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Quote from: bitbollo on May 26, 2022, 12:36:33 PM

Live Right Now there is an interesting match between Sinner vs Carballes Baena.
First Set was win by the Spanish, but in the second set Sinner has made a break point just now (3-2 current score).
Odds are not the best (I have seen @1.30 in stake.com) but it's always interesting for this match...

Medvedev won 3:0 against Djere, and showing best tennis so far, but Rublev and Tsitsipas should be favorites against him in eventual matches

Tsitsipas though has to eventually make another huge comeback, Kolar can't convert a for set points in the fourth set to force a fifth and eventually Tsitsipas won the tie break.

Yeah, Medvedev is really playing very well in clay, Nadal and Djokovic will have their match later, and I don't expect anything funny going to happen against them.

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Medvedev also made a nice against a really good player on clay Laslo Djere. I think the advantage of Medvedev was that Djere had a leg injury as far as i seen. Medvedev playing much better on clay then usual. How far can he go that is the real question

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Quote from: bitbollo on May 26, 2022, 12:36:33 PM

Live Right Now there is an interesting match between Sinner vs Carballes Baena.
First Set was win by the Spanish, but in the second set Sinner has made a break point just now (3-2 current score).
Odds are not the best (I have seen @1.30 in stake.com) but it's always interesting for this match...

Sinner is now on 2:1, but Baena has break in fourth set, we could expect fifth in this setup
Tsitsipas is also losing one set, and leading 2:1, Rublev won 3:1 against Delbonis, will be interesting to see who will reach final from this part

Medvedev won 3:0 against Djere, and showing best tennis so far, but Rublev and Tsitsipas should be favorites against him in eventual matches

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Live Right Now there is an interesting match between Sinner vs Carballes Baena.
First Set was win by the Spanish, but in the second set Sinner has made a break point just now (3-2 current score).
Odds are not the best (I have seen @1.30 in stake.com) but it's always interesting for this match...

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 26, 2022, 07:44:45 AM

Quote from: cryptofrka on May 26, 2022, 03:06:30 AM

Yeah, Alcaraz was really living dangerously for quite some time. Still - he managed to win and will be equally dangerous going forward. He has Korda next, then probably Corrie.

I was surprised to see Alcaraz struggle. Compare this with how Nadal, Djokovic and Medvedev are breezing through their matches without being even slightly troubled.
If Alcaraz has Korda next, then that could be a really tough match against another rising star. I wouldn't be too surprised after the last match if Alcaraz gets knocked out earlier than we were all expecting.

I never thought he would have problems in this match, Ramos-Vinolas is a solid player but not a player who can seriously threaten the best out there. I was expecting a bit of wobble from Alcaraz since these are BO5 matches and he does not have much experience but I expected it against first dangerous player.

I am not betting on him for now. Just watching and waiting to see how he will look in next match.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 26, 2022, 07:44:45 AM

Quote from: cryptofrka on May 26, 2022, 03:06:30 AM

Yeah, Alcaraz was really living dangerously for quite some time. Still - he managed to win and will be equally dangerous going forward. He has Korda next, then probably Corrie.

I was surprised to see Alcaraz struggle. Compare this with how Nadal, Djokovic and Medvedev are breezing through their matches without being even slightly troubled.
If Alcaraz has Korda next, then that could be a really tough match against another rising star. I wouldn't be too surprised after the last match if Alcaraz gets knocked out earlier than we were all expecting.

Hopefully as he is still very young, his body can recover very fast after a hard fought 5 set match last night. So I think Alcaraz will still go and get past Korda here, but he doesn't want to have the same performance as the last time. If he can finished it in 3 set then good.

Odds ML, Alcaraz is 1.13 sa favorite.

In the women's side, there's a lot of upsets already.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on May 26, 2022, 03:06:30 AM

Yeah, Alcaraz was really living dangerously for quite some time. Still - he managed to win and will be equally dangerous going forward. He has Korda next, then probably Corrie.

I was surprised to see Alcaraz struggle. Compare this with how Nadal, Djokovic and Medvedev are breezing through their matches without being even slightly troubled.
If Alcaraz has Korda next, then that could be a really tough match against another rising star. I wouldn't be too surprised after the last match if Alcaraz gets knocked out earlier than we were all expecting.

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Quote from: aoluain on May 26, 2022, 03:07:08 AM

Yes I dont think anyone figured the Alcaraz match was going to be a 5 setter, judging
by the pre-match odds anyway. I only saw the last set and Alcaraz's odds were 1.15.

