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Quote from: Haunebu on July 29, 2019, 07:39:08 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on July 29, 2019, 05:13:05 AM

^ Yeah, all formalities and meeting took place in India ,Calcutta last year. overall its very good move from ICC to revive Test Cricket among the test playing nations. having said that i do have some reservation regarding financial setup (digging more) and point-match system.

Financial setup? What do you mean? Are there some flaws regarding money management in this regard or is it something else? I did hear that ICC might be looking into the boundary count rule to decide winner later on thanks to public outcry.

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So i have a genuine doubt here, since World cup cricket is not shared even when there was a tie even in the super overs and we all know that in test matches there will be a draw as you cannot expect a result in a test match all the time, so if that happens will there be a super over to determine the test champion or whether they will share the test championship. There is even a possibility of a tie in test matches, i know these are very rare but you cannot rule out those situations.

I don't think that in case the test match ends in a draw, they'll call for super-over. ICC will be more interested in declaring the winner based on their ridiculous rules (just like the maximum boundary rule they had for the CWC finals). For example, they can declare the team which bowled the least extras as winners. Or it could be the team which contributes the most to the ICC in terms of revenue. You never know these crazy people and the rules they make. Their aim is not to award the match to the team which performed the best.

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99% chances are that we are not going to see same result in this kind of scenario ever. In case final match ends with the draw then top ranking team in terms of points will get automatically declared as a winner.

Quote from: erikalui on July 29, 2019, 10:10:18 AM

Espn has released this information as draw possibilities are higher when it comes to test matches.

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If the final ends in a tie or a draw, the two teams will be joint champions. Although the playing conditions allow for a reserve day, it can only be used if net playing time is lost during the scheduled five days of the final. Net playing time for every Test amounts to 30 hours of play (six hours per day).

The reserve day is only going to make it worse as again it will be June 2021 and the finals will be played in UK. Another rain wash. But I am glad they will chose to make both teams joint winners.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27279509/faqs-happens-world-test-championship-final-ends-draw-tie

erikalui : ~~Not sure if that's fullproof judgement.~~ If this is from ICC then it could be true but in case its just a speculation from ESPNcricinfo then i am not sure about that because i didn't find any official statement from ICC's representatives so far.

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Espn has released this information as draw possibilities are higher when it comes to test matches.

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If the final ends in a tie or a draw, the two teams will be joint champions. Although the playing conditions allow for a reserve day, it can only be used if net playing time is lost during the scheduled five days of the final. Net playing time for every Test amounts to 30 hours of play (six hours per day).

The reserve day is only going to make it worse as again it will be June 2021 and the finals will be played in UK. Another rain wash. But I am glad they will chose to make both teams joint winners.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27279509/faqs-happens-world-test-championship-final-ends-draw-tie

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 29, 2019, 07:39:08 AM

That is the goal. I have never been a test match fan myself, but I will be keeping a close eye on these matches going forward especially concerning my favorite teams(India, Aus etc). Just imagine the odds offered on the outrights for this tournament.

So i have a genuine doubt here, since World cup cricket is not shared even when there was a tie even in the super overs and we all know that in test matches there will be a draw as you cannot expect a result in a test match all the time, so if that happens will there be a super over to determine the test champion Cheesy

or whether they will share the test championship. There is even a possibility of a tie in test matches, i know these are very rare but you cannot rule out those situations.

I don't think that in case the test match ends in a draw, they'll call for super-over. ICC will be more interested in declaring the winner based on their ridiculous rules (just like the maximum boundary rule they had for the CWC finals). For example, they can declare the team which bowled the least extras as winners. Or it could be the team which contributes the most to the ICC in terms of revenue. You never know these crazy people and the rules they make. Their aim is not to award the match to the team which performed the best.

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Two years long tournament, provably (well it is) the longest tournament in the history but this is exciting. I read the information from JSRAW, eaLiTy and I did some digging on google too. I was not informed until today before seeing a post from Haunebu

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27 series, 72 Test Matches

https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/1296025

This tells all.

