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Quote from: Kemarit on October 07, 2020, 07:40:41 PM

Quote from: vella85 on October 07, 2020, 04:59:35 PM

Its great to see Stefanos Tsitsipas reach the semi-final but now this will be his toughest test in his short career coming up against Djokovic in a grand slam. I personally would like to see him cause a big upset and make the final but I just think Djokovic will be too strong for him but we just never know as Tsitsipas does seem to playing a lot better on clay then before.

I'm sure Kemarit is very happy with his win against Rublev.

Hahahaha, you beat me to it my friend, put a good bet on Tsitsipas reaching the semis and finals and then boom. Probably he is really a clay player though his form suits better on this surface. But yeah, it will be a big uphill climb for him to beat Djokovic, although Busta was able to snatch the first set against Djokovic, but that's it. Djokovic wake up and took control and winning the last 3 sets. I would love for Tsitsipas to reach the finals so fingers-crossed.

Also the Nadal vs Schwartzman might be a thriller as well as Schwartzman upset Thiem and he knows that beating Nadal will be huge.

Well I know how much of a big fan you are of Tsitsipas and thanks to you I have also come to like him a lot even though sometimes he does frustrate me lol but I do think that his day will come when we see him win a Grand Slam. Yes he has really improved a lot of clay which he needed to as he becomes a well rounded player on all surfaces that's what the great players have done in the past. Lets see how he goes against Djokovic, if he is on his game I can see him push Djokovic to five sets or even 4 sets which might be a good bet but don't know about him winning it.

I think Nadal wins but we could see Schwartzman really push Nadal and maybe even pitch a set off Nadal, its going to be a great match. Actually I think both semi-finals matches are going to be good to watch.

By the way congrats on your bets with Tsitsipas reaching the semi-final.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 08, 2020, 03:10:52 AM

I understand your point and it has its merits. We could argue about Nadal level of fitness but I will not do that simply because I am not sure about it.

My point is made more with thinking about mind games and ease of play. I believe 5 set matches mean a lot to Nadal in a way that he has time to turn things around and therefore he plays better, more freely.
He just looks better overall in 5 set matches, no matter the surface or his stamina. That started as a consequence of his physical preparedness but has developed to psychological component during time.

I can even agree that Schwarzi will have the edge if the match goes to 5th set but my point is that Nadal will play good enough to finish the match before that, because it is best of five match. Hopefully I managed to get the point across, it is a bit of pain to explain it on my second language.

Yup, I get you. That's why I said I still expect to see Nadal in the final.
The easiest way to explain what I mean is that nowadays I think Nadal is a safer bet in the 3rd set on best to 2 games then in the 5th set of a best to 3 as opposed to before, where the longer he played the more sure you were he's going to win.

Even in 5th set I'd still give Nadal the advantage. But if I was Schwartzman, I'd try to force long points and more physical tennis.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 08, 2020, 02:28:17 AM

Quote from: Trofo on October 08, 2020, 12:23:36 AM

I am giving chances to both Tsitipas and Schwarzman. Schwarzman already beat Nadal 2 weeks ago so he can do it for sure but it will be much tougher in best of 5 match. That gives Nadal extra security and time to turn things back on his side.

Djokovic had some problems in his last match. I did not watch but read that he battled trough the pain. Probably doesen't mean much but gives another reason to Tsitsipas to stick in the match even if he gets two sets down.

I will probably bet on both underdogs to take at least one set or over games.

I mentioned this somewhere already, we'd all agree on this a few years ago and tell anybody who thinks otherwise that he's crazy.
In this period of time, I'd give Schwartzman more chance of winning in a longer match. Physically, he's a monster and he can run all day. Nadal is a stamina champion but he's getting older and I feel he is not in a position where he feels he'll physically be on top in the 5th set - especially against a player like Schwartzman. The longer it drags on, the more chance I'm giving to Diego.

All that said - I still think it will be another Đoković - Nadal final.

I understand your point and it has its merits. We could argue about Nadal level of fitness but I will not do that simply because I am not sure about it.

My point is made more with thinking about mind games and ease of play. I believe 5 set matches mean a lot to Nadal in a way that he has time to turn things around and therefore he plays better, more freely.
He just looks better overall in 5 set matches, no matter the surface or his stamina. That started as a consequence of his physical preparedness but has developed to psychological component during time.

I can even agree that Schwarzi will have the edge if the match goes to 5th set but my point is that Nadal will play good enough to finish the match before that, because it is best of five match. Hopefully I managed to get the point across, it is a bit of pain to explain it on my second language.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 08, 2020, 12:23:36 AM

I am giving chances to both Tsitipas and Schwarzman. Schwarzman already beat Nadal 2 weeks ago so he can do it for sure but it will be much tougher in best of 5 match. That gives Nadal extra security and time to turn things back on his side.

