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Quote from: Trofo on April 09, 2022, 11:35:51 AM

Yeah, I know it's on clay, but I'm banking that he can overcome someone who is not a rank player, unfortunately, it was a default match.

But it might be very different in his next match because he will be facing Opelka. So I will have the +1.5 on Opelka @1.97.

I dont have a bet on this match which is on now with Opelka up 2-5 in the first set
and Kyrgios is not believing in himself ATM.

Quote from: bitbollo on April 09, 2022, 07:48:05 AM

I think also that another top player could be Sinner. he proved to be a player of top levels.
About Alcaraz...
the only thing that worries me is his young age. will he be able to progress and growth and not feel the pressure even at a mature age?

Sinner is a solid top 20 player for me and I am not giving him any chances to ever be top 3. He is solid but he is nothing exceptional when compered to the best. He has a style of play which capitalizes on opponents errors and top players are not giving him those errors.

Alcaraz on the other hand has a game that can get him wins against anybody on a good day and he is future top 5 for me without any doubt. With a bit of luck and a lot of work maybe even top1.

I actually get that Trofo, Sinner is.....solid but doesnt have the W O W which Alcaraz has.
Maybe with his new coach/team he can bring his game to a higher level.

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Quote from: bitbollo on April 09, 2022, 07:48:05 AM

I think also that another top player could be Sinner. he proved to be a player of top levels.
About Alcaraz...
the only thing that worries me is his young age. will he be able to progress and growth and not feel the pressure even at a mature age?

Sinner is a solid top 20 player for me and I am not giving him any chances to ever be top 3. He is solid but he is nothing exceptional when compered to the best. He has a style of play which capitalizes on opponents errors and top players are not giving him those errors.

Alcaraz on the other hand has a game that can get him wins against anybody on a good day and he is future top 5 for me without any doubt. With a bit of luck and a lot of work maybe even top1.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on April 07, 2022, 12:26:41 PM

Alcaraz is just that, big hitter without a week spot in his game. If he continues to develop as he should, he has future no.1 written all over him.

He certainly does. And whilst I made the point about Sinner also being a good young player, it's true that they don't really compare... Alcaraz really does seem to have that something special that could take him to the very top, rather than just near the top.

I am actually quite strict when judging players and not prone to hype but I see only good stuff for Alcaraz in future.

He's unfortunate in a way to be from Spain, as all he needs to do is play a few good matches and everyone will assume he's going to be just as successful as Nadal - and the pressure intensifies as Nadal is obviously nearing the end of his career, and the fans are looking for a ready-made replacement.
But yes obviously there are positives to it as well, as you say Nadal can give him valuable advice on how to deal with it all.

I think also that another top player could be Sinner. he proved to be a player of top levels.
About Alcaraz...
the only thing that worries me is his young age. will he be able to progress and growth and not feel the pressure even at a mature age?

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Quote from: aoluain on April 08, 2022, 01:14:22 PM

^^ A moneyline bet on Nick doesn't make sense, odds is 1.10.
So I'm going with the -4.5 @1.71, if he is on a roll then definitely Nick is going hard to be stop as we have seen him before. No doubt about his mental issues, but if he has conquered or at least controlled it, maybe he will have a good chance to bag his first tournament win this season.

You guys that play on Kyrgios realize that this tournament is played on clay?? I mean he already has 2 wins this season and that is exactly the same as in last 4 seasons all together. I would not put a penny on Nick while playing on clay. Not saying he is not gonna win but those odds on clay scream handicap against him. At least for me.

Yeah, I know it's on clay, but I'm banking that he can overcome someone who is not a rank player, unfortunately, it was a default match.

But it might be very different in his next match because he will be facing Opelka. So I will have the +1.5 on Opelka @1.97.

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Ok it Nick going to the semi-finals without breaking any sweat as Michael Mmoh withdraws due to a right adductor strain and he will be facing Opelka, so I guess this is where our bet will go. Nick still the favorite though, might be good to throw some money on Opelka, to pull an upset. Tiafoe and Isner playing currently.

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Quote from: Joca97 on April 08, 2022, 12:05:15 PM

Quote from: Joca97 on April 08, 2022, 12:05:15 PM

^^ A moneyline bet on Nick doesn't make sense, odds is 1.10.
So I'm going with the -4.5 @1.71, if he is on a roll then definitely Nick is going hard to be stop as we have seen him before. No doubt about his mental issues, but if he has conquered or at least controlled it, maybe he will have a good chance to bag his first tournament win this season.

You guys that play on Kyrgios realize that this tournament is played on clay?? I mean he already has 2 wins this season and that is exactly the same as in last 4 seasons all together. I would not put a penny on Nick while playing on clay. Not saying he is not gonna win but those odds on clay scream handicap against him. At least for me.