My understanding is that: It's just some point system for a certain time of period for the bilateral serieses that are scheduled in ICC calendar. Those who will have most points from top two, they will play a final to find a world champion.

In superbru, I could not find any tournament or I was really interested to create a pool. It could be the longest pool every LOL

Edit: About the value for final, I think a neutral location will be fair. Say England make the top two then playing in England obviously will bring them advantage.

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Here is a detailed feature about the test championships in Cricinfo

The respective boards will determine whether they will be playing in accordance with the test championship and i am not sure how there can be a fair call if everyone is looking to win the test championship and the example that is cited in the site is the series between New Zealand v England in November which will be played according to the ICC tour program but will not be considered in the world test championship. I am sure it will confuse everyone on how they determine these things, let the journey begins and will understand them better in the future.

Contents are taken from espncricinfo.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 29, 2019, 07:39:08 AM

That is the goal. I have never been a test match fan myself, but I will be keeping a close eye on these matches going forward especially concerning my favorite teams(India, Aus etc). Just imagine the odds offered on the outrights for this tournament.

So i have a genuine doubt here, since World cup cricket is not shared even when there was a tie even in the super overs and we all know that in test matches there will be a draw as you cannot expect a result in a test match all the time, so if that happens will there be a super over to determine the test champion Cheesy

or whether they will share the test championship. There is even a possibility of a tie in test matches, i know these are very rare but you cannot rule out those situations.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 29, 2019, 05:13:05 AM

^ Yeah, all formalities and meeting took place in India ,Calcutta last year. overall its very good move from ICC to revive Test Cricket among the test playing nations. having said that i do have some reservation regarding financial setup (digging more) and point-match system.

Financial setup? What do you mean? Are there some flaws regarding money management in this regard or is it something else? I did hear that ICC might be looking into the boundary count rule to decide winner later on thanks to public outcry.

Quote from: eaLiTy on July 29, 2019, 05:29:50 AM

I did not knew that there was a new development to revive test cricket and it is a great initiative by the ICC to have some interest in test matches but two years is a very long time and i am sure everyone wants to win the inaugural test championship as it will be a historic event and did they announce the prize to be distributed to become the test champions. It means that every test match counts and there wont be a dull match even if the series is decided from now on and that is interesting to hear.

That is the goal. I have never been a test match fan myself, but I will be keeping a close eye on these matches going forward especially concerning my favorite teams(India, Aus etc). Just imagine the odds offered on the outrights for this tournament.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 29, 2019, 03:51:48 AM

Woah. 2 freaking years and the final is on June 2021. What in the world? This could actually makes test matches really exciting again in my opinion. Am still stunned to learn this. Whoever lifts the first test World trophy in 2021 will be really proud of themselves.

I did not knew that there was a new development to revive test cricket and it is a great initiative by the ICC to have some interest in test matches but two years is a very long time and i am sure everyone wants to win the inaugural test championship as it will be a historic event and did they announce the prize to be distributed to become the test champions. It means that every test match counts and there wont be a dull match even if the series is decided from now on and that is interesting to hear.

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^ Yeah, all formalities and meeting took place in India ,Calcutta last year. overall its very good move from ICC to revive Test Cricket among the test playing nations. having said that i do have some reservation regarding financial setup (digging more) and point-match system.

Quote from: erikalui on July 27, 2019, 11:16:30 AM

I don't get why they get no other place to host the Test WC except for England and now I also believe that it's in favor of England.

1. Only Final is schedule in England, Lords -still not final i guess- ( plus home matches for England)
2. Its not in favor of any team - Every team will play same amount of series " 3-3 series away from home and at home"

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Also, the format is so confusing. First 5 matches of Aus and Eng on 1st August, then 2 matches of other team and here India and Pakistan are not playing against each other so no cricket tension for both.

3. Total 9 teams are participating in it and current schedule is based on existing bilateral structure where any nation can opt for 6 different opponents. its for every team and India don't want to play against Pakistan in any bilateral series due to political crisis between both countries.