Djokovic had some problems in his last match. I did not watch but read that he battled trough the pain. Probably doesen't mean much but gives another reason to Tsitsipas to stick in the match even if he gets two sets down.

I will probably bet on both underdogs to take at least one set or over games.

I mentioned this somewhere already, we'd all agree on this a few years ago and tell anybody who thinks otherwise that he's crazy.
In this period of time, I'd give Schwartzman more chance of winning in a longer match. Physically, he's a monster and he can run all day. Nadal is a stamina champion but he's getting older and I feel he is not in a position where he feels he'll physically be on top in the 5th set - especially against a player like Schwartzman. The longer it drags on, the more chance I'm giving to Diego.

All that said - I still think it will be another Đoković - Nadal final.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 08, 2020, 12:23:36 AM

^snip
I will probably bet on both underdogs to take at least one set or over games.

just looking at chances, there is a much value in betting on Schwartzmann, much more than on Tsitsipas, since Djokovic win is around @1.35, which is a good value, maybe even better than something to put on Tsitsipas to win a set or two

but, when i call the form and my view, i think that Djokovic will be in the final for sure, cannot call which way will be to reach it, but he will not lose this semi-final, expect losing his leg or arm before that, so this would probably be my bet for tomorrow

regarding Nadal, his win is really low to bet on, and Schwartzmann is in good form, i do not think that he can tie two wins over Nadal in a row, but one never know, losing in Rome is something that is happening to Nadal (has 9 titles there, so lost almost 50% of all tournaments in Rome when entered a draw), but on RG he has only two upsets, one by Robin Soderling (in a match where Soderling played his career best tennis) and from Djokovic in 2015, but then Nadal was not up to his game that season due to many injuries
long story short, when Nadal reached semi-final, he always won RG, but traditions are there to be thrown away, since his first lost match was in 4th round, second in QF, third should be in semi-final

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 07, 2020, 07:40:41 PM

Quote from: vella85 on October 07, 2020, 04:59:35 PM

Its great to see Stefanos Tsitsipas reach the semi-final but now this will be his toughest test in his short career coming up against Djokovic in a grand slam. I personally would like to see him cause a big upset and make the final but I just think Djokovic will be too strong for him but we just never know as Tsitsipas does seem to playing a lot better on clay then before.

I'm sure Kemarit is very happy with his win against Rublev.

Hahahaha, you beat me to it my friend, put a good bet on Tsitsipas reaching the semis and finals and then boom. Probably he is really a clay player though his form suits better on this surface. But yeah, it will be a big uphill climb for him to beat Djokovic, although Busta was able to snatch the first set against Djokovic, but that's it. Djokovic wake up and took control and winning the last 3 sets. I would love for Tsitsipas to reach the finals so fingers-crossed.

Also the Nadal vs Schwartzman might be a thriller as well as Schwartzman upset Thiem and he knows that beating Nadal will be huge.

I am giving chances to both Tsitipas and Schwarzman. Schwarzman already beat Nadal 2 weeks ago so he can do it for sure but it will be much tougher in best of 5 match. That gives Nadal extra security and time to turn things back on his side.

Djokovic had some problems in his last match. I did not watch but read that he battled trough the pain. Probably doesen't mean much but gives another reason to Tsitsipas to stick in the match even if he gets two sets down.

I will probably bet on both underdogs to take at least one set or over games.

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Quote from: vella85 on October 07, 2020, 04:59:35 PM

Its great to see Stefanos Tsitsipas reach the semi-final but now this will be his toughest test in his short career coming up against Djokovic in a grand slam. I personally would like to see him cause a big upset and make the final but I just think Djokovic will be too strong for him but we just never know as Tsitsipas does seem to playing a lot better on clay then before.

I'm sure Kemarit is very happy with his win against Rublev.

Hahahaha, you beat me to it my friend, put a good bet on Tsitsipas reaching the semis and finals and then boom. Probably he is really a clay player though his form suits better on this surface. But yeah, it will be a big uphill climb for him to beat Djokovic, although Busta was able to snatch the first set against Djokovic, but that's it. Djokovic wake up and took control and winning the last 3 sets. I would love for Tsitsipas to reach the finals so fingers-crossed.

Also the Nadal vs Schwartzman might be a thriller as well as Schwartzman upset Thiem and he knows that beating Nadal will be huge.