Yes, and if I'm not mistaken, the handicap is like -7.5 or higher for him. I didn't bet though, maybe later when I look at the odds and who is facing each other.

That was a great test for him, his press conference revealed that he is very
mentally strong and said he remained positive right up to the last point.

Quote from: aoluain on May 26, 2022, 03:07:08 AM

Zverev had a tough match while Nadal and Djokovich came through as expected.

Tricky one up next for both Korda and Alcaraz when they face each other

Same with Zverev, another come from behind win for him as well. It seems that he is tired on the 5th set and on the verge of losing. But he manages to survived and broke Baez.

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Yes I dont think anyone figured the Alcaraz match was going to be a 5 setter, judging
by the pre-match odds anyway. I only saw the last set and Alcaraz's odds were 1.15.

That was a great test for him, his press conference revealed that he is very
mentally strong and said he remained positive right up to the last point.

Zverev had a tough match while Nadal and Djokovich came through as expected.

Tricky one up next for both Korda and Alcaraz when they face each other

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Yeah, Alcaraz was really living dangerously for quite some time. Still - he managed to win and will be equally dangerous going forward. He has Korda next, then probably Corrie.

2 Croatians already got knocked out in the 2nd round (Čorić was especially disappointing once again - Dimitrov gave him 7 games in total) and our last representative Čilić is having a difficult game against Fucsovics today. I might even bet on Fucsovics, odds at around 3 look really tempting.

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What a great comeback by Alcaraz against compatriot Ramos-Vinolas. I thought it will be a breeze for him after winning the first set 6-1. But then Ramos-Vinolas, gets into the zone, and couple of Alcaraz missed drop shots, he was able to win the next two set. And then Alcaraz, save a match point in the fourth and win on the tie break. Then on the 5th, he was down 3-0 if I'm not mistaken with superb back hand pass and win the set 6-4.

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I am also curious what Botic van de Zandschulp will do against Nadal. assuming that Nadal will make it to the next round. The Zandschulp's was still 150 of the world around this time last year and is now top 30. Nadal is in a class of his own on clay, would he manage to win the French open again? Djokovic has little support from everyone I think because of his behavior lately.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 25, 2022, 03:42:33 AM

~snip
Too much politics has been in sports lately.

it is not lately, it was always the case, but it is a chicken and egg situation
while I do not support Wimbledon to ban Russian players (and Belorussian especially, for the matter), it is a fact that Medvedev rushed to see Putin after winning US Open, so not sure who mixed politics and sport first

I do understand when some heavy lifter, taekwondo champion or swimmer (where earned money from sport is small, especially in emerging countries) are depending on politicians for support, but Medvedev and other big stars do not need to rush to see politicians (and other sportsmen for the matter, as well) after big success, and they do that regularly, so mixing politics and sport first

it is always money all around, those that do not have it (taekwondo, for example) rush to politicians for financial support, while top stars rush to politicians to support their investments in the country they are living

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 25, 2022, 05:36:32 AM

Quote from: cryptofrka on May 25, 2022, 05:02:58 AM

They will all eventually play - they play for money first after all. Winning a Wimbledon will always carry extra meaning as well.

I am glad the players are complaining though, and I am glad that the ATP put some pressure on All England Club. I support the decision 100%, punishing individuals due to their nationality is a discriminatory act and should never be used as a 'balancing' mechanism.

@cryptofrka you’re wrong for this situation because you have conveniently ignored player’s emotions, and secondly why would player’s risk playing with zero points to earn when they can keep themselves fresh for other tournaments, hence I agree with the above posters that we’re going to witness an mediocre Wimbledon this year.

I think it will be a mixture. I'm sure some will withdraw, and equally others will play. Some will be tired and carrying injuries, others will be returning from injury and wanting to play to get some match practice in, some will want the money, some will avoid it because no ranking points, some will still want to play just because it's Wimbledon, some will play just because they're in England anyway playing other tournaments such as Queen's that do have ranking points... it will be a mixture.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 25, 2022, 05:36:32 AM

@cryptofrka you’re wrong for this situation because you have conveniently ignored player’s emotions, and secondly why would player’s risk playing with zero points to earn when they can keep themselves fresh for other tournaments, hence I agree with the above posters that we’re going to witness an mediocre Wimbledon this year.

I did not ignore players emotions at all, I'm really not satisfied that it came down to this. Sports should be fully disconnected from politics.

I'm simply stating the opinion that although players aren't happy (and should not be happy) - that they will still find reasons to play and that there won't be any major withdrawals from the tournament.

