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Quote from: teddybear on April 04, 2022, 04:56:18 AM

Big things to come in the future from Alcaraz! He's capable of playing a physical game and has great technique as well! Just hope he can stay injury free. Few years ago, Hyeon Chung was the hottest prospect and he won the next gen finals as well like Alcaraz, but just couldn't shake off injuries and now he's become obscure. Hopefully, not the same case with Alcaraz.

Chung was a hot prospect but didnt win any big titles. He won against Djokovic on AO and everybody thinked he had an amazing career ahead of him,but those injuries just destroyed him. Alcaraz has shown that he is few ranks above Chung with how he is playing. You just know Alcaraz will be #1 its just a matter of months/years before he gets it.

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Quote from: casperBGD on April 06, 2022, 04:01:38 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on April 06, 2022, 12:44:36 AM

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I agree that Medvedev was the only one so far who did standout amongst the young generation of tennis player that will replace the old guard. But so far, he has faltered, recently in this tournament wherein Alcaraz is the winner. So all the attention has shifted to Alcaraz as there are too much hype around him but he was able to back it up with a huge win in Miami.

I would argue that Medvedev is eight years older than Alcaraz
Alcaraz is the youngest winner at Miami open (actually it was Djokovic before him), and third youngest player that won Masters (after Nadal and Chang), so I think that he is much closer to being no.1 than Medvedev in the long term

all the others are also 23-25 years old, 5-7 years older than Alcaraz, I would not call them young, in sports that are middle-ages

Sinner is going to be good, and is still only 20yo... but yes, this does just highlight how good Alcaraz will be (and already is), to be doing this sort of stuff at 18yo, 2 years younger even than Sinner. Alcaraz looks to be a number one in the making. Has there ever been a male Spanish tennis player winning such big titles at such a young age? Wink

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Quote from: Kemarit on April 06, 2022, 12:44:36 AM

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I agree that Medvedev was the only one so far who did standout amongst the young generation of tennis player that will replace the old guard. But so far, he has faltered, recently in this tournament wherein Alcaraz is the winner. So all the attention has shifted to Alcaraz as there are too much hype around him but he was able to back it up with a huge win in Miami.

I would argue that Medvedev is eight years older than Alcaraz
Alcaraz is the youngest winner at Miami open (actually it was Djokovic before him), and third youngest player that won Masters (after Nadal and Chang), so I think that he is much closer to being no.1 than Medvedev in the long term

all the others are also 23-25 years old, 5-7 years older than Alcaraz, I would not call them young, in sports that are middle-ages

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Quote from: og kush420 on April 05, 2022, 12:21:35 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 04, 2022, 08:45:22 PM

She has accomplished a lot this year, specially getting that number 1 spot. And hopefully, she won't be the hype like the rest of the other champions in the ladies division. That after winning tournaments and rising to the ranks, they suddenly goes down hard and never recover from that. Of course there are exceptions to the rule because there are so many legends as well in the ladies, but we all know how fast the ladies ranking has change in the last 5-10 years. As compare to the men's for example, Roger's ran at the number 1 seed and now Djokovic.

There is one thing for sure - men get more recognition than women and it get more hype. Like for instant there was women cricket world cup going on. Had that been men's tournament it would have gained more recognition. But then again men and women recognition is important. Let's celebrate her achievement for sometime.

True, but women are getting recognition as well, remember the time when Steffi Graf, Monica Seles and Martina Hingis was dominating, the tennis world was very different and I must say that they've given recognition if not more than men.

The bunch of young women player just need to be consistent and maybe they would have the glory years again, specially today that we are in the social media era already.

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Quote from: teddybear on April 04, 2022, 04:56:18 AM

Big things to come in the future from Alcaraz! He's capable of playing a physical game and has great technique as well! Just hope he can stay injury free. Few years ago, Hyeon Chung was the hottest prospect and he won the next gen finals as well like Alcaraz, but just couldn't shake off injuries and now he's become obscure. Hopefully, not the same case with Alcaraz.

Alcaraz is a big talent but we have a lot of young talented players out there, so we will need to wait and see who will really breakthrough and start winning grandslams. Till date, I don't really see anybody (except for maybe Medvedev) who will able to dominate the field in a similar way as Djokovic, Nadal or Federed did.

I agree that Medvedev was the only one so far who did standout amongst the young generation of tennis player that will replace the old guard. But so far, he has faltered, recently in this tournament wherein Alcaraz is the winner. So all the attention has shifted to Alcaraz as there are too much hype around him but he was able to back it up with a huge win in Miami.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 04, 2022, 08:45:22 PM

She has accomplished a lot this year, specially getting that number 1 spot. And hopefully, she won't be the hype like the rest of the other champions in the ladies division. That after winning tournaments and rising to the ranks, they suddenly goes down hard and never recover from that. Of course there are exceptions to the rule because there are so many legends as well in the ladies, but we all know how fast the ladies ranking has change in the last 5-10 years. As compare to the men's for example, Roger's ran at the number 1 seed and now Djokovic.