I would agree with you if he was playing someone in the top 50 and that he would struggle probobly,but he is playing against Mmoh that is not even in top 200 this is the reason why we might see Kyrgios destroy Mmoh in this duel. I would go maybe for Kyrgios to win in straight sets.

As much as I would like to see Nick perform well and constantly, I have a
very small $1 bet on Mmoh to win. The pressure might become too much
for nick if Mmoh can continue his performance and frustrate Nick.

TBH this match is really a complete unknown, we just dont know what to
expect from either player, sounds kind of exciting.....

Mmoh forfeited so our discussion is irrelevant but my comments were regarding Kyrgios on clay generally. In this match he was the favorite for sure since Mmoh is equally bad on clay and of course Kyrgios is better player if he does not self destruct.

I would not take him even against top 200 clay specialists but if you go for it 2:0 in sets is always better bet than handicap on players with great serve like Kyrgios.

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^^ A moneyline bet on Nick doesn't make sense, odds is 1.10.
So I'm going with the -4.5 @1.71, if he is on a roll then definitely Nick is going hard to be stop as we have seen him before. No doubt about his mental issues, but if he has conquered or at least controlled it, maybe he will have a good chance to bag his first tournament win this season.

You guys that play on Kyrgios realize that this tournament is played on clay?? I mean he already has 2 wins this season and that is exactly the same as in last 4 seasons all together. I would not put a penny on Nick while playing on clay. Not saying he is not gonna win but those odds on clay scream handicap against him. At least for me.

I would agree with you if he was playing someone in the top 50 and that he would struggle probobly,but he is playing against Mmoh that is not even in top 200 this is the reason why we might see Kyrgios destroy Mmoh in this duel. I would go maybe for Kyrgios to win in straight sets.

As much as I would like to see Nick perform well and constantly, I have a
very small $1 bet on Mmoh to win. The pressure might become too much
for nick if Mmoh can continue his performance and frustrate Nick.

TBH this match is really a complete unknown, we just dont know what to
expect from either player, sounds kind of exciting.....

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^^ A moneyline bet on Nick doesn't make sense, odds is 1.10.
So I'm going with the -4.5 @1.71, if he is on a roll then definitely Nick is going hard to be stop as we have seen him before. No doubt about his mental issues, but if he has conquered or at least controlled it, maybe he will have a good chance to bag his first tournament win this season.

You guys that play on Kyrgios realize that this tournament is played on clay?? I mean he already has 2 wins this season and that is exactly the same as in last 4 seasons all together. I would not put a penny on Nick while playing on clay. Not saying he is not gonna win but those odds on clay scream handicap against him. At least for me.

I would agree with you if he was playing someone in the top 50 and that he would struggle probobly,but he is playing against Mmoh that is not even in top 200 this is the reason why we might see Kyrgios destroy Mmoh in this duel. I would go maybe for Kyrgios to win in straight sets.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on April 08, 2022, 01:19:47 AM

^^ A moneyline bet on Nick doesn't make sense, odds is 1.10.
So I'm going with the -4.5 @1.71, if he is on a roll then definitely Nick is going hard to be stop as we have seen him before. No doubt about his mental issues, but if he has conquered or at least controlled it, maybe he will have a good chance to bag his first tournament win this season.

You guys that play on Kyrgios realize that this tournament is played on clay?? I mean he already has 2 wins this season and that is exactly the same as in last 4 seasons all together. I would not put a penny on Nick while playing on clay. Not saying he is not gonna win but those odds on clay scream handicap against him. At least for me.

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^^ A moneyline bet on Nick doesn't make sense, odds is 1.10.
So I'm going with the -4.5 @1.71, if he is on a roll then definitely Nick is going hard to be stop as we have seen him before. No doubt about his mental issues, but if he has conquered or at least controlled it, maybe he will have a good chance to bag his first tournament win this season.

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Quote from: aoluain on April 07, 2022, 03:41:15 PM

Would Nadal eventually after retiring from playing become a sort of mentor to the
likes of Alcaraz or become part of his team fulltime?

I don't know anything of their relationship or of what Nadal wants after he stops playing, so not sure, but it would be nice if he remained in tennis and with his personality, skills and knowledge he'd probably be a great coach.

But it's too soon to talk of his retirement, he can be a contender in the French Open at least for the next couple of decades! Cheesy

good one!

Yea Nadal isnt finished yet as regards skill, fitness and mentality but injuries are
an unknown and when he is back again it will be hard to bet against him especially at RG.

I find it difficult to fathom Rafa ^{Roger or Novak} not being involved in Tennis when
they retire as players.

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Quote from: aoluain on April 08, 2022, 01:12:42 AM

Kyrgios definitely has a great chance. The draw has really opened up on his side with Ruud's withdrawal, and now he plays a lucky loser instead of the #1 seed in the quarter-finals. The big question as always is his mentality, and can he hold everything together and progress? He really should have been a top 10 player, but I suppose the mentality is a part of what makes him good, so if he didn't have the bad side, he might not have so much of the good side either.