What I hope will happen is that they will find common ground and allow all athletes to participate - meaning that ATP would lift their points ban as well.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 25, 2022, 03:42:33 AM

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 24, 2022, 08:22:55 AM

How many tennis players think this way and who else could cancel their participation in Wimbledon?
It seems that in the end, Wimbledon GS will be severely weakened and will almost turn into an exhibition tournament due to the decision of the organizers to ban the performance of Russian and Belarusian tennis players.
If Djokovic takes this opportunity and wins his new GS tournament, it seems that this eventual triumph of Djokovic at Wimbledon will always be overshadowed by doubt and controversy.
This is really not good news for all sincere tennis fans.
Because of playing Wimbledon without points, Djokovic will actually suffer great damage because he will be the biggest loser in this story.

Two wrongs do not make a right. No one should mix politics with sport. I don't support Wimbledon's decision at all and ATP as well. No one should ban anyone. This is just ATP is trying to put its foot down but they are hurting players who worked so hard for their points. Wimbledon will be a joke this year, most players are very likely not to turn-up as there is no incentive. Djokovic will now lose 2,000 points from last year. And it is not fair or democratic.

I agree with you.
More and more tennis players are talking about this situation and expressing their dissatisfaction.
Here are the latest statements:

Former world number one Karolina Pliskova, who like Shapovalov is set to be one of the biggest losers in terms of ranking because she will be unable to defend the points she gathered on her run to last year's final, said the outcome was "bad and unfair".
Russian player Andrey Rublev blamed Wimbledon's initial decision for creating a "toxic relationship" and his compatriot Daniil Medvedev said the All England Club's move did not seem "very logical".

Shapovalov, ranked 15th in the world, said the decision put him under "added pressure" to succeed in Paris.
''France's Benoit Paire addressed the situation unprompted in his news conference, claiming "99% of players" want points to be available at Wimbledon.
"I'm sorry for Russia and Russians, but they are the ones causing all the trouble - and all the ATP players are actually paying the price," he said.

''World number seven Rublev has spoken out against the war in Ukraine and said last month the ban by Wimbledon was "complete discrimination".
On Tuesday, the 24-year-old added he thought the move by the ATP had to be made to show the tournaments "they cannot do whatever they want".
"Tennis, in my opinion, is the only one sport that we need tournaments to work together - and tournaments need players to work together," said Rublev.
"When we have a toxic relationship, like now, only the bad things can happen."

''Medvedev, 26, has tried to distance himself from expressing his support for either the ATP and WTA, or Wimbledon.
"When I read why the ATP made this decision, I found it very logical what they said. This is what I didn't find in Wimbledon explanations," said the world number two.
"I'm not saying which decision is right, but at least so far in explaining their decisions, I found [the] ATP just more logical and more consecutive."''

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61572236

In short, all tennis players are very dissatisfied with the recent decisions to ban Russian and Belarusian tennis players from participating in Wimbledon, but also with the later decision of the ATP and WTA to remove ranking points from Wimbledon.
No matter how this situation ended, great damage has already been done and instead of talking and enjoying tennis, we discuss the decisions of the organizers and tennis associations.
Too much politics has been in sports lately.

@Daniel91 I personally feel that this decision should never have been taken, or they should have called the player’s in for consultation but now it’s too late the damage is done, and the biggest losers are the fans who love this sport so much.

Quote from: cryptofrka on May 25, 2022, 05:02:58 AM

They will all eventually play - they play for money first after all. Winning a Wimbledon will always carry extra meaning as well.

I am glad the players are complaining though, and I am glad that the ATP put some pressure on All England Club. I support the decision 100%, punishing individuals due to their nationality is a discriminatory act and should never be used as a 'balancing' mechanism.

@cryptofrka you’re wrong for this situation because you have conveniently ignored player’s emotions, and secondly why would player’s risk playing with zero points to earn when they can keep themselves fresh for other tournaments, hence I agree with the above posters that we’re going to witness an mediocre Wimbledon this year.

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They will all eventually play - they play for money first after all. Winning a Wimbledon will always carry extra meaning as well.

I am glad the players are complaining though, and I am glad that the ATP put some pressure on All England Club. I support the decision 100%, punishing individuals due to their nationality is a discriminatory act and should never be used as a 'balancing' mechanism.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 24, 2022, 11:12:47 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on May 24, 2022, 08:22:55 AM

How many tennis players think this way and who else could cancel their participation in Wimbledon?
It seems that in the end, Wimbledon GS will be severely weakened and will almost turn into an exhibition tournament due to the decision of the organizers to ban the performance of Russian and Belarusian tennis players.
If Djokovic takes this opportunity and wins his new GS tournament, it seems that this eventual triumph of Djokovic at Wimbledon will always be overshadowed by doubt and controversy.
This is really not good news for all sincere tennis fans.
Because of playing Wimbledon without points, Djokovic will actually suffer great damage because he will be the biggest loser in this story.