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Quote from: babygun on October 07, 2020, 05:16:41 AM

I didn't expect that Thiem would loose against Schwartzman, but Schwartzman seems to be in top shape (also reached the final in Rome).
His chances of winning against Nadal are slim, but I think he is capable of winning one set against him and there is some value on it (@1.85).

This is going to be good match for Nadal as these both have some good history of very thrilling matches in past in Rome he beats Nadal in quarter final and lost against Djokovic but on Clay as Nadal is king I just can hope he won one set because I am feeling Nadal will go past him in strait sets without any tough resistance.

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Its great to see Stefanos Tsitsipas reach the semi-final but now this will be his toughest test in his short career coming up against Djokovic in a grand slam. I personally would like to see him cause a big upset and make the final but I just think Djokovic will be too strong for him but we just never know as Tsitsipas does seem to playing a lot better on clay then before.

I'm sure Kemarit is very happy with his win against Rublev.

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I didn't expect that Thiem would loose against Schwartzman, but Schwartzman seems to be in top shape (also reached the final in Rome).
His chances of winning against Nadal are slim, but I think he is capable of winning one set against him and there is some value on it (@1.85).

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It was a truly great match between Thiem and Schwartzman. Schwartzman is playing great tennis this year and deserves this semi-final.
That is his best Grand Slam result so far, unfortunately I don't give him much chance against Nadal.

It would sound crazy a few years ago but a match on 3 sets might be a bit of an advantage for Schwartzman. If he manages to stay in the match long enough, his chances will increase.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 06, 2020, 01:55:15 PM

Quote from: Indymoney on October 06, 2020, 01:46:37 PM

Thiem out of French Open by 12 seed Schwartzman of Argentia what a marathon match by two players but today Argentian was really on top of his game and player very good now look like we are going to have Nadal vs Djokovic match again as few top ranked players already out now no one can stop them from grabing this years title again.

Watched first 4 sets of the match and it was some really unbelievable play by both players. They had so many points lasting 20+ shots where each of those shots would be enough to finish the point against anybody else (except maybe Nadal or Djoko). Schwarzi got in front almost every set and then Thiem would shift his gears and turn him around.

After Thiem lost that 4th set in tie break after great come back I had a feeling it could end like this so I made a small hedge bet to return at least part of my losses for the day. Now reinvested all of those on Nadal destroying Sinner.

yeah, must say that i expected from Thiem to get that fourth set after what happened, but obviously Diego is more stable player than I expected (most players will just crush after several set points in a row lost), and Thiem did have the strength to finish him, which become really obvious in last set, and it was expected from Diego to end it this way

i do not expect from him to beat Nadal in semi-final, but he could get a set, maybe even two in that match and capitalize on this good form, Nadal lost from him in Rome, and i do not see two lost matches in a row on clay for Nadal, whoever to be the opponent, he studied him very good in the meantime, that is for certain

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Quote from: vella85 on October 06, 2020, 05:15:40 PM

It was always going to be tough for Thiem to win the French Open this year. I normally do put money on him to win but this time I didn't because of the quick back up from the US Open and that he hadn't much rest which I mentioned in here several times. Also having a couple of tough matches didn't help.

Anyway it looks like Nadal is in for a fight right now after a tough first set win but Sinner is really dominating the second set so far up 3-1. I still think Nadal will win the match but Sinner doesn't look like a push over and will give Nadal a fight.

It was a tight win for Nadal in the first set, Sinner come back in the send and tied the score at 4-4. Sinner is really looking good and not to be intimidated by Nadal, let's see how it goes, it could be 2-0 for Nadal or 1-1 for Sinner if he was able to comeback and give Nadal a much difficult match.

Thiem will always be on top as one of the favourites but he always fell short in this tournament good win for Diego Schwartzman, Thiem was just tired in the 5th set and no more energy and gas.

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It was always going to be tough for Thiem to win the French Open this year. I normally do put money on him to win but this time I didn't because of the quick back up from the US Open and that he hadn't much rest which I mentioned in here several times. Also having a couple of tough matches didn't help.

Anyway it looks like Nadal is in for a fight right now after a tough first set win but Sinner is really dominating the second set so far up 3-1. I still think Nadal will win the match but Sinner doesn't look like a push over and will give Nadal a fight.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 06, 2020, 01:55:15 PM

Quote from: Indymoney on October 06, 2020, 01:46:37 PM

Thiem out of French Open by 12 seed Schwartzman of Argentia what a marathon match by two players but today Argentian was really on top of his game and player very good now look like we are going to have Nadal vs Djokovic match again as few top ranked players already out now no one can stop them from grabing this years title again.