4. 5 match and 2 match scenario is based on Financial terms In my point of view ( Big 3 team Aus, Ind,Eng) playing 5-4 matches against each others because it generate more revenue in comparison of Windies- Pak-SL-Ban-NZ or in some extent SA. ( i don't mind this much because ICC need fuel to run all system otherwise it will crumble)

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But still how are they going to decide the winner by having irregular number of matches between 2 teams?

I have some doubt on point table but as far as i understand more matches doesn't mean that you are getting more points.

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https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/1296025

Woah. 2 freaking years and the final is on June 2021. What in the world? This could actually makes test matches really exciting again in my opinion. Am still stunned to learn this. Whoever lifts the first test World trophy in 2021 will be really proud of themselves.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 26, 2019, 09:48:12 AM

Pathetic performance by Ireland. It was the worst performance by any team in a test match. The ICC should seriously consider revoking their test status and reconsider the decision only when they are 100% sure of their competitiveness. Their appalling performance brought disgrace to all the emerging teams and now test nations would be reluctant to stage any matches against these lesser teams.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 27, 2019, 01:12:03 PM

Anyone agree with me that the ICC should revoke the test status of Ireland? Their performance was really horrible and I have a feeling that test matches should be limited to those teams with international standard. Ireland comes nowhere close. Afghanistan is doing well, so I would suggest the ICC to revoke the test status of Zimbabwe and Ireland, to make it a ten team affair.

No, not me Cheesy

Give them some time, they are just couple of matches old. India, South Africa, New Zealand took more than one decade to register their first win so i am sure new test playing nations will come along soon.

And Worst performance record belongs to Kiwis team. 26 runs all out.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 26, 2019, 04:20:33 AM

BTW, someone had claimed that 9 out of the 11 members of the Irish squad were born in England. This is not true. Check this:

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That was me Cry

i didn't looked into it, but i remember reading this somewhere. can't find the source, guess i am victim of fake or BS news

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 28, 2019, 06:27:55 AM

Ireland did not defeated England but they were close to give a big upset.

That is exactly what I was trying to say. They got close, but England easily defeated them at the end of the day. This is why it is worth betting on certain teams at short odds now and then. I know many people who won reasonable profits in this manner.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 28, 2019, 06:27:55 AM

I know a lot of people who were gambling in the favor of England couldn't sleep properly when they saw England were all out on 85. However England managed to win in the end and thus a lot of gamblers money were saved.

Any gamble carries an amount of risk with it. That is the reality. However, I like betting on long odds primarily and short odds secondarily especially with accumulators.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 28, 2019, 03:40:12 AM

You are all wrong there :-P
Ireland with Afghanistan got their Test status on 22 June 2017. Read this news: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/19705648/afghanistan-ireland-get-test-status
The last test against England was their 3rd test if I am not wrong. First one was against Pakistan (lost by 5 wickets), 2nd one was against Afghanistan (lost by 7 wickets) and the latest one was against England. All three were internationally recorded. Not warm up or that kind.

ICC does have a strict policy to play against every test playing nations in a particular designated period and i was not aware of their test status and they have not played much test matches either in the the past two years after getting the test status against any other nation, so i am not sure what is the point in granting them a test status if none of the other test playing nations are not willing to play a series with these two nations.

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This is not true as in such matches you get very low odds for the strong team. Also it is risky because in case of upset you will lose all your money and in case of win, the winning percentage is not good at all.

Some profit is better than nothing at all and upsets in such matches rarely happen. For example, did Ireland defeat England recently? I know that all it takes is 1 big loss to wash away the profits, but many people still enjoy betting at low odds.

This is also why many people like betting over 0.5 and under 6.5 or 7.5 in a soccer match.

Ireland did not defeated England but they were close to give a big upset. I know a lot of people who were gambling in the favor of England couldn't sleep properly when they saw England were all out on 85. However England managed to win in the end and thus a lot of gamblers money were saved.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 28, 2019, 05:15:41 AM

This is not true as in such matches you get very low odds for the strong team. Also it is risky because in case of upset you will lose all your money and in case of win, the winning percentage is not good at all.

Some profit is better than nothing at all and upsets in such matches rarely happen. For example, did Ireland defeat England recently? I know that all it takes is 1 big loss to wash away the profits, but many people still enjoy betting at low odds.

