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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 02, 2022, 03:22:35 AM

It looks like Djokovic hasn't come to the form once after the covid-19 vaccine issue that kept him away from playing few tournament. The sets were won consecutively, and the same made the match more interesting. Finally Nadal was able to make it after hard fight. This year looks to be good for Nadal.

I definitely agree with you. This year Djokovic has lost a lot of matches and sets as probably never in his career as number 1.
There may be several explanations for this debacle, what is certain is that it is not the number 1 that we are used to seeing.
For the bettor it becomes more interesting to bet against him than in favor ...(because in any case the odds are always lower than the average)

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I liked Zverev in the quarter-finals against Carlos Alcaraz. He played much more concentrated and was on his game from the start. In contrast to the round of 16 against Bernabe Zapata Miralles, he was much more aggressive and Alcaraz could not implement his dominant style of play. Now he is in the semi-finals for the second time.

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Djokovic started the match really bad and didnt look like himself at all

Quote from: aoluain on June 01, 2022, 05:24:09 PM

It looks like Djokovic hasn't come to the form

I think this is harsh on Nadal. Djokovic didn't beat himself, Nadal beat him. And it's not like Djokovic was struggling at this tournament, he breezed through every match in straight sets until he came up against Nadal.
Nadal can make anyone look bad on clay. If Djokovic is missing shots, this is often because Nadal is putting him in a position where he is likely to miss them. If Djokovic is making "unforced" errors, then likely this is because he is trying too hard, going for riskier shots because he knows that anything less would not be good enough against Nadal.

Yeah, we should give credits for Nadal for making Djokovic uncomfortable specially in the final set. Djokovic missing his shots because he was pressured by Nadal and we all know that Rafa is still the king of clay, his record is astonishing in RG. Now he is the favorite to win again and it's going to be huge as it will cemented his legacy and another great story for him. As we all know that prior to this tournament, Nadal is not 100% healthy.

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Čilić was brilliant in the tie-break yesterday, he was hitting everything. He was better in key moments throughout the match and is deservedly in the semifinals.
The tennis they showed wasn't really on the highest level - too many unforced errors and a lot of service winners - quite a boring match to watch.

Čilić has a great chance tomorrow - if he wins against Ruud (unlikely IMO) he will reach the final in all Grand Slam tournaments.

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Quote from: edgycorner on June 01, 2022, 03:11:26 PM

Quote from: casperBGD on June 01, 2022, 02:02:38 PM

Cilic went into semi-final, marking three matches in row in this QF, that I have completely missed (expected all favorites to go through, is that hard enough)
will Rune finish it off, with all bigger odds to go through? not sure

Ruud has a great chance to reach final, although Cilic knows how to play GS matches, and it will be more than interesting whoever goes on him into SF

Cilic got lucky man, the spur of points in the 5th set tiebreaker was so unlucky for Rublev
He played so well, just to end up having bad luck in the tie-breaker Cry

Whoever Cilic gets in SF, it's going to be his last match for sure. The guy pisses me off too, because of how long he takes to serve. I hope he gets a game penalty in SF lol

Cilic has been quite remarkable in RG so far, to continue his good form into the match
today to beat Rublev is very different to how I normally see him. He took his chances in
the 5th set tiebreak and landed his shots.

I dont think he takes any longer than most players on serve, Nadal yesterday was
taking 28 seconds regularly from when the score was called while Djokovic was around
the 20 seconds.

I have to admit that Cilic really surprised me this year at RG.
His biggest successes, winning the GS in America, and the finals in Wimbledon and Australian happened a few years ago and since then Cilic has been in a big crisis and has not achieved any valuable result in tennis tournaments.
The public in Croatia had already lost faith in him and we expected him to retire from tennis.
Old Cilic would smoothly lose matches like this one in the quarterfinals against Rublev, but this is a new Cilic with great mental strength and stability, and I would say that he is now the favorite for the finals.
If he succeeds, it will be a really huge result, because how many tennis players today, in the age of the big three in world tennis, can boast that they played in the finals of all 4 GS?
Had he been born at a different time, Cilic would probably have won at least 5-6 GS tournaments by now.
Unfortunately, he is one of the most underrated tennis players today.

