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Quote from: JSRAW on October 24, 2019, 03:40:32 AM

I agree with you that most of the revenue comes from the TV right but we can't deny that Empty stadium looks bad during the international game.

If I am not wrong, the cheapest tickets for one day of international test match is placed at around $10. This may look very insignificant to those living in the Western nations. But for the vast majority of the Indians, this amount is more than their daily wages. So if they reduce the ticket prices to somewhere around $2, then they'll be able to attract much larger crowds.

There is a lot of interest for cricket in India, and I have seen crowd numbering thousands even for Ranji Trophy matches. If we have empty stadiums during international matches, then the only reason is the high ticket prices. I have heard that in Pakistan and Sri Lanka, the lowest tier of the tickets are priced at $2-3. The BCCI can also follow their example.

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Quote from: teosanru on October 23, 2019, 01:38:41 PM

I think this would be more of a test for Pakistan as they are just coming after losing T20s against Sri Lanka at their home ground and now immediately they will be facing Australia who are considered a good team atleast at their own fortress.

T20 is a young mans game, you need to be athletic in the field and one over could change the match, Sri Lanka came with a young team and cleaned the T20 series but Pakistan dominated in the other formats but touring Australia is a hard battle even with an experienced Pakistan side and if they can put up some good performance no one will blame a young side even if they are defeated.

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 24, 2019, 01:36:42 AM

Quote from: Little Mouse on October 23, 2019, 10:29:15 PM

Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

So the strike was regarding the pay structure and the cricket board accepted the players demands Shocked

. What are these 11 demands by the players apart from increase in the payment, really Bangladesh is the 4 th richest cricket board Shocked

, first will be India i guess as they control most of the things for a long time and then England and Australia could be in the list if i am not wrong.

It's not only about pay structure, there are some more, which have been attached below. I have heard in a news that Bangladesh is the 4th richest cricket board although it's being shown as 5th here- https://sportycious.com/richest-cricket-boards-world-91423

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 23, 2019, 08:52:25 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 23, 2019, 03:06:48 PM

Those in favor would argue that if any venue in India is not able to attract the crowd for Test Match then " Rotation policy of venue" it sound illogical. Virat's concern was only regarding Test format and he's right when he make case for " Empty Stadium". All venue i mentioned attracts crowd in the Test Cricket, i might have missed couple of venues tho.

T-20 and ODI are not problem in India, historically shorter format always attracts crowd anywhere in India. So it should be same in Darjeeling, Gangtok, Imphal etc if any games are schedule there in future.

Test crowd numbers are going down, even in grounds such as Eden gardens, Wankhede and Kotla. The cricket fans are rapidly shifting to the T20 format at a rapid pace. And does it really makes a difference if the attendance is 10,000 instead of 40,000? Because nowadays, most of the revenue comes from the TV rights and not from the gate collection.

Numbers are going down but i have seen thousands of spectators in Kotla ground even for Domestic matches so its not rocket science to attract crowd for International games. Historically Eden gardens and Wankhede attracts crowd for Test Match (Hope we are going to witness good crowd for IND vs BAN). I believe attendance of 10k makes a big difference. if each day 10k people attending the game then total amount of spectators are 50K for 5 days game. BCCI should work on how to increase 10 k mark to 20K and so on.

I agree with you that most of the revenue comes from the TV right but we can't deny that Empty stadium looks bad during the international game.

Quote from: Avirunes on October 23, 2019, 09:39:14 PM

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Maybe like promoting certain Test tour with status just like Ashes does the trick. You know how good the Ashes crowd looks, wished we had the same in here. I think choosing particular venue where decent crowd comes is ok but they should target to increase that figures as well.

Agree, In England and Australia they have fixed ground for Test Matches.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on October 23, 2019, 10:29:15 PM

Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

Good to hear. Anyway, I am expecting India to decimate Bangladesh and we might witness another whitewash since the current Bangladesh lineup are not in good form except for certain players like Shakib etc.

Quote from: onrise on October 24, 2019, 01:26:37 AM

Also Bangladesh would have to play their best cricket in order to come close or India or beat them in coming matches .