This is also why many people like betting over 0.5 and under 6.5 or 7.5 in a soccer match.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 28, 2019, 03:02:51 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 28, 2019, 01:02:21 AM

You mean to say that ICC should the schedule tournaments for the teams like Ireland and Zimbabwe to play 5 or more tests per year with the main teams like Australia, India , Pakistan etc. This will be extremely infeasible as they will not be able to generate any revenue from them. Also from the viewers point of view no one will like to watch these one sided test matches.

This is true, but the people betting on heavy favorites in this case will earn a lot through these games. However, I don't really see the entertainment value in such games which is why I agree with you here.

Watching big teams play tests is itself boring, but watching small teams like Ireland play in tests is even more horrible in this regard. I literally just watched the highlights on youtube thanks to the ICC channel.

This is not true as in such matches you get very low odds for the strong team. Also it is risky because in case of upset you will lose all your money and in case of win, the winning percentage is not good at all.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on July 28, 2019, 02:41:33 AM

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Zimbabwe is already suspended by ICC and they cannot participate in any ICC events in the future and the funds has already ended because of the political intervention in cricket and it all happened recently, Ireland does not have a test status, England played a one off test match as a warm up match before the Ashes and other than that i do not think they have a status till now. Afghanistan is doing well in ODI but test match cricket is a different ball game all together.

You are all wrong there :-P

Ireland with Afghanistan got their Test status on 22 June 2017. Read this news: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/19705648/afghanistan-ireland-get-test-status

The last test against England was their 3rd test if I am not wrong. First one was against Pakistan (lost by 5 wickets), 2nd one was against Afghanistan (lost by 7 wickets) and the latest one was against England. All three were internationally recorded. Not warm up or that kind.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 28, 2019, 01:02:21 AM

You mean to say that ICC should the schedule tournaments for the teams like Ireland and Zimbabwe to play 5 or more tests per year with the main teams like Australia, India , Pakistan etc. This will be extremely infeasible as they will not be able to generate any revenue from them. Also from the viewers point of view no one will like to watch these one sided test matches.

This is true, but the people betting on heavy favorites in this case will earn a lot through these games. However, I don't really see the entertainment value in such games which is why I agree with you here.

Watching big teams play tests is itself boring, but watching small teams like Ireland play in tests is even more horrible in this regard. I literally just watched the highlights on youtube thanks to the ICC channel.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 27, 2019, 01:12:03 PM

Anyone agree with me that the ICC should revoke the test status of Ireland? Their performance was really horrible and I have a feeling that test matches should be limited to those teams with international standard. Ireland comes nowhere close. Afghanistan is doing well, so I would suggest the ICC to revoke the test status of Zimbabwe and Ireland, to make it a ten team affair.

Zimbabwe is already suspended by ICC and they cannot participate in any ICC events in the future and the funds has already ended because of the political intervention in cricket and it all happened recently, Ireland does not have a test status, England played a one off test match as a warm up match before the Ashes and other than that i do not think they have a status till now. Afghanistan is doing well in ODI but test match cricket is a different ball game all together.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 28, 2019, 01:02:21 AM

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Countries like Ireland, Zimbabwe can't olay much test cricket, not even ODI. High rank team has more matches despite low teams. This is one of the reason, a low team can't gain enough experience. I don't think it will be easy for them to fight against a bigger team who play 5-6 times or more than lower. They have better chance to.win against a lower team.

They can invite top ranked team, although most team will not play. I guess that's not good of ICC, they must allow each teams to play at least 5-10 tests in a year, it would help them improve.

You mean to say that ICC should the schedule tournaments for the teams like Ireland and Zimbabwe to play 5 or more tests per year with the main teams like Australia, India , Pakistan etc. This will be extremely infeasible as they will not be able to generate any revenue from them. Also from the viewers point of view no one will like to watch these one sided test matches.

While you are correct that from those matches, ICC will not be able to generate revenue, in my opinion, ICC must have allow kind of subsidies for the globalization of cricket. In that case, low performed team would have better performance.

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