We have discussed Nick's "Style" to death already and it is of course his mentality which
enables him to be so brilliant and yet be so abrasive in a way. I checked the odds on Rollbit
for this match and they are Mmoh 7.0 - 1.09 Kyrgios, massive favourite which opens
up a different discussion, do you bet against him here with a good chance of a win if he breaks down?

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^^ So far though, Nick has performed better or at least on what we expect of him. But I do agree that the same questions we have right now, is he on the right track and has the power inside him to advance or at least win one tournament this year? He has a open chance right now, it's an opportunity and hopefully he will not waste it and lost to an relatively unknown player.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 08, 2022, 01:31:45 AM

Quote from: aoluain on April 08, 2022, 01:12:42 AM

The Quarter Finals of Houston are set and playing later today are:

Opelka v Brouwer
Mmoh v Kyrgios
Garin v Fritz
Tiafoe v Isner

As I mentioned earlier Kyrgios has a great chance to get to the final, if he wins
his match against Mmoh ^{who I've never heard of} he will play either Opelka or
Brouwer. what do you think?

Personally I would like to see him win it, it would give him confirmation that he can
still win a tournament as a singles player and maybe it would change his mindset?

Ok, so it's already the QF now, I think Kyrgios might have an easy path because as you have said, we haven't heard about his opponent Mmoh, so chances are high for him.

The battle between Tiafoe v Isner and Garin v Fritz might be difficult to predict though, I will try to look at the odds later and see if there is some interesting odds to bet in those match.

Kyrgios definitely has a great chance. The draw has really opened up on his side with Ruud's withdrawal, and now he plays a lucky loser instead of the #1 seed in the quarter-finals. The big question as always is his mentality, and can he hold everything together and progress? He really should have been a top 10 player, but I suppose the mentality is a part of what makes him good, so if he didn't have the bad side, he might not have so much of the good side either.

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Quote from: aoluain on April 08, 2022, 01:12:42 AM

The Quarter Finals of Houston are set and playing later today are:

Opelka v Brouwer
Mmoh v Kyrgios
Garin v Fritz
Tiafoe v Isner

As I mentioned earlier Kyrgios has a great chance to get to the final, if he wins
his match against Mmoh ^{who I've never heard of} he will play either Opelka or
Brouwer. what do you think?

Personally I would like to see him win it, it would give him confirmation that he can
still win a tournament as a singles player and maybe it would change his mindset?

Ok, so it's already the QF now, I think Kyrgios might have an easy path because as you have said, we haven't heard about his opponent Mmoh, so chances are high for him.

The battle between Tiafoe v Isner and Garin v Fritz might be difficult to predict though, I will try to look at the odds later and see if there is some interesting odds to bet in those match.

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Quote from: aoluain on April 07, 2022, 03:41:15 PM

Would Nadal eventually after retiring from playing become a sort of mentor to the
likes of Alcaraz or become part of his team fulltime?

I don't know anything of their relationship or of what Nadal wants after he stops playing, so not sure, but it would be nice if he remained in tennis and with his personality, skills and knowledge he'd probably be a great coach.

But it's too soon to talk of his retirement, he can be a contender in the French Open at least for the next couple of decades! Cheesy

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The Quarter Finals of Houston are set and playing later today are:

Opelka v Brouwer
Mmoh v Kyrgios
Garin v Fritz
Tiafoe v Isner

As I mentioned earlier Kyrgios has a great chance to get to the final, if he wins
his match against Mmoh ^{who I've never heard of} he will play either Opelka or
Brouwer. what do you think?

Personally I would like to see him win it, it would give him confirmation that he can
still win a tournament as a singles player and maybe it would change his mindset?

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Quote from: aoluain on April 07, 2022, 03:41:15 PM

^
As he progresses higher the spotlight intensifies along with the pressure and
expectations from other people. Managing that is important and having
the right people around is key.

Would Nadal eventually after retiring from playing become a sort of mentor to the
likes of Alcaraz or become part of his team fulltime?

Possible, I think we have seen throughout tennis history that a former player becomes a coach or mentor to someone and that someone become the top seed or at least reaches the pinnacle of his career at the number 1 spot.

So hopefully this can be true in the case of Alcaraz, having the Nadals on his back, it will be a good combination and a win-win situation.

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^
As he progresses higher the spotlight intensifies along with the pressure and
expectations from other people. Managing that is important and having
the right people around is key.

Would Nadal eventually after retiring from playing become a sort of mentor to the
likes of Alcaraz or become part of his team fulltime?

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Alcaraz is just that, big hitter without a week spot in his game. If he continues to develop as he should, he has future no.1 written all over him.

He certainly does. And whilst I made the point about Sinner also being a good young player, it's true that they don't really compare... Alcaraz really does seem to have that something special that could take him to the very top, rather than just near the top.