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Quote from: Trofo on June 02, 2022, 04:44:05 AM

We can only question his injury problems since I don't belive it is possible to play like that even if you have some minor discomfort.

He definitely has a foot problem, and has done his entire life... This page has some interesting background on the problem.

It's a birth defect, which he manages with painkillers and a specially customised shoe. In fact it's likely the altered weight distribution due to this solution is what led to the knee problems that have plagued him through his career, too. There is absolutely definitely a physical problem with his foot, which can't be fixed and has to be managed. But perhaps it is misleading that we call it an injury, as it is more fundamental than that. And yes, it is quite astonishing that someone with this condition can become the most successful male tennis player of all time. Apparently he can't remember ever playing without pain.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 02, 2022, 03:22:35 AM

Djokovic started the match really bad and didnt look like himself at all

It looks like Djokovic hasn't come to the form

I think this is harsh on Nadal. Djokovic didn't beat himself, Nadal beat him. And it's not like Djokovic was struggling at this tournament, he breezed through every match in straight sets until he came up against Nadal.
Nadal can make anyone look bad on clay. If Djokovic is missing shots, this is often because Nadal is putting him in a position where he is likely to miss them. If Djokovic is making "unforced" errors, then likely this is because he is trying too hard, going for riskier shots because he knows that anything less would not be good enough against Nadal.

Agree with this, at least in first 2 sets that I watched there was incredible tennis beeing played and Djokovic would have destroyed any other opponent at that moment. Nadal simply performed on par with his best ever RG perfomances.

We can only question his injury problems since I don't belive it is possible to play like that even if you have some minor discomfort.

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Djokovic started the match really bad and didnt look like himself at all

Quote from: edgycorner on June 01, 2022, 03:11:26 PM

It looks like Djokovic hasn't come to the form

I think this is harsh on Nadal. Djokovic didn't beat himself, Nadal beat him. And it's not like Djokovic was struggling at this tournament, he breezed through every match in straight sets until he came up against Nadal.
Nadal can make anyone look bad on clay. If Djokovic is missing shots, this is often because Nadal is putting him in a position where he is likely to miss them. If Djokovic is making "unforced" errors, then likely this is because he is trying too hard, going for riskier shots because he knows that anything less would not be good enough against Nadal.

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Just got lucky again:

Specially in the Cilic vs Rublev match, the score in the fifth set should be perfect 7-6 regardless of who is going to win. I was thinking to go on the Over, most likely it will be covered as well. But I was thinking that Cilic might pull through. Ruud vs Rune is different story, predicting that this much is going to a fourth set for Casper.

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 01, 2022, 02:02:38 PM

Cilic went into semi-final, marking three matches in row in this QF, that I have completely missed (expected all favorites to go through, is that hard enough)
will Rune finish it off, with all bigger odds to go through? not sure

Ruud has a great chance to reach final, although Cilic knows how to play GS matches, and it will be more than interesting whoever goes on him into SF

Cilic got lucky man, the spur of points in the 5th set tiebreaker was so unlucky for Rublev
He played so well, just to end up having bad luck in the tie-breaker Cry

Whoever Cilic gets in SF, it's going to be his last match for sure. The guy pisses me off too, because of how long he takes to serve. I hope he gets a game penalty in SF lol

Cilic has been quite remarkable in RG so far, to continue his good form into the match
today to beat Rublev is very different to how I normally see him. He took his chances in
the 5th set tiebreak and landed his shots.

I dont think he takes any longer than most players on serve, Nadal yesterday was
taking 28 seconds regularly from when the score was called while Djokovic was around
the 20 seconds.

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 01, 2022, 02:02:38 PM

Cilic went into semi-final, marking three matches in row in this QF, that I have completely missed (expected all favorites to go through, is that hard enough)
will Rune finish it off, with all bigger odds to go through? not sure

Ruud has a great chance to reach final, although Cilic knows how to play GS matches, and it will be more than interesting whoever goes on him into SF

Cilic got lucky man, the spur of points in the 5th set tiebreaker was so unlucky for Rublev
He played so well, just to end up having bad luck in the tie-breaker Cry

Whoever Cilic gets in SF, it's going to be his last match for sure. The guy pisses me off too, because of how long he takes to serve. I hope he gets a game penalty in SF lol

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And then we have a classic game as well between Ciilic and Rublev, it went 5 sets and now on a tie break. Nerve wrecking game.