Beat them? Seriously? What makes you think that Bangladesh stand a chance against a team like India who are rampaging at the moment? Its basically India vs the World at this point and I am expecting another whitewash here.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on October 23, 2019, 10:29:15 PM

Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

So the strike was regarding the pay structure and the cricket board accepted the players demands Shocked

. What are these 11 demands by the players apart from increase in the payment, really Bangladesh is the 4 th richest cricket board Shocked

, first will be India i guess as they control most of the things for a long time and then England and Australia could be in the list if i am not wrong.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on October 23, 2019, 10:29:15 PM

Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

Cricket would not suffer due to the board issue and people would be able to enjoy the match between Ban vs India . Also Bangladesh would have to play their best cricket in order to come close or India or beat them in coming matches .

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Quote from: Little Mouse on October 23, 2019, 10:29:15 PM

Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

When is that series scheduled and who will host it ? India or Bangladesh.
Also Pakistan Vs Australia series coming in November, so these are just few boring days with no cricket.

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Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 23, 2019, 03:06:48 PM

Those in favor would argue that if any venue in India is not able to attract the crowd for Test Match then " Rotation policy of venue" it sound illogical. Virat's concern was only regarding Test format and he's right when he make case for " Empty Stadium". All venue i mentioned attracts crowd in the Test Cricket, i might have missed couple of venues tho.

T-20 and ODI are not problem in India, historically shorter format always attracts crowd anywhere in India. So it should be same in Darjeeling, Gangtok, Imphal etc if any games are schedule there in future.

Maybe like promoting certain Test tour with status just like Ashes does the trick. You know how good the Ashes crowd looks, wished we had the same in here. I think choosing particular venue where decent crowd comes is ok but they should target to increase that figures as well.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 23, 2019, 03:06:48 PM

Those in favor would argue that if any venue in India is not able to attract the crowd for Test Match then " Rotation policy of venue" it sound illogical. Virat's concern was only regarding Test format and he's right when he make case for " Empty Stadium". All venue i mentioned attracts crowd in the Test Cricket, i might have missed couple of venues tho.

T-20 and ODI are not problem in India, historically shorter format always attracts crowd anywhere in India. So it should be same in Darjeeling, Gangtok, Imphal etc if any games are schedule there in future.

Test crowd numbers are going down, even in grounds such as Eden gardens, Wankhede and Kotla. The cricket fans are rapidly shifting to the T20 format at a rapid pace. And does it really makes a difference if the attendance is 10,000 instead of 40,000? Because nowadays, most of the revenue comes from the TV rights and not from the gate collection.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 23, 2019, 04:30:36 AM

~snip~.

Eden garden ( Kolkatta)
Kotla, (Delhi) - not in winter though.
Mohali (Punjab)
Chinnaswamy (Bengluru)
Wankhede, Nagpur, Ahmedabad, Kanpur, Hyderabad

There are a total of 37 first class sides in India and limiting the test match hosting rights to just 10 of them would be plain discriminatory. Recently some of the smaller boards have built very beautiful cricket grounds, such as the Himachal Pradesh Cricket Association Stadium at Dharamshala and Jharkhand States Cricket Association International Cricket Stadium at Ranchi.

India is a vast country, and I won't be surprised if international cricket is played on cities such as Darjeeling, Gangtok, Imphal, Srinagar.etc in the near future. All these cities are very scenic and people would love going to these localities. Also I have heard that the road and rail connectivity to these cities are going through upgrades.

Those in favor would argue that if any venue in India is not able to attract the crowd for Test Match then " Rotation policy of venue" it sound illogical. Virat's concern was only regarding Test format and he's right when he make case for " Empty Stadium". All venue i mentioned attracts crowd in the Test Cricket, i might have missed couple of venues tho.

T-20 and ODI are not problem in India, historically shorter format always attracts crowd anywhere in India. So it should be same in Darjeeling, Gangtok, Imphal etc if any games are schedule there in future.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 23, 2019, 03:36:02 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 23, 2019, 03:06:39 AM

Anyways, Interesting statement on Empty Stands from Indian Captain. Yesterday Kohli said that for test cricket India needs to fix 5 test Venue in India and abolish the rotation policy for Test cricket only, no need to touch for T-20/ODI. (i agree may be 5-8 fixed venue for test).

We should have five strong Test Venue in India: Kohli

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"Look, you want to keep Test cricket alive and exciting, I totally agree with the fact that we should have five Test centres at max. It can't be sporadic and spread over so many places where people turn up or they don't," Kohli said on Tuesday (October 22) in Ranchi. "We have been discussing this for a long time now, and in my opinion we should have five Test centres. Period."

