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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 29, 2019, 12:10:23 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 29, 2019, 12:02:37 PM

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I couldn't watch the game, but from the scorecard it looks like Mitchell Starc cleaned up the lower order in very quick time. He took 3 wickets in a single over, to finish with 46/3. I want Australia to go for the 4th test with four pacers (Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Siddle), with part time spin from Marnus Labuschagne and Steven Smith as the slower options.

I was always missing Starc in the last three matches. If Starc were there then may be we would not see Australia to lose the last test. Starc is very good to wrap up the tail enders quickly. It's beyond my imagination that why did the management lost confidence from Starc. I hope to see him in the next Test.

As like Indian Cricket Board there might be some internal politics which has kept Starc out of the last three matches. As said Starc is a strong player to take away the end wickets, but I don't think his presence could've taken the wicket of Stokes. The entire team has been targeting him, and at some point he started aggressive game, by that time he could've caught or bowled and send to the pavilion.

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So everyone agrees that Starc needs to be included in the playing XI for the 4th test. It was very unfair to him, to be overlooked in favor of James Pattinson and Peter Siddle. Both Pattinson and Siddle performed well during patches, but on few occasions they were able to break an established partnership. They conceded a lot of runs against the English lower order as well.

Australia made the mistake by including just one spinner in their squad. They should have included Adam Zampa as well. As I can see, Nathan Lyon has been performing very poorly for the last two matches and even then he'll get a slot in the playing XI for the next match. I would recommend Australia dropping Lyon and going with 4 pacers.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 29, 2019, 12:10:23 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 29, 2019, 12:02:37 PM

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I couldn't watch the game, but from the scorecard it looks like Mitchell Starc cleaned up the lower order in very quick time. He took 3 wickets in a single over, to finish with 46/3. I want Australia to go for the 4th test with four pacers (Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Siddle), with part time spin from Marnus Labuschagne and Steven Smith as the slower options.

I was always missing Starc in the last three matches. If Starc were there then may be we would not see Australia to lose the last test. Starc is very good to wrap up the tail enders quickly. It's beyond my imagination that why did the management lost confidence from Starc. I hope to see him in the next Test.

Like I have been saying for the past week, Strac has to play in the fourth test match as he is one bowler who can change a game fast. Forget about Siddle and Pattinson as they have been okay but don't have the x-factor that Strac has. Strac is one of the best Australian bowlers for cleaning up the tail so for me he must come into the team.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 29, 2019, 12:02:37 PM

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I couldn't watch the game, but from the scorecard it looks like Mitchell Starc cleaned up the lower order in very quick time. He took 3 wickets in a single over, to finish with 46/3. I want Australia to go for the 4th test with four pacers (Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Siddle), with part time spin from Marnus Labuschagne and Steven Smith as the slower options.

I was always missing Starc in the last three matches. If Starc were there then may be we would not see Australia to lose the last test. Starc is very good to wrap up the tail enders quickly. It's beyond my imagination that why did the management lost confidence from Starc. I hope to see him in the next Test.

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I would agree with the prediction by Royse for both the matches. But I would be closely watching Smith's (batting) performance during the warm up match. I want to make sure that the small break didn't made him rusty. One interesting thing is that Australia gave chance to all their bench bowlers, and that means that Starc, Marsh and Neser are playing along with Siddle. They went for an all pace attack.

I couldn't watch the game, but from the scorecard it looks like Mitchell Starc cleaned up the lower order in very quick time. He took 3 wickets in a single over, to finish with 46/3. I want Australia to go for the 4th test with four pacers (Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Siddle), with part time spin from Marnus Labuschagne and Steven Smith as the slower options.

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Okay I would like to go for a 2 fold since India vs WI is starting from tomorrow, less than 24 hours left.

India vs West Indies: India
England vs Australia: Australia

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I am considering Smith is going to play.

Interestingly the bookies are favoring England. They may have a chance but I do not think it's much than Australia. The last Test was in their (Australia's) grip all the time except Stokes monster innings at the end that changed the result.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 28, 2019, 10:37:01 PM

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Also did anyone here see the banter between Warne and Prior it was funny, and if England wins it I’m expecting Prior to once again target Warne and Lyon.

Lol yeah enjoyed it very much.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 29, 2019, 09:36:06 AM

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Yes. Steve Smith will be part of the playing XI for the 4th test. You can check this:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18659/scorecard/1169534/derbyshire-vs-australians-tour-match-australia-in-eng-2019

He is currently part of the playing XI in the warm up match against Derbyshire. So in all probability,

Not commenting on if he's playing or not in the next test match. but here i noticed their professionalism and dedication when it comes to Test Cricket. in between breaks they are playing warm-up match. can't say the same for any other Test playing nation.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 29, 2019, 09:04:04 AM

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on August 28, 2019, 04:46:37 PM

Wow, LFC watching the cricket? Looks like that final of the World Cup succeeded in bringing new people close to the sport! Grin

Thanks to Stokes :-P

Does anyone know if Smith is going to be in the 11 for the 4th Test? I need to do a multibet but before I do, I need to know Smith is there. If Smith is playing then Australia is going to win easily.

