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Quote from: Haunebu on August 20, 2019, 02:08:35 AM

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Majority of Cricket tests never end in a draw even if the weather conditions don't help out sometimes. Australia could have lost the recent test match and survived barely even after consecutive days of rainfall recently.

True. Test cricket used to be boring before because team were too defensive but now teams are more attacking. I think T20 changed this mindset.

Back to the selection:
If you notice my selection then it's a multibet. Three Test matches.

Weather in England is like women. You can not predict. In the Caribbean, I have no idea about their weather but we have seen rain in between India vs WI matches and finally the Sri Lanka vs NZ, we have seen rain there as well in Sri Lanka. So I did not want to take risk.

If I were to bet in single match then I would wait and place in play bet and then may be I would go for straight win for a team.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 20, 2019, 07:31:33 AM

^Phillip Hughes's case was unfortunate and he got hit on the neck and then was in coma. Steve was lucky enough to get a minor injury.

I was shocked to hear about Steve resuming his play after being hurt and I guess he just came after an hour or so. They said he got hit on the neck too and so him coming back wasn't a wise decision at all. How the doctors even allowed him was surprising.

Now Smith is ruled out of the 3rd test match and rightly so beacsue he require rest and need to go through some test as well if all looks good. But on Archer part it was really not a sportsman spirit he had showned and as a courtsey he should have went stright to the Smith to check if he is fine like other England players had gone after he had fallen down.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 20, 2019, 07:31:33 AM

^Phillip Hughes's case was unfortunate and he got hit on the neck and then was in coma. Steve was lucky enough to get a minor injury.

I was shocked to hear about Steve resuming his play after being hurt and I guess he just came after an hour or so. They said he got hit on the neck too and so him coming back wasn't a wise decision at all. How the doctors even allowed him was surprising.

But when someone take long break then it is very hard and almost impossible to get into the playing squad again in the team like Australia that is why he want to continue his good career but we need to consider our life more than our career.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 20, 2019, 07:31:33 AM

^Phillip Hughes's case was unfortunate and he got hit on the neck and then was in coma. Steve was lucky enough to get a minor injury.

It was a really unfortunate incident and death during sporting events are rare and heart breaking, first was Raman Lamba case where the ball was stuck in his head while fielding and then a Pakistan player died on the field during a friendly match, i have not seen any of these matches live and more of these accidents occurred during domestic matches including Randall from South Africa and Phillip Hughes, Steve Smith should have rested after being hit on the head after all it is a sporting event and not to take risks like that, glad that he will not play the next test and he need a proper rest after a blow like that.

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^Phillip Hughes's case was unfortunate and he got hit on the neck and then was in coma. Steve was lucky enough to get a minor injury.

I was shocked to hear about Steve resuming his play after being hurt and I guess he just came after an hour or so. They said he got hit on the neck too and so him coming back wasn't a wise decision at all. How the doctors even allowed him was surprising.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 19, 2019, 10:43:52 PM

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I don't want to comment on this, but I thought that without Smith resuming his innings, Australia could have lost the match. He added some valuable runs and prevented England from leveling the series 1-1.

I have a mixed feeling about this event. i can understand why he resumed his inning after the incident but i am sure no one want to witness unfortunate event similar to "Phillip Hughes".

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 19, 2019, 09:30:54 AM

If I were to bet then I would go with this:
India vs West Indies: Draw no bet India to win @ 1.15
England vs Australia: Draw no bet England to win @ 1.57
New Zealand vs Sri Lanka: Draw no bet New Zealand to win @ 1.86

3 fold odd @3.26 and it will look like:

Feel free to use it anyone. However I am not gambling yet. I am still in rehab mood :-P

The reason going with Draw no bet is the rain. In all three matches, we never know rain may play big role and in that case any match could draw. You do not want to risk much when you are playing multibet.

Good luck.

Majority of Cricket tests never end in a draw even if the weather conditions don't help out sometimes. Australia could have lost the recent test match and survived barely even after consecutive days of rainfall recently.

