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Quote from: deadley on August 01, 2019, 06:50:40 AM

Umpiring is so bad these days, so many wrong decision, Warner was out when not given, when he given out, it was not out.

Broad and slip fielders didn't appealed when Warner edged. only Bairstow thought he heard something, even he was not sure when Joe root asked him. Umpire was Aleem Dar, i have seen much worst decision from Mr Dar and its not one of them Cheesy

Having said that i agree that Umpiring standard is going down the hill in recent time.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 01, 2019, 06:37:30 AM

Top order failed for OZ team and now its all up to Middle order and Smith is leading them.

England was looking very good when Australia lost their third wicket at 35 runs. Now Smith and Head is doing the job to recover the damage. Looking good at 75 for three but if Australia lose anymore wicket then they will be in real trouble.

Quote from: deadley on August 01, 2019, 06:50:40 AM

Umpiring is so bad these days, so many wrong decision, Warner was out when not given, when he given out, it was not out.

I am just following the score. But yes the Umpiring issue is going pathetic these days. Imagine if there were no technology, we would have seen worse. In the entire world cup we have seen messed up umpiring. We have seen some bad decision in Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka series too.

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Umpiring is so bad these days, so many wrong decision, Warner was out when not given, when he given out, it was not out.
1st day 1st session always so much movement for bowlers and difficult for batsmen, we will know real pitch after lunch, and if Australia play well in middle session, they will be ahead in test, these days there is not much high scoring test, so around 300 will be enough for fight back in test.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 01, 2019, 04:43:25 AM

^But in case of a tie, that doesn't sound fair as both teams have played equally well then and should be joint winners.

Different audience different viewpoints.

IMHO choosing a single team as a winner, in the end, sounds perfectly logical to me. Because this Championship is going to run for full 2 years, and every team has an equal chance (more or less ). to top the point table, Every Team need to play all-round cricket for 2 years and its no easy task, that's why I would like to see the following system in the Final which scheduled in Lords.

Quote from: erikalui on August 01, 2019, 04:43:25 AM

I am betting on India as they are the highest ranked team in cricket so just hoping they keep their form going. But still hope they make changes. Pant is better batting as an opener rather than Rahul. Rahul is better at 4-5th position.

Agreed with @Haunebu,

Its Way too early for Winner prediction - India is strong contender along with Australia and England.

Pant is suitable for Middle order and if its up to me then will kick the Rahul from Test team for good 2-3 years Cheesy

but Prithvi shaw is facing a ban due to his carelessness ( Doping test failed), so Rahul is in team as an opener along with Mayank Agarwal ( Indians can try Hanuma Vihari as an opener too)

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Top order failed for OZ team and now its all up to Middle order and Smith is leading them.

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Okay, finally the first test is in progress. Not watching the match but following the scores. After winning the toss Australia elected to bat but seems like they did execute the plan. They lost two wickets in 17 runs. Bancroft and Warner gone! England got early break for sure but it's too early to say anything about the result of this test.

If I am asked to pick a team then I will go for Australia to win in 4th day (if there are no rain interruption) :-P

Quote from: erikalui on August 01, 2019, 04:43:25 AM

Cheering for England as Aus will not win in England land.

Australia's winning record in England is not that bad. Here is just a scan:

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Guess you are confused as well like rest of us Tongue

I think I need more reading about this whole new thing :-P

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Quote from: erikalui on August 01, 2019, 04:43:25 AM

I am betting on India as they are the highest ranked team in cricket so just hoping they keep their form going. But still hope they make changes.

It is really tough trying to predict what could happen after 2 freaking years especially since players can change through various matches based on their performances and the lineup might not be the same one till the end.

Quote from: erikalui on August 01, 2019, 04:43:25 AM

Pant is better batting as an opener rather than Rahul. Rahul is better at 4-5th position.

Pant is still a newbie when it comes to test cricket in my opinion and has a lot to prove over time. Pujara will probably continue his great form through out the tournament and he is the main player to watch in Team India.

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^But in case of a tie, that doesn't sound fair as both teams have played equally well then and should be joint winners.

I am betting on India as they are the highest ranked team in cricket so just hoping they keep their form going. But still hope they make changes. Pant is better batting as an opener rather than Rahul. Rahul is better at 4-5th position.

Looking forward to today's test between Eng and Aus. Cheering for England as Aus will not win in England land.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 31, 2019, 05:26:40 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on July 31, 2019, 03:07:41 AM

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1. One Team playing 22 test Match and some team playing an only 13-14 match. Point system makes sense in this scenario.