Yes. Steve Smith will be part of the playing XI for the 4th test. You can check this:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18659/scorecard/1169534/derbyshire-vs-australians-tour-match-australia-in-eng-2019

He is currently part of the playing XI in the warm up match against Derbyshire. So in all probability, he will be playing in the 4th test. But I think you are a bit overoptimistic when you say that Australia is going to win "easily" if Smith makes it to the playing XI. From what I have seen, one-man armies are not very efficient in winning the matches on a constant basis (Kohli is another example). Cricket is a team sport and you need at least some support from the remaining 10 players to win the game.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on August 28, 2019, 04:46:37 PM

Wow, LFC watching the cricket? Looks like that final of the World Cup succeeded in bringing new people close to the sport! Grin

Thanks to Stokes :-P

Does anyone know if Smith is going to be in the 11 for the 4th Test? I need to do a multibet but before I do, I need to know Smith is there. If Smith is playing then Australia is going to win easily.

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Quote from: romero121 on August 29, 2019, 04:02:35 AM

Maybe Indian cricket board might have given Ashwin rest for the upcoming series against South Africa which is scheduled for the upcoming month.

I have not seen Ashwin play in a very long time, may be because of the competition in the side as they have a well balanced bowling unit, if there is a Test series in the sub continent we might see two spinners playing. Jadeja is a much better player in the team with his brilliant fielding and he is bowling really well and a useful batsman lower down the order.

Quote from: romero121 on August 29, 2019, 04:02:35 AM

These days every test matches were getting results as mentioned in a post. This makes the test matches to be more interesting and watchable for the fans who stopped watching test cricket and moved to T20 matches.

It is because the captains are taking an aggressive approach than the old generation, earlier we used to see players looking for a draw rather than winning, but now every team is playing aggressively and so is the reason we are seeing results.

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Quote from: romero121 on August 29, 2019, 04:02:35 AM

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Quote from: RapTarX on August 28, 2019, 11:00:58 PM

Isn't it 1-1? Australia won the 1st test, 2nd one is drawn and England won the 3rd. Both team has opportunity to lift the Ashes 2019, however, Australia could have changed bowlers which is likely to be happened in nezt matches.

It's 1-1 only.

The best thing about test matches are able to yield a result unlike earlier times when teams used to not declare and the matches used to end in a draw. May be because these are WC matches.

WI vs IND: Jadeja will be playing in place of Ashwin. Don't know why they can't play both.
Keemo Paul will play in place of Cummins. The later's SR is better but he is still a newbie unlike Cummins. WI are out of options.

Maybe Indian cricket board might have given Ashwin rest for the upcoming series against South Africa which is scheduled for the upcoming month. These days every test matches were getting results as mentioned in a post. This makes the test matches to be more interesting and watchable for the fans who stopped watching test cricket and moved to T20 matches.

Yes, we are seeing results at the end of test matches, but previously we don't see results because in most cases players are very experienced and they will continue to play but now things were changed in test matches. Definitely test matches will be more interesting and even fans will show lots of interest towards the test matches.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 29, 2019, 03:30:41 AM

Quote from: RapTarX on August 28, 2019, 11:00:58 PM

Isn't it 1-1? Australia won the 1st test, 2nd one is drawn and England won the 3rd. Both team has opportunity to lift the Ashes 2019, however, Australia could have changed bowlers which is likely to be happened in nezt matches.

It's 1-1 only.

The best thing about test matches are able to yield a result unlike earlier times when teams used to not declare and the matches used to end in a draw. May be because these are WC matches.

WI vs IND: Jadeja will be playing in place of Ashwin. Don't know why they can't play both.
Keemo Paul will play in place of Cummins. The later's SR is better but he is still a newbie unlike Cummins. WI are out of options.

Maybe Indian cricket board might have given Ashwin rest for the upcoming series against South Africa which is scheduled for the upcoming month. These days every test matches were getting results as mentioned in a post. This makes the test matches to be more interesting and watchable for the fans who stopped watching test cricket and moved to T20 matches.

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Quote from: RapTarX on August 28, 2019, 11:00:58 PM

Isn't it 1-1? Australia won the 1st test, 2nd one is drawn and England won the 3rd. Both team has opportunity to lift the Ashes 2019, however, Australia could have changed bowlers which is likely to be happened in nezt matches.

