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Quote from: JSRAW on December 20, 2022, 08:59:07 AM

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In this Test Championship title, Pakistan's results have been disappointing. According to Babar Azam, the bleak performance of their pacer against England was due to the fact that their best pacer isn't working. I disagree, as their poor management and captaincy contributed to their poor performance.

After this 3-0 defeat, what about Pakistan's chances to make a spot in the final of test championship? They could make on their own by winning all the remaining test matches or need to depend on others' results? As of now, India and England might get qualified for the final in my opinion as they are the only two teams who are consistently performing in test matches both home and away.

-Pakistan virtually has no chance.
-Poms are already out and it was their last Test series in this cycle.
-Indians are in a contest and need 4 wins out of the remaining 5 matches.
-South Africa could also fancy their chances and need 3 wins in the remaining 4 matches.
-SL also needs to whitewash NZ and win the away series 2-0.

This my opinion in just three points.

Pakistan are out for sure.
India would struggle unless they win the Bangladesh series in a whitewash. Which might be possible.
South Africa can win and get to that 2nd position but Srilanka I have serious doubt.

Whom so ever might come in 2nd position, the teams that is for sure will be part of the finals would be either Australia , England or South Africa.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 20, 2022, 08:59:07 AM

Quote from: justdimin on December 20, 2022, 08:51:54 AM

Quote from: onecall123 on December 20, 2022, 07:43:53 AM

In this Test Championship title, Pakistan's results have been disappointing. According to Babar Azam, the bleak performance of their pacer against England was due to the fact that their best pacer isn't working. I disagree, as their poor management and captaincy contributed to their poor performance.

After this 3-0 defeat, what about Pakistan's chances to make a spot in the final of test championship? They could make on their own by winning all the remaining test matches or need to depend on others' results? As of now, India and England might get qualified for the final in my opinion as they are the only two teams who are consistently performing in test matches both home and away.

-Pakistan virtually has no chance.
-Poms are already out and it was their last Test series in this cycle.
-Indians are in a contest and need 4 wins out of the remaining 5 matches.
-South Africa could also fancy their chances and need 3 wins in the remaining 4 matches.
-SL also needs to whitewash NZ and win the away series 2-0.

@JSRAW from the current scenario I agree that Pakistan are definitely out, but India is going to be missing Rohit hence they will have to cope well in his absence. Furthermore I doubt that SL can whitewash New Zealand, but if they manage to spring an surprise and upset New Zealand then that’ll be a big turning point for them as they have performed poorly in the last few year’s.

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Quote from: justdimin on December 20, 2022, 08:51:54 AM

Quote from: onecall123 on December 20, 2022, 07:43:53 AM

In this Test Championship title, Pakistan's results have been disappointing. According to Babar Azam, the bleak performance of their pacer against England was due to the fact that their best pacer isn't working. I disagree, as their poor management and captaincy contributed to their poor performance.

After this 3-0 defeat, what about Pakistan's chances to make a spot in the final of test championship? They could make on their own by winning all the remaining test matches or need to depend on others' results? As of now, India and England might get qualified for the final in my opinion as they are the only two teams who are consistently performing in test matches both home and away.

-Pakistan virtually has no chance.
-Poms are already out and it was their last Test series in this cycle.
-Indians are in a contest and need 4 wins out of the remaining 5 matches.
-South Africa could also fancy their chances and need 3 wins in the remaining 4 matches.
-SL also needs to whitewash NZ and win the away series 2-0.

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Quote from: onecall123 on December 20, 2022, 07:43:53 AM

In this Test Championship title, Pakistan's results have been disappointing. According to Babar Azam, the bleak performance of their pacer against England was due to the fact that their best pacer isn't working. I disagree, as their poor management and captaincy contributed to their poor performance.