There is one thing for sure - men get more recognition than women and it get more hype. Like for instant there was women cricket world cup going on. Had that been men's tournament it would have gained more recognition. But then again men and women recognition is important. Let's celebrate her achievement for sometime.

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Quote from: teddybear on April 04, 2022, 04:56:18 AM

Big things to come in the future from Alcaraz! He's capable of playing a physical game and has great technique as well! Just hope he can stay injury free. Few years ago, Hyeon Chung was the hottest prospect and he won the next gen finals as well like Alcaraz, but just couldn't shake off injuries and now he's become obscure. Hopefully, not the same case with Alcaraz.

Alcaraz is a big talent but we have a lot of young talented players out there, so we will need to wait and see who will really breakthrough and start winning grandslams. Till date, I don't really see anybody (except for maybe Medvedev) who will able to dominate the field in a similar way as Djokovic, Nadal or Federed did.

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Quote from: aoluain on April 05, 2022, 01:21:48 AM

I know its hard to call but who do you think could challenge Iga for #1?

Osaka I think is the most likely challenger. Remember she didn't just make the final here, but she did so whilst still match-rusty and as part of a comeback. If this is a genuine comeback, then she will only get stronger as the weeks go by.

Swiatek is certainly a deserving number one in the absence of Barty, but I don't think she'll sit there unchallenged.

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Quote from: aoluain on April 05, 2022, 01:21:48 AM

And Swiatek could hold that #1 spot for quite a while at least this year if she can
continue to keep her performance level. The next 5 places behind her are very close
in points to each other but the one I would like to see challenging her is Osaka If
she can stay playing.

I know its hard to call but who do you think could challenge Iga for #1?

Sakkari? Badosa? This two has also a great run in the last two tournaments, but they need to be consistent and win some in order to compete against Iga because Swiatek form and her all around game is superior right now. And she will be hitting her prime years in the next 2-3 years so it's going to be tough for this ladies to overcome her. But let's see how Sakkari and Badosa will bring it at least for this year.

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And Swiatek could hold that #1 spot for quite a while at least this year if she can
continue to keep her performance level. The next 5 places behind her are very close
in points to each other but the one I would like to see challenging her is Osaka If
she can stay playing.

I know its hard to call but who do you think could challenge Iga for #1?

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She has accomplished a lot this year, specially getting that number 1 spot. And hopefully, she won't be the hype like the rest of the other champions in the ladies division. That after winning tournaments and rising to the ranks, they suddenly goes down hard and never recover from that. Of course there are exceptions to the rule because there are so many legends as well in the ladies, but we all know how fast the ladies ranking has change in the last 5-10 years. As compare to the men's for example, Roger's ran at the number 1 seed and now Djokovic.

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Quote from: bitbollo on April 04, 2022, 02:34:06 PM

Quote from: aoluain on April 04, 2022, 01:38:54 PM

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The key going forward is to manage the body and stay injury free. As an 18
year old his physique is impressive but it will be important for him not to get burnt
out so early in his career, there is many years ahead and I would imagine it would
be prudent to not play every top tournament so early in the career so hopefully his
team will be able to put his welfare ahead of $'s and ranking.

it's a very interesting talking point but in fact he is not only a top player, or a kind of thoroughbred. He seems to be predestined, we are talking and admiring his results from a while.
I think that the team behind him is certainly able to manage commitments and avoid a whole series of risks.
These "next gen" players have behind a "corporate" organization.
I have seen something similar here in Italy with the impressive growth of Sinner...

Also the WTA ranking is out. IGA SWIATEK OFFICIALLY RISES TO NO. 1, CAM NORRIE MAKES TOP 10 DEBUT She’s the first player from Poland to reach No. 1 in either ATP or WTA rankings history (the previous highest-ranked player from Poland was Agnieszka Radwanska, who went as high as No. 2 on the WTA rankings in both 2012 and 2016).

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Quote from: bitbollo on April 04, 2022, 02:34:06 PM

Quote from: aoluain on April 04, 2022, 01:38:54 PM

^
The key going forward is to manage the body and stay injury free. As an 18
year old his physique is impressive but it will be important for him not to get burnt
out so early in his career, there is many years ahead and I would imagine it would
be prudent to not play every top tournament so early in the career so hopefully his
team will be able to put his welfare ahead of $'s and ranking.

it's a very interesting talking point but in fact he is not only a top player, or a kind of thoroughbred. He seems to be predestined, we are talking and admiring his results from a while.
I think that the team behind him is certainly able to manage commitments and avoid a whole series of risks.
These "next gen" players have behind a "corporate" organization.
I have seen something similar here in Italy with the impressive growth of Sinner...