Cilic went into semi-final, marking three matches in row in this QF, that I have completely missed (expected all favorites to go through, is that hard enough)
will Rune finish it off, with all bigger odds to go through? not sure

Ruud has a great chance to reach final, although Cilic knows how to play GS matches, and it will be more than interesting whoever goes on him into SF

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Quote from: babygun on June 01, 2022, 01:23:28 PM

I just watched first 2 sets of this clay classic and it was extremely good tennis from both Nadal and Djoković. Some points were borderline impossible. I expected Djoković to do better after winning that 2nd set but obviously Nadal likes his king of clay mantle and doesn't plan on relinquishing it soon.

Wasn't able to see anything of the match but there was a massive value on Nadal to win. Nadal will have some more difficult matches (against Zverev next round) but I don't see anybody beat Nadal this year so most probably he will win yet another Roland Garros. The only way he can be defeated if his injury really plays up.

Hopefully though, Nadal still has some on his gas tank after that grueling match against Djokovic because that game seems to be the finals for me. Their match will be tomorrow at 8:45 pm local time, so another night game for Nadal in which he has a problem with, but let's see.

And then we have a classic game as well between Ciilic and Rublev, it went 5 sets and now on a tie break. Nerve wrecking game.

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I just watched first 2 sets of this clay classic and it was extremely good tennis from both Nadal and Djoković. Some points were borderline impossible. I expected Djoković to do better after winning that 2nd set but obviously Nadal likes his king of clay mantle and doesn't plan on relinquishing it soon.

Wasn't able to see anything of the match but there was a massive value on Nadal to win. Nadal will have some more difficult matches (against Zverev next round) but I don't see anybody beat Nadal this year so most probably he will win yet another Roland Garros. The only way he can be defeated if his injury really plays up.

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I just watched first 2 sets of this clay classic and it was extremely good tennis from both Nadal and Djoković. Some points were borderline impossible. I expected Djoković to do better after winning that 2nd set but obviously Nadal likes his king of clay mantle and doesn't plan on relinquishing it soon.

Djokovic started the match really bad and didnt look like himself at all since the beggining of the match. Later on he played really good but those missed set points on his serve in the fourth set costed him the win and to make the match longer. Now a rough match against Zverev for Nadal

It looks like Djokovic hasn't come to the form once after the covid-19 vaccine issue that kept him away from playing few tournament. The sets were won consecutively, and the same made the match more interesting. Finally Nadal was able to make it after hard fight. This year looks to be good for Nadal.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 01, 2022, 01:43:34 AM

I just watched first 2 sets of this clay classic and it was extremely good tennis from both Nadal and Djoković. Some points were borderline impossible. I expected Djoković to do better after winning that 2nd set but obviously Nadal likes his king of clay mantle and doesn't plan on relinquishing it soon.

Djokovic started the match really bad and didnt look like himself at all since the beggining of the match. Later on he played really good but those missed set points on his serve in the fourth set costed him the win and to make the match longer. Now a rough match against Zverev for Nadal

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I just watched first 2 sets of this clay classic and it was extremely good tennis from both Nadal and Djoković. Some points were borderline impossible. I expected Djoković to do better after winning that 2nd set but obviously Nadal likes his king of clay mantle and doesn't plan on relinquishing it soon.

I think many, myself included, expected Djokovic to win this one. I remember last time here, Nadal started strongly but couldn't maintain it, and Djokovic won. This one looked like it might go the same way when Djokovic pulled that second set back from a double break down... unbelievable that Nadal could win it when he's not 100% and also no doubt tired from a five setter against FAA.

Yes, and probably that's one reason why he doesn't want to play at night.

And it just proved how Nadal is still the king of clay, like this performance against Djokovic. But Zverev avoided an all Spaniard semis, so it will be him against Rafa. This could be another epic match.

Cilic vs. Rublev - a 5 setter perhaps?

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