After this 3-0 defeat, what about Pakistan's chances to make a spot in the final of test championship? They could make on their own by winning all the remaining test matches or need to depend on others' results? As of now, India and England might get qualified for the final in my opinion as they are the only two teams who are consistently performing in test matches both home and away.

In ICC ranking, Australia is leading right now with 25 tests played whereas England at 3rd spot with 47 tests played. It would be more interesting on watching how this list is going to be shuffled in coming months.

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Quote from: WatChe on December 20, 2022, 06:49:13 AM

I guess it's time to bring back Sarfraz as captain.

Is current management ready to go back to Sarfraz again? Guess they were the ones who backed Babar and gave a cold shoulder to Sarfraz, latter had many mistakes but he was removed due to politics.

I am hearing that Najam Sethi's name is popping up in a new chief contest, replacing Rambo ofc.

Also an important question, Sarfraz is going to replace Rizwan?

Rizwan might be going with a rough patch but he's a much better batsman when compared to Sarfraz imo.

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In what world Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf are experienced?

Naseem might have played 14 odd matches but he's still new in the Red ball. Haris Rauf was one of many debutants in this series and he hardly has any domestic experience as far as 4 days cricket goes. Maybe you are confusing T-20 and Test.

I wasn't talking about test cricket only. I was just saying that Shaheen, Naseem and Haris have a lot of international experience and the new bowers Pakistan included for this series didn't had any. For example, Haris Rauf has a total of 73 international matches to his name, and has has played against pig-3 sides regularly. Now compared to this, I would say that players such as Abrar Ahmed, Nauman Ali and Mohammad Wasim are less experienced. Abrar was playing in his first international, and Nauman and Wasim are having 12 and 35 international matches to their name.

Shaheen, Nasim, and Haris are all unfit for recent test series against England and that was a major set back for Pakistan bowling lineup. Don't know what happen that all 3 major fast bowlers are unfit at the same time. Abrar was called in because of these injuries and despite his brilliant bowling Pakistan couldn't avoid a whitewash.
I guess it's time to bring back Sarfraz as captain.

In this Test Championship title, Pakistan's results have been disappointing. According to Babar Azam, the bleak performance of their pacer against England was due to the fact that their best pacer isn't working. I disagree, as their poor management and captaincy contributed to their poor performance.
Definitely, Sarfraz will be considered as captain after this loss.

A very disappointing and embarrassing performance by Pakistan in test series , the point is not only Pakistan ballers are unfit for balling the whole team is unfit for test format . Pakistan has bat very bad in this entire series except of few centuries by Babar Azam not a single player performed.
Pakistan has to take this seriously and work on their test cricket format this is very bad thing for team like Pakistan.

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Quote from: WatChe on December 20, 2022, 06:49:13 AM

Shaheen, Nasim, and Haris are all unfit for recent test series against England and that was a major set back for Pakistan bowling lineup. Don't know what happen that all 3 major fast bowlers are unfit at the same time. Abrar was called in because of these injuries and despite his brilliant bowling Pakistan couldn't avoid a whitewash.
I guess it's time to bring back Sarfraz as captain.

That's what everyone is saying if your main bowlers are injured then you need to give more exposure to those new bowlers so that the new talent is ready in situation like this. It's the fault of PCB that they never thought that all three bowlers might get injured. That basically means incompetence on part of coach, selector and the PCB chairman.

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In what world Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf are experienced?

Naseem might have played 14 odd matches but he's still new in the Red ball. Haris Rauf was one of many debutants in this series and he hardly has any domestic experience as far as 4 days cricket goes. Maybe you are confusing T-20 and Test.

I wasn't talking about test cricket only. I was just saying that Shaheen, Naseem and Haris have a lot of international experience and the new bowers Pakistan included for this series didn't had any. For example, Haris Rauf has a total of 73 international matches to his name, and has has played against pig-3 sides regularly. Now compared to this, I would say that players such as Abrar Ahmed, Nauman Ali and Mohammad Wasim are less experienced. Abrar was playing in his first international, and Nauman and Wasim are having 12 and 35 international matches to their name.