The latest update is IGA SWIatek rises to no 1. The new WTA ranking are released yesterday and it is now official. She has ascended to the No 1 on WTA ranking making an achievement in two ways.
1: As a first player from Poland
2: Youngest to be born in 2000s to reach No 1 in either ATP or WTA ranking association

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Quote from: aoluain on April 04, 2022, 01:38:54 PM

^
The key going forward is to manage the body and stay injury free. As an 18
year old his physique is impressive but it will be important for him not to get burnt
out so early in his career, there is many years ahead and I would imagine it would
be prudent to not play every top tournament so early in the career so hopefully his
team will be able to put his welfare ahead of $'s and ranking.

it's a very interesting talking point but in fact he is not only a top player, or a kind of thoroughbred. He seems to be predestined, we are talking and admiring his results from a while.
I think that the team behind him is certainly able to manage commitments and avoid a whole series of risks.
These "next gen" players have behind a "corporate" organization.
I have seen something similar here in Italy with the impressive growth of Sinner...

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^
The key going forward is to manage the body and stay injury free. As an 18
year old his physique is impressive but it will be important for him not to get burnt
out so early in his career, there is many years ahead and I would imagine it would
be prudent to not play every top tournament so early in the career so hopefully his
team will be able to put his welfare ahead of $'s and ranking.

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Big things to come in the future from Alcaraz! He's capable of playing a physical game and has great technique as well! Just hope he can stay injury free. Few years ago, Hyeon Chung was the hottest prospect and he won the next gen finals as well like Alcaraz, but just couldn't shake off injuries and now he's become obscure. Hopefully, not the same case with Alcaraz.

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Alcaraz won Miami, and proved his value, compared to Ruud at least, although Ruud is above on the list
will be interesting to see him on clay, that should be a "place to go" for Spanish players, but Alcaraz does not seem as typical Spanish clay player

congrats, and he looks as future no.1

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Quote from: aoluain on April 03, 2022, 04:35:28 PM

Quote from: bitbollo on April 03, 2022, 02:05:33 PM

Alcaraz has just win Miami Tournament! 2 set vs 0!
7-5 6-4
it was not easy on first set but at the end he is collecting a well deserved title.
It was not really hard to bet on him since the other match they have played has been clearly win by the Spanish.

Quote from: bitbollo on April 02, 2022, 09:03:09 AM

The odds offered on Alcaraz winner against Ruud are not high, but the Spanish seems to be the favorite.
There is only one precedent between the two players.
About a year ago they played a game that ended with Alcaraz victory (6-2 6-4) even if it was another surface much more suited to his playing characteristics.

Personally I will try to play a bet during the "live" match hoping for a 10% more odds.
It is a risk (because I could also get 10% less) but it is worth it to maximize the final result.

Today the women tournament ends with the match between Osaka and Swiatek!
I have my idea of how the match will end, but I keep it to myself Wink

It was a great win by him, to get broken early in the 1st set and to break back later
and go on to win the set. The 2nd one was easier for him, breaking Ruud's first game
and it was not too much trouble.

The interesting thing ^{well, one of them anyway} was his calmness to serve out for the match,
it was like pure belief he was going to win.

All our bets were fulfilled, I'm sure Trofo picked up better odds on Alcaraz early in the 1st set
after he went 0-3 down!

Good win, yeah, he deserves this tournament, he has been playing solid like Swiatek. Just like what he did against Tsitisipas, down in the first set, was able to make a huge comeback. But this time, he was really calm and know what to do in the first set as he didn't want to and playing catch up again.

And the score was enough to hit the -3.5 handicap so I'm very a happy camper right now.

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Quote from: aoluain on April 03, 2022, 04:35:28 PM

All our bets were fulfilled, I'm sure Trofo picked up better odds on Alcaraz early in the 1st set
after he went 0-3 down!

I did not, i didn't even know he went 3:0 down. I was playing football with my buddies and tuned in at the beginning of second set.

Good thing I did not see it since I had no money left, I alredy made a bet with all spare cash I had on every bookie i have aaccount on. I would have just been nervous. Immediately booked a week for family in nearby 5 star resort too avoid loosing the extra cash in the next few days.

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Quote from: bitbollo on April 03, 2022, 02:05:33 PM

Alcaraz has just win Miami Tournament! 2 set vs 0!
7-5 6-4
it was not easy on first set but at the end he is collecting a well deserved title.
It was not really hard to bet on him since the other match they have played has been clearly win by the Spanish.

Quote from: bitbollo on April 02, 2022, 09:03:09 AM

The odds offered on Alcaraz winner against Ruud are not high, but the Spanish seems to be the favorite.
There is only one precedent between the two players.
About a year ago they played a game that ended with Alcaraz victory (6-2 6-4) even if it was another surface much more suited to his playing characteristics.

Personally I will try to play a bet during the "live" match hoping for a 10% more odds.
It is a risk (because I could also get 10% less) but it is worth it to maximize the final result.

Today the women tournament ends with the match between Osaka and Swiatek!
I have my idea of how the match will end, but I keep it to myself Wink

It was a great win by him, to get broken early in the 1st set and to break back later
and go on to win the set. The 2nd one was easier for him, breaking Ruud's first game
and it was not too much trouble.

The interesting thing ^{well, one of them anyway} was his calmness to serve out for the match,
it was like pure belief he was going to win.

All our bets were fulfilled, I'm sure Trofo picked up better odds on Alcaraz early in the 1st set
after he went 0-3 down!

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