It's 1-1 only.

The best thing about test matches are able to yield a result unlike earlier times when teams used to not declare and the matches used to end in a draw. May be because these are WC matches.

WI vs IND: Jadeja will be playing in place of Ashwin. Don't know why they can't play both.
Keemo Paul will play in place of Cummins. The later's SR is better but he is still a newbie unlike Cummins. WI are out of options.

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I am expecting Australia to decimate England in the upcoming test since Stokes cannot save them everytime and Smith might be returning after his concussion recently. Anderson could also return making this a heated contest.

Would love to see Anderson and Archer vs Smith currently. I do hope that the umpires do a better job this time around since their standards have fallen a lot lately.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2019, 07:51:13 PM

Right now Australia is up 2-1,

Isn't it 1-1? Australia won the 1st test, 2nd one is drawn and England won the 3rd. Both team has opportunity to lift the Ashes 2019, however, Australia could have changed bowlers which is likely to be happened in nezt matches.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on August 28, 2019, 04:46:37 PM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 28, 2019, 10:02:23 AM

4th Test is 4th - 8th September so still a while for players to recover from that epic 3rd Test. AUS can guarantee that they keep the Ashes if they win so ENG are going to have to be really up for it again.

Wow, LFC watching the cricket? Looks like that final of the World Cup succeeded in bringing new people close to the sport! Grin

@Raja_MBZ even I’m surprised to see him here as I always find him discussing about premier league, and posting photos from match day welcome here your insights will make this thread even more engaging. Australia are starting to get unpredictable and sloppy, I cannot get over the fact that Tim choosed a DRS appeal when the ball was clearly going leg side and that caused Australia the match. Also did anyone here see the banter between Warne and Prior it was funny, and if England wins it I’m expecting Prior to once again target Warne and Lyon.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/shane-warne-slams-silly-immature-19009937

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/ashes-2019-allan-border-backs-tim-paine-to-learn-from-tough-lessons-surprise-test-loss/news-story/e4c6e5d5424476ea4b8a2515cfebc4b0

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 28, 2019, 10:02:23 AM

4th Test is 4th - 8th September so still a while for players to recover from that epic 3rd Test. AUS can guarantee that they keep the Ashes if they win so ENG are going to have to be really up for it again.

Nothing can be said with surety on where the Ashes will go on from here. We have some excited and unexpected cricket all around and both of the teams have not shown a complete dominance over the other. So who ever plays better will win the next two tests but excitement is awaiting for us in these two remaining matches.

Right now Australia is up 2-1, but the momentum is with England after their controversial win during the third match. I want Australia to win the series, but they are making bad decisions in selection which has definitely come back to bite them. One thing is common with all the three matches that were completed till now. In all the matches, the English lower order was able to score crucial runs (especially against spin bowling). And this is why I have always said that they are committing a grave mistake by dropping Mitchell Starc. Nathan Lyon is useless against the lower order batsmen and they can't depend on just two bowlers (Hazlewood and Cummins). The selection for the third match was weird. Pattinson was picked ahead of Starc and even now I can't understand the logic behind that decision.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 28, 2019, 10:02:23 AM

4th Test is 4th - 8th September so still a while for players to recover from that epic 3rd Test. AUS can guarantee that they keep the Ashes if they win so ENG are going to have to be really up for it again.

Wow, LFC watching the cricket? Looks like that final of the World Cup succeeded in bringing new people close to the sport! Grin

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 28, 2019, 10:42:53 AM

I don't agree with users claiming Ben Stokes as one of the best players in the world right now. IMO, he is a very over-rated player and he is incapable of single-handedly leading his team to victory. On the other hand, Steve Smith and Virat Kohli have led their team to victories all by themselves several times. Stokes has done that on a few occasions, but he is miles behind Smith / Kohli.

I thing he is a good all rounder player at the moment considering the past few innings he has played and has definately desreved to fall in that category. Though not be the best but surely he can be considered in that zone as he has delivered under tremendous pressure which not every can play that sort of innings and bowl as well .

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 28, 2019, 10:42:53 AM

I don't agree with users claiming Ben Stokes as one of the best players in the world right now. IMO, he is a very over-rated player and he is incapable of single-handedly leading his team to victory. On the other hand, Steve Smith and Virat Kohli have led their team to victories all by themselves several times. Stokes has done that on a few occasions, but he is miles behind Smith / Kohli.

No one comparing Stokes with Smith/Kohli as these both are typical batsmen and third one is in all-rounders category never any one compare Stokes with these and stokes time is now starting as he has some good innings we can say bright future is waiting for this great all rounder.

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