Shaheen, Nasim, and Haris are all unfit for recent test series against England and that was a major set back for Pakistan bowling lineup. Don't know what happen that all 3 major fast bowlers are unfit at the same time. Abrar was called in because of these injuries and despite his brilliant bowling Pakistan couldn't avoid a whitewash.
I guess it's time to bring back Sarfraz as captain.

In this Test Championship title, Pakistan's results have been disappointing. According to Babar Azam, the bleak performance of their pacer against England was due to the fact that their best pacer isn't working. I disagree, as their poor management and captaincy contributed to their poor performance.
Definitely, Sarfraz will be considered as captain after this loss.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 20, 2022, 02:27:50 AM

In what world Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf are experienced?

Naseem might have played 14 odd matches but he's still new in the Red ball. Haris Rauf was one of many debutants in this series and he hardly has any domestic experience as far as 4 days cricket goes. Maybe you are confusing T-20 and Test.

I wasn't talking about test cricket only. I was just saying that Shaheen, Naseem and Haris have a lot of international experience and the new bowers Pakistan included for this series didn't had any. For example, Haris Rauf has a total of 73 international matches to his name, and has has played against pig-3 sides regularly. Now compared to this, I would say that players such as Abrar Ahmed, Nauman Ali and Mohammad Wasim are less experienced. Abrar was playing in his first international, and Nauman and Wasim are having 12 and 35 international matches to their name.

Shaheen, Nasim, and Haris are all unfit for recent test series against England and that was a major set back for Pakistan bowling lineup. Don't know what happen that all 3 major fast bowlers are unfit at the same time. Abrar was called in because of these injuries and despite his brilliant bowling Pakistan couldn't avoid a whitewash.
I guess it's time to bring back Sarfraz as captain.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 20, 2022, 02:51:48 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 20, 2022, 02:27:50 AM

In what world Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf are experienced?

Naseem might have played 14 odd matches but he's still new in the Red ball. Haris Rauf was one of many debutants in this series and he hardly has any domestic experience as far as 4 days cricket goes. Maybe you are confusing T-20 and Test.

I wasn't talking about test cricket only. I was just saying that Shaheen, Naseem and Haris have a lot of international experience and the new bowers Pakistan included for this series didn't had any. For example, Haris Rauf has a total of 73 international matches to his name, and has has played against pig-3 sides regularly. Now compared to this, I would say that players such as Abrar Ahmed, Nauman Ali and Mohammad Wasim are less experienced. Abrar was playing in his first international, and Nauman and Wasim are having 12 and 35 international matches to their name.

I figured that's why i pointed it out why they are inexperienced and there is a logic behind it.

No amount of international White ball cricket experience (it's not about skill) would help you when you are playing Red ball/Test cricket (even the likes of Bumrah had to prove himself in FC first). Everyone (99.99%) would prefer domestic FC Bowlers over some white ball bowlers in test cricket. Simple reason It's an easy task to ball 4 and 10 overs in limited-over cricket but it's a completely different ball game when you have to bowl 20 odd overs a day and stay on your feet for the rest of the day.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 20, 2022, 02:27:50 AM

In what world Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf are experienced?

Naseem might have played 14 odd matches but he's still new in the Red ball. Haris Rauf was one of many debutants in this series and he hardly has any domestic experience as far as 4 days cricket goes. Maybe you are confusing T-20 and Test.

I wasn't talking about test cricket only. I was just saying that Shaheen, Naseem and Haris have a lot of international experience and the new bowers Pakistan included for this series didn't had any. For example, Haris Rauf has a total of 73 international matches to his name, and has has played against pig-3 sides regularly. Now compared to this, I would say that players such as Abrar Ahmed, Nauman Ali and Mohammad Wasim are less experienced. Abrar was playing in his first international, and Nauman and Wasim are having