Watched first 4 sets of the match and it was some really unbelievable play by both players. They had so many points lasting 20+ shots where each of those shots would be enough to finish the point against anybody else (except maybe Nadal or Djoko). Schwarzi got in front almost every set and then Thiem would shift his gears and turn him around.

After Thiem lost that 4th set in tie break after great come back I had a feeling it could end like this so I made a small hedge bet to return at least part of my losses for the day. Now reinvested all of those on Nadal destroying Sinner.

Nadal is going to be won in strait sets even Sinner is also doing good as he beat Goffin and Zverev but on Clay Nadal is real king so I am feeling this match can end in very quick session as most chances its going to be under in total points with won in strait sets for Nadal.

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Quote from: Indymoney on October 06, 2020, 01:46:37 PM

Thiem out of French Open by 12 seed Schwartzman of Argentia what a marathon match by two players but today Argentian was really on top of his game and player very good now look like we are going to have Nadal vs Djokovic match again as few top ranked players already out now no one can stop them from grabing this years title again.

Watched first 4 sets of the match and it was some really unbelievable play by both players. They had so many points lasting 20+ shots where each of those shots would be enough to finish the point against anybody else (except maybe Nadal or Djoko). Schwarzi got in front almost every set and then Thiem would shift his gears and turn him around.

After Thiem lost that 4th set in tie break after great come back I had a feeling it could end like this so I made a small hedge bet to return at least part of my losses for the day. Now reinvested all of those on Nadal destroying Sinner.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 06, 2020, 03:48:06 AM

Quote from: casperBGD on October 06, 2020, 03:31:23 AM

Thiem is a favorite against Schwartzmann, and the quote is @1.45, which seems pretty good bet from my side of view
although Schwartzmann has won over Nadal in Rome, and reached final there, i would not call that as his success, it is rather Nadal lost that match, and it seems that Thiem is in really good form, had a little turn-down against Gaston, but after winning matches like that, player is just stronger, so will put something on him, and even on handicap -1.5 for Thiem, do not think that Schwartzmann will take two sets

I have exact same bets on Thiem today, ML and set handicap. I agree with your assessment and think Thiem will get this even without dropping a set. Granted I did not watch him against Gaston so I could be a bit bit overconfinden Grin

I played same bets yesterday on Rublev and it barely passed. Hopefully, it will be easier today.

Thiem out of French Open by 12 seed Schwartzman of Argentia what a marathon match by two players but today Argentian was really on top of his game and player very good now look like we are going to have Nadal vs Djokovic match again as few top ranked players already out now no one can stop them from grabing this years title again.

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Quote from: casperBGD on October 06, 2020, 03:31:23 AM

Thiem is a favorite against Schwartzmann, and the quote is @1.45, which seems pretty good bet from my side of view
although Schwartzmann has won over Nadal in Rome, and reached final there, i would not call that as his success, it is rather Nadal lost that match, and it seems that Thiem is in really good form, had a little turn-down against Gaston, but after winning matches like that, player is just stronger, so will put something on him, and even on handicap -1.5 for Thiem, do not think that Schwartzmann will take two sets

I have exact same bets on Thiem today, ML and set handicap. I agree with your assessment and think Thiem will get this even without dropping a set. Granted I did not watch him against Gaston so I could be a bit bit overconfinden Grin

I played same bets yesterday on Rublev and it barely passed. Hopefully, it will be easier today.

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Quote from: babygun on October 05, 2020, 01:37:39 PM

Tsitsipas just won in 3 straight sets from Dimitrov; Rublev is his next opponent.

I'll be bias on Tsitsipas I think it will be a great match, but eventually Tsitsipas in five. And it looks like found his form in clay.

Quote from: babygun on October 05, 2020, 01:37:39 PM

Who do you guys think will win the US Open on the Women side? Halep was my topfavorite, but she is already out (as a lot of other top seeds). I think that Kvitova, Svitolina and Kenin have the best chances to win the title.

Women's side is very unpredictable, Kvitova, Svitolina comes into my mind with a good chance this year. As for Thiem vs Schwartzmann, I will be favoring Thiem, his showing nice form here, his best I would say, so it will be very difficult for Schwartzmann unless he really play as perfect match against Thiem.

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Thiem is a favorite against Schwartzmann, and the quote is @1.45, which seems pretty good bet from my side of view
although Schwartzmann has won over Nadal in Rome, and reached final there, i would not call that as his success, it is rather Nadal lost that match, and it seems that Thiem is in really good form, had a little turn-down against Gaston, but after winning matches like that, player is just stronger, so will put something on him, and even on handicap -1.5 for Thiem, do not think that Schwartzmann will take two sets

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