Also, the number of tests which ended in a draw this year are 2 in 20 matches which is why draw no bet is a bad option in Cricket. It is a much better option in Soccer though.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 19, 2019, 11:49:11 AM

If Smith isn't there, they still got Labuschagne who got 50+ runs. He may not be as good as Smith in building partnerships but still he performed well so Aus too have a chance but still rain has a better chance. :-P

It is raining quite heavily in West Yorkshire (where the Leeds cricket ground is located), but the weather predictions are saying that things will get better after Thursday. So although the first day of the play may get disrupted by rain, the chances are that the next four days will be free of any such disruption. Remember how close was England to a win (the injury suffered by Smith played a large role though), despite almost 150 overs were lost to rain during the Lords test.

That said, Steve Smith has attracted criticism from medical circles, after he chose to resume his innings despite the head injury. Check this:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49395198

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It was "incredibly dangerous" for Steve Smith to resume his innings in the second Ashes Test at Lord's, brain injury charity Headway has claimed. Smith was hit in the neck by a 92mph bouncer from Jofra Archer on day three but passed an initial concussion test and returned to continue his innings. With concussion, the vision can be blurred and the brain can be slow at processing information. That leads to delayed reaction times and is just incredibly dangerous.

I don't want to comment on this, but I thought that without Smith resuming his innings, Australia could have lost the match. He added some valuable runs and prevented England from leveling the series 1-1.

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Quote from: onrise on August 19, 2019, 05:52:35 AM

I would just give Roy a chance again because we all know how good as a player he is and yes for now he seems to be out of form but if kept a faith in him and he performs well in coming match England has a good chance to win the match and series too despite they being down by 1-0 now .

Still I feel they should change him as being an opener his form matters a lot for the team.

Quote from: Haunebu on August 19, 2019, 06:15:17 AM

3 tests coming up people on 22nd of August:

- India vs West Indies -> India will probably win this one easily thanks to Pujara and Kohli(Odds : 1.4)
- New Zealand vs Sri Lanka -> My bet is on Sri Lanka to take the 2nd one(Odds : 2.64)
- England vs Australia -> Betting on England since Smith is probably out(Only if Warner stays out of form)(Odds : 1.79)

If Smith isn't there, they still got Labuschagne who got 50+ runs. He may not be as good as Smith in building partnerships but still he performed well so Aus too have a chance but still rain has a better chance. :-P

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 19, 2019, 06:15:17 AM

3 tests coming up people on 22nd of August:

- India vs West Indies -> India will probably win this one easily thanks to Pujara and Kohli(Odds : 1.4)
- New Zealand vs Sri Lanka -> My bet is on Sri Lanka to take the 2nd one(Odds : 2.64)
- England vs Australia -> Betting on England since Smith is probably out(Only if Warner stays out of form)(Odds : 1.79)

Well I am quite skeptical for the 2nd decision . I bet on NZ considering their team is very strong and an easily comeback and can win the match for their team. If we consider the overall experience and team NZ is much stronger though in first test they have lost but still I would go with NZ.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 19, 2019, 06:15:17 AM

3 tests coming up people on 22nd of August:

- India vs West Indies -> India will probably win this one easily thanks to Pujara and Kohli(Odds : 1.4)
- New Zealand vs Sri Lanka -> My bet is on Sri Lanka to take the 2nd one(Odds : 2.64)
- England vs Australia -> Betting on England since Smith is probably out(Only if Warner stays out of form)(Odds : 1.79)

If I were to bet then I would go with this:
India vs West Indies: Draw no bet India to win @ 1.15
England vs Australia: Draw no bet England to win @ 1.57
New Zealand vs Sri Lanka: Draw no bet New Zealand to win @ 1.86

3 fold odd @3.26 and it will look like:

Feel free to use it anyone. However I am not gambling yet. I am still in rehab mood :-P

The reason going with Draw no bet is the rain. In all three matches, we never know rain may play big role and in that case any match could draw. You do not want to risk much when you are playing multibet.

Good luck.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 19, 2019, 06:15:17 AM

3 tests coming up people on 22nd of August:
- India vs West Indies -> India will probably win this one easily thanks to Pujara and Kohli(Odds : 1.4)

Hey Mr,

Ruling out Bumrah And Windies pace battery? Tongue

I would bet on India as well if I have to put my money on a game.