India play at well-established venues whenever they travel overseas to destinations like England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand or even Sri Lanka. Kohli said that knowing the venues and the kind of challenges that come bundled with it, becomes a challenge it itself

Interesting idea of fixing some venues for Test series but will it really solve the problem? I have my doubts . Maybe people don't feel like coming since Test is kinda slow and some people think it as less exciting. Still what goes on trying? Lets try it.

Its not going to end problem as now its very hard for Boards to bring peoples in test matches even this Kohli idea is not good India is very big country and they cannot fix just 5 test centers they need to work on pitches may be this could solve issue but if they have project like this then surely first try to work on this and check which centers have more peoples then can do this but supporting pitches can do much better.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 23, 2019, 12:03:43 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 23, 2019, 04:30:36 AM

There are good amount of places in India where Test match attract good amount of crowd no matter if its weekend or not and then there are few places which already has rich history of Test Cricket. guess we might go back to Jagmohan Dalmiya's 10 fixed venues formula for test, sounds good to me and day night format can do some magic too.

Eden garden ( Kolkatta)
Kotla, (Delhi) - not in winter though.
Mohali (Punjab)
Chinnaswamy (Bengluru)
Wankhede, Nagpur, Ahmedabad, Kanpur, Hyderabad

There are a total of 37 first class sides in India and limiting the test match hosting rights to just 10 of them would be plain discriminatory. Recently some of the smaller boards have built very beautiful cricket grounds, such as the Himachal Pradesh Cricket Association Stadium at Dharamshala and Jharkhand States Cricket Association International Cricket Stadium at Ranchi.

India is a vast country, and I won't be surprised if international cricket is played on cities such as Darjeeling, Gangtok, Imphal, Srinagar.etc in the near future. All these cities are very scenic and people would love going to these localities. Also I have heard that the road and rail connectivity to these cities are going through upgrades.

I think these cities which you are mentioning are a bit remote than the rest of the cities. Moreover, except for the Dharasala Stadium we haven't seen many cities situated in mountain region building their stadiums. It's pretty tough on such terrains to create a stadium with significant capacity. Also more often you see weather changes destroying the pitches as there is a long reigning rains and winter in such cities.

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The Test series i am looking forward is Pakistan tour of Australia next month and i am expecting Smith to continue his form, it will be a good battle for Pakistan as they have a new captain and a new team and i expect them to find it hard to handle the Australian bowling line up as it is difficult for a subcontinent team to challenge Australia Wink

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I think this would be more of a test for Pakistan as they are just coming after losing T20s against Sri Lanka at their home ground and now immediately they will be facing Australia who are considered a good team atleast at their own fortress.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 23, 2019, 04:30:36 AM

There are good amount of places in India where Test match attract good amount of crowd no matter if its weekend or not and then there are few places which already has rich history of Test Cricket. guess we might go back to Jagmohan Dalmiya's 10 fixed venues formula for test, sounds good to me and day night format can do some magic too.

Eden garden ( Kolkatta)
Kotla, (Delhi) - not in winter though.
Mohali (Punjab)
Chinnaswamy (Bengluru)
Wankhede, Nagpur, Ahmedabad, Kanpur, Hyderabad

There are a total of 37 first class sides in India and limiting the test match hosting rights to just 10 of them would be plain discriminatory. Recently some of the smaller boards have built very beautiful cricket grounds, such as the Himachal Pradesh Cricket Association Stadium at Dharamshala and Jharkhand States Cricket Association International Cricket Stadium at Ranchi.

India is a vast country, and I won't be surprised if international cricket is played on cities such as Darjeeling, Gangtok, Imphal, Srinagar.etc in the near future. All these cities are very scenic and people would love going to these localities. Also I have heard that the road and rail connectivity to these cities are going through upgrades.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 23, 2019, 03:36:02 AM

~snip~
Interesting idea of fixing some venues for Test series but will it really solve the problem? I have my doubts . Maybe people don't feel like coming since Test is kinda slow and some people think it as less exciting. Still what goes on trying? Lets try it.

There are good amount of places in India where Test match attract good amount of crowd no matter if its weekend or not and then there are few places which already has rich history of Test Cricket. guess we might go back to Jagmohan Dalmiya's 10 fixed venues formula for test, sounds good to me and day night format can do some magic too.