2. Some teams not even playing against stronger opponents - Not balanced if it World Test Championship.-

3. Irregularities in Home and Away matches ( some playing less in home and some playing more) - Point system makes sense in this scenario.

1. No it does not. Those who playing 13 match, they already lost the points they would be able to manage from the 9 more matches
~~2. Correct~~
3. The home team always have advantage in test cricket so yes they will win and get more points.

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Anyway, it may not be a perfect tournament but it's a start of something new.

Guess you are confused as well like rest of us Tongue

1. No, No teams lost any point match. Teams playing less match getting compensate by higher point system.

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Points system: Read More

Each series will be worth 120 points. Hence, if it is a 2-match Test series, a win will fetch 60 points, and if it is a 5-match series, a win will fetch 24 points.

A tie will be allocated half the points for a win, while a draw will be allocated one-third of the points for a win.

3. Yes, Home team gets advantage but there is no such thing more points.

@Vishnu please check link which i provided above. in case of draw it sound logical.

And it appears to me no solid info about - If Final turn out to be draw or get washed- ESPNcricinfo saying different thing ( pointed by @erikalui HERE and the source i mentioned presenting different scenario. Guess we have to wait for ICC official announcement for this.

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What will happen in case of a rain induced draw? For example, if a weak team like Sri Lanka or West Indies is playing against a strong team like Australia or India, and if the match gets washed out, how the points will be split? Giving both the teams equal points don't make any sense as far as I am concerned. IMO, the higher ranked team must be awarded a larger share of points.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 31, 2019, 03:07:41 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on July 31, 2019, 02:44:35 AM

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Had a quick look at schedule and point system, that's what I don't like it about this Championship.

1. One Team playing 22 test Match and some team playing an only 13-14 match. Point system makes sense in this scenario.

2. Some teams not even playing against stronger opponents - Not balanced if it World Test Championship.-

3. Irregularities in Home and Away matches ( some playing less in home and some playing more) - Point system makes sense in this scenario.

As usual ICC doing some very poor things for this Test Championship and going with own favorite teams they need to review all this after completing first championship and give more equal basis chance to all teams for more public interest otherwise this could be useless World Test Championship.

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I do not think the current Sri Lanka team is a top tier team.

Quote from: JSRAW on July 31, 2019, 03:07:41 AM

Had a quick look at schedule and point system, that's what I don't like it about this Championship.

1. One Team playing 22 test Match and some team playing an only 13-14 match. Point system makes sense in this scenario.

2. Some teams not even playing against stronger opponents - Not balanced if it World Test Championship.-

3. Irregularities in Home and Away matches ( some playing less in home and some playing more) - Point system makes sense in this scenario.

1. No it does not. Those who playing 13 match, they already lost the points they would be able to manage from the 9 more matches
2. Correct
3. The home team always have advantage in test cricket so yes they will win and get more points.

I think there are not many talks about this things since there are not many people are aware about this test world cup tournament. I am pretty sure about this because a person like me first heard about it only three days ago.

Anyway, it may not be a perfect tournament but it's a start of something new.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 30, 2019, 07:42:03 AM

So we have one day left to start the ICC World Test Championship. England is hosting the test between them and Australia and then we will see Sri Lanka vs New Zealand series which will be hosted by Sri Lanka. After that we have West Indies vs India host nation is possibly West Indies.

This will be interesting. The team forms will not be the same in the two long year period of time.

For example West Indies vs India. Anyone can bet that India will win but India in recent time and India after one year may not be the same. May be after one and half year we will see a different West Indies and result will start to change.

Same can be said about Sri Lanka vs New Zealand. The current New Zealand team looks very good but after a year or a year and half may be we will not see a better New Zealand team than Sri Lanka.

You have given good elaboration of test matches. All the teams included in this test match series are good and Excellency teams but only good and expert team will win at the end. I like Pakistan the most as they play really good and when India comes at cross then match become really interesting. England and Sri Lanka both are good teams too.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 31, 2019, 02:44:35 AM

~snip~

Had a quick look at schedule and point system, that's what I don't like it about this Championship.

1. One Team playing 22 test Match and some team playing an only 13-14 match. Point system makes sense in this scenario.

2. Some teams not even playing against stronger opponents - Not balanced if it World Test Championship.-

3. Irregularities in Home and Away matches ( some playing less in home and some playing more) - Point system makes sense in this scenario.