Indian batting line up looking strong but Opener spot still shaky. Chances are KL Rahul is going to open with Mayank. And Ajinkya, Hunuma, Rishab, Jadeja, Ashwin in Middle and lower order, Rohit should sit out for the first game.

PS : I want a seaming wicket for those 2 games Cheesy

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3 tests coming up people on 22nd of August:

- India vs West Indies -> India will probably win this one easily thanks to Pujara and Kohli(Odds : 1.4)
- New Zealand vs Sri Lanka -> My bet is on Sri Lanka to take the 2nd one(Odds : 2.64)
- England vs Australia -> Betting on England since Smith is probably out(Only if Warner stays out of form)(Odds : 1.79)

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Quote from: erikalui on August 19, 2019, 02:44:32 AM

Roy too hasn't performed well for Eng in these 2 test matches wherein the max runs he has made is 28. Burns has been the most stable batsman and now Stokes but they need to replace Roy.

I would just give Roy a chance again because we all know how good as a player he is and yes for now he seems to be out of form but if kept a faith in him and he performs well in coming match England has a good chance to win the match and series too despite they being down by 1-0 now .

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I noticed a couple of posters talking about removing Warner as an opener, they have their reasons, but I am positive that they are only looking at last 4 innings. As @pffrt shared his stats above, which are pretty solid and he is the best bet for Oz.

His main competitor for the opening slot is Finch and Khwaja. I highly doubt that Finch can fill his shoes, Khwaja can be a right candidate but who is going to bat at number 3 after that?

Chances are Management going to try Warner for one more match. If he failed one more time, then they can go ahead with their available options, it's logical as well. @Raja is that Marcus Harris? He's good but not sure if he's capable of playing a big inning in International. He has a good record in First class though.

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Roy too hasn't performed well for Eng in these 2 test matches wherein the max runs he has made is 28. Burns has been the most stable batsman and now Stokes but they need to replace Roy.

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Quote from: Pffrt on August 19, 2019, 01:36:28 AM

It's only 2 match, I can't remember him to play more matches after coming back from the ban. Within 2 matches, it's hard to decide replacing a player like Warner.

Warner Test stats-
Played- 76 matches, 141 innings
Total run- 6381 with an avg of 46.92
Century- 21
Fifty- 29

In ODI, his avg is 45.36 with 17 centuries from 114 innings.
I think he is still a good option for Australia for their test squad. After a long time, he is playing in the team, he has shown his performance in world cup. Hopefully he will recover in test in the upcoming matches.

I agree. This is why people need to stop thinking about the short term and need to look at the big picture. Every player encounters these kinds of breaks where their performance goes down the drain, but the great players always find a way to bounce back.

For example, Smith performed pretty badly in several ODI matches in the World Cup, but they stuck with him and it proved to be a good decision. Warner is already a legend in my opinion people and I am confident that he will bounce back very soon.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 18, 2019, 07:40:25 PM

It is weird to see Australia giving so many chances to David Warner

It's only 2 match, I can't remember him to play more matches after coming back from the ban. Within 2 matches, it's hard to decide replacing a player like Warner.

Warner Test stats-
Played- 76 matches, 141 innings
Total run- 6381 with an avg of 46.92
Century- 21
Fifty- 29

In ODI, his avg is 45.36 with 17 centuries from 114 innings.
I think he is still a good option for Australia for their test squad. After a long time, he is playing in the team, he has shown his performance in world cup. Hopefully he will recover in test in the upcoming matches.

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This test match had too many up and down moments and finally the test match where it went till last over to know the final result. Though the match ended in draw but this was really a well competent test match for England who came from the bad loss in the 1st test match. Also Smith concussion happening for first time in histroy played a vital rolse as Marnus made half century and helped them to draw the test.

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It is weird to see Australia giving so many chances to David Warner (who I think is more suited for ODIs and T20s) and at the same time humiliating Mitchell Starc by dropping him again and again. The Aussies need to get their team selection right, if they want to win this series. They are already 1-0 up, but the momentum is not on their side after the poor performance in this test. They should seriously consider going to the third test with four pacers, as the performance of Nathan Lyon was pathetic during the second match. I would recommend two changes. Finch in for David Warner, and Mitchell Starc in for Nathan Lyon.

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