not to get vaccinated, but the government kept advising to vaccinate and these people opted to get certification without vaccination. Atleast Djokovic could've done that, and I don't know whether it is possible in his country.

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I find it unimaginable that Djokovic continues to act so stubborn. And a lot of people also express support for Djokovic, which is the pinnacle. Just get vaccinated, you are a top athlete and in a sense you also just have an exemplary function. And if you don't want to be vaccinated, don't whine about not being allowed to participate in tournaments. Djokovic has become a spoiled and arrogant player who thinks he is above the law because he is the best tennis player in the world. Covid will never go away, so he can never play this tournament again with the US open. It's just what you want.

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