Two wrongs do not make a right. No one should mix politics with sport. I don't support Wimbledon's decision at all and ATP as well. No one should ban anyone. This is just ATP is trying to put its foot down but they are hurting players who worked so hard for their points. Wimbledon will be a joke this year, most players are very likely not to turn-up as there is no incentive. Djokovic will now lose 2,000 points from last year. And it is not fair or democratic.

I agree with you.
More and more tennis players are talking about this situation and expressing their dissatisfaction.
Here are the latest statements:

Former world number one Karolina Pliskova, who like Shapovalov is set to be one of the biggest losers in terms of ranking because she will be unable to defend the points she gathered on her run to last year's final, said the outcome was "bad and unfair".
Russian player Andrey Rublev blamed Wimbledon's initial decision for creating a "toxic relationship" and his compatriot Daniil Medvedev said the All England Club's move did not seem "very logical".

Shapovalov, ranked 15th in the world, said the decision put him under "added pressure" to succeed in Paris.
''France's Benoit Paire addressed the situation unprompted in his news conference, claiming "99% of players" want points to be available at Wimbledon.
"I'm sorry for Russia and Russians, but they are the ones causing all the trouble - and all the ATP players are actually paying the price," he said.

''World number seven Rublev has spoken out against the war in Ukraine and said last month the ban by Wimbledon was "complete discrimination".
On Tuesday, the 24-year-old added he thought the move by the ATP had to be made to show the tournaments "they cannot do whatever they want".
"Tennis, in my opinion, is the only one sport that we need tournaments to work together - and tournaments need players to work together," said Rublev.
"When we have a toxic relationship, like now, only the bad things can happen."

''Medvedev, 26, has tried to distance himself from expressing his support for either the ATP and WTA, or Wimbledon.
"When I read why the ATP made this decision, I found it very logical what they said. This is what I didn't find in Wimbledon explanations," said the world number two.
"I'm not saying which decision is right, but at least so far in explaining their decisions, I found [the] ATP just more logical and more consecutive."''

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61572236

In short, all tennis players are very dissatisfied with the recent decisions to ban Russian and Belarusian tennis players from participating in Wimbledon, but also with the later decision of the ATP and WTA to remove ranking points from Wimbledon.
No matter how this situation ended, great damage has already been done and instead of talking and enjoying tennis, we discuss the decisions of the organizers and tennis associations.
Too much politics has been in sports lately.

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Quote from: aoluain on May 24, 2022, 01:29:03 AM

On the womens side I was hoping to put an in-play bet on Swiatek but she demolished Tsurenko
6-2 and 6-0. She was in control from start to finish. There really isnt anyone who can trouble her
and few chances to make a bet on her other than going on a handicap.

It seems Swiatek is 99% sure winner this year. Odds are almost discouraging to bet on her. Let's see how it will be against Riske (43rd). She has never passed the 2nd round and the most probably she will not defeat Swiatek.

On the other hand, Polish fans are also interested in today's Hurkacz-Cecchinato.

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Quote from: Trofo on May 25, 2022, 12:32:22 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on May 24, 2022, 10:16:12 PM

We almost got an upset when Tsitsipas went down 0-2 against Musetti.

So he has to climb back from that deficit and win the next three sets in fashion. And then again, Dennis Shapovalov (inconsistency), and after the game he said he felt some pressure because of the Wimbledon decision, not sure how true is that but a lost is a lost I guess.

Later it will be Nadal against Moutet in the second round. And fellow Spaniards Alcaraz vs Ramos Vinolas.

Shapovalov is very good on grass, so he counted on that points in his season, I guess that creates extra pressure to perform better on other tournament then.

Tsitsipas managed to turn it around but Busta lost to Simon after looking well for comeback. This is maybe biggest surprise for me so far.

I was watching some of the Tsitsipas/Musetti match and keeping an eye on the
Carreno Busta/Simon one too, I was going to do an in play bet on Carreno Busta
in the second set but had my doubts about it, that was one good decision I made,
thats a bit of an upset alright.

I also did an inplay bet on Tsitsipas when he went 2-0 in the third set, so that worked
out well.

I also caught the last 2 sets of Gaston v de Minaur, that was incredibly entertaining,
the audience made it very exciting and Gaston got great energy from them to win in
a thrilling 5 setter with a tie break in the 5th.

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