Eden garden ( Kolkatta)
Kotla, (Delhi) - not in winter though.
Mohali (Punjab)
Chinnaswamy (Bengluru)
Wankhede, Nagpur, Ahmedabad, Kanpur, Hyderabad

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 23, 2019, 03:36:02 AM

Interesting idea of fixing some venues for Test series but will it really solve the problem? I have my doubts . Maybe people don't feel like coming since Test is kinda slow and some people think it as less exciting. Still what goes on trying? Lets try it.

If there is a fixed amount of venues for Test series it will not solve the problem, now a days the stadium is filled by school and college students and if there is are fixed venues how will they solve the issue of attracting fans, if there is a diversification of matches throughout the season then you might see people coming to the stadium to watch the matches and then India should also try day night Test matches and see the response and i am sure they will get more audience for day night Test matches.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 23, 2019, 01:50:22 AM

Don't jump to conclusions. Do you remember what happened to Pakistan against a fresh Sri Lankan team recently? The same could happen to Australia if the new changes prove to be great for the new and improved Pakistan team.

It is possible that a new Pakistan team could challenge Australia in T20 but to challenge in a test series is difficult as you need to have experience to play in bouncy tracks and subcontinent players are not that good in dealing with bouncy green pitches as they never played in those pitches in their entire career and to expect an instant result is impossible, it will be a good test for Pakistan and a learning experience and if they are able to defeat Australia or even challenge them then it will be considered as a win.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 23, 2019, 03:06:39 AM

Anyways, Interesting statement on Empty Stands from Indian Captain. Yesterday Kohli said that for test cricket India needs to fix 5 test Venue in India and abolish the rotation policy for Test cricket only, no need to touch for T-20/ODI. (i agree may be 5-8 fixed venue for test).

We should have five strong Test Venue in India: Kohli

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"Look, you want to keep Test cricket alive and exciting, I totally agree with the fact that we should have five Test centres at max. It can't be sporadic and spread over so many places where people turn up or they don't," Kohli said on Tuesday (October 22) in Ranchi. "We have been discussing this for a long time now, and in my opinion we should have five Test centres. Period."

India play at well-established venues whenever they travel overseas to destinations like England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand or even Sri Lanka. Kohli said that knowing the venues and the kind of challenges that come bundled with it, becomes a challenge it itself

Interesting idea of fixing some venues for Test series but will it really solve the problem? I have my doubts . Maybe people don't feel like coming since Test is kinda slow and some people think it as less exciting. Still what goes on trying? Lets try it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 22, 2019, 12:07:49 PM

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but they become paper tigers abroad. The same can be said about the bowler as well. Apart from Jasprit Bumrah, none of the Indian bowlers have the ability to perform abroad in a consistent manner.

Guess you missed the Seamers performance in 2018. Batsmen and captaincy (Selection) let down Indian team otherwise Indian team was supposed to Win in SouthAfrica 2-1 and In England all batsmen performed badly be it English or Indians, Except Kohli and English Tailenders.

I never said that the Indian seamers performed badly abroad. On the other hand, they are the only group of players performing on a consistent basis. Others (batsmen and the spinners) fail to perform in a convincing manner when matches occur outside the subcontinent. Well... Virat Kohli is an exception, as he performs irrespective of the nature of the pitch and the strength of the opposition bowling attack. And the Indian batting record abroad would look pathetic, if you take out Kohli from the playing XI.

Well i get the feeling that you were talking about Bumrah only. But please don't think that i am defending poor performance of Indian team in SA,ENG tours.

Anyways, Interesting statement on Empty Stands from Indian Captain. Yesterday Kohli said that for test cricket India needs to fix 5 test Venue in India and abolish the rotation policy for Test cricket only, no need to touch for T-20/ODI. (i agree may be 5-8 fixed venue for test).

We should have five strong Test Venue in India: Kohli

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"Look, you want to keep Test cricket alive and exciting, I totally agree with the fact that we should have five Test centres at max. It can't be sporadic and spread over so many places where people turn up or they don't," Kohli said on Tuesday (October 22) in Ranchi. "We have been discussing this for a long time now, and in my opinion we should have five Test centres. Period."

India play at well-established venues whenever they travel overseas to destinations like England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand or even Sri Lanka. Kohli said that knowing the venues and the kind of challenges that come bundled with it, becomes a challenge it itself

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