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Quote from: justdimin on July 30, 2019, 12:46:36 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on July 29, 2019, 08:41:54 AM

Here is a detailed feature about the test championships in Cricinfo

You people notice about the point system for each test match ?
Maximum of 120 points per match if it will be a only one test match based bilateral series. If it will be a 2 test match series then 60 points for winning that only one test whereas winning a test in a 6 test match series will get that team only 20 points. I guess teams will go for one match series against weak opponents to gain easy 60 points to top the table.

I feel except the scheduled final match, nothing new here as we are already having ranking system and bilateral series are most commonly occurring for any full member country. I want a tournament like how we do ODI world cup.

These rules don't really make a lot of sense. 1 match awards 120 points in a particular setup and another match awards 20 points in another setup. Weird. We will have to see how it all plays out.

This is the 1st World Test Championship which is why we cannot say for sure that the rules are good or bad at the moment. However, I don't have a good feeling about these rules.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on July 29, 2019, 08:41:54 AM

Here is a detailed feature about the test championships in Cricinfo

You people notice about the point system for each test match ?
Maximum of 120 points per match if it will be a only one test match based bilateral series. If it will be a 2 test match series then 60 points for winning that only one test whereas winning a test in a 6 test match series will get that team only 20 points. I guess teams will go for one match series against weak opponents to gain easy 60 points to top the table.

I feel except the scheduled final match, nothing new here as we are already having ranking system and bilateral series are most commonly occurring for any full member country. I want a tournament like how we do ODI world cup.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 30, 2019, 07:42:03 AM

So we have one day left to start the ICC World Test Championship. England is hosting the test between them and Australia and then we will see Sri Lanka vs New Zealand series which will be hosted by Sri Lanka. After that we have West Indies vs India host nation is possibly West Indies.

Cool. So many interesting tournaments to keep track of. I am mostly interested in the India vs West Indies tournament since I like both these teams personally and it will be interesting to watch how West Indies play against a semi powerful Indian side.

Heard that Gayle has reversed his retirement though I am not completely sure if its true. Hope we get to see him play in the upcoming series.

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So we have one day left to start the ICC World Test Championship. England is hosting the test between them and Australia and then we will see Sri Lanka vs New Zealand series which will be hosted by Sri Lanka. After that we have West Indies vs India host nation is possibly West Indies.

This will be interesting. The team forms will not be the same in the two long year period of time.

For example West Indies vs India. Anyone can bet that India will win but India in recent time and India after one year may not be the same. May be after one and half year we will see a different West Indies and result will start to change.

Same can be said about Sri Lanka vs New Zealand. The current New Zealand team looks very good but after a year or a year and half may be we will not see a better New Zealand team than Sri Lanka.

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Quote from: erikalui on July 29, 2019, 10:10:18 AM

Espn has released this information as draw possibilities are higher when it comes to test matches.

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If the final ends in a tie or a draw, the two teams will be joint champions. Although the playing conditions allow for a reserve day, it can only be used if net playing time is lost during the scheduled five days of the final. Net playing time for every Test amounts to 30 hours of play (six hours per day).

The reserve day is only going to make it worse as again it will be June 2021 and the finals will be played in UK. Another rain wash. But I am glad they will chose to make both teams joint winners.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27279509/faqs-happens-world-test-championship-final-ends-draw-tie

This would be awesome if ICC actually approves this, but I doubt it knowing how they defend their own bullshit rules despite what the world is saying. Even now, they continue to defend their flawed umpiring errors and despicable boundary count rule.

ICC needs a change in leadership(Preferably a leader who actually listens to the public and gives them what they want) in my opinion.

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Quote from: erikalui on July 29, 2019, 11:34:32 AM

^Hope ICC makes it clear as after the result of the ODI finals, all keep asking the same question for the first ever test WC. Declaring both as champions seems more fair else then points will be counted but for me the former one is the best as each team will be able to collect points for each draw which has been the result for max test matches.

I would like to see a fair resolution for major tournaments and hopefully ICC will not make the same mistake again, i watched a closely contested match in the finals but one team won the world cup because they scored more boundaries is the strangest result you can get. Everyone would have being happy if the world cup was shared, you cannot have a penalty shoot out like in football to determine the winners, but they had the super overs and even then a result could not be achieved.

Test championship is a great concept by the ICC, will it add any other addition interest for test matches is highly doubtful.

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^Hope ICC makes it clear as after the result of the ODI finals, all keep asking the same question for the first ever test WC. Declaring both as champions seems more fair else then points will be counted but for me the former one is the best as each team will be able to collect points for each draw which has been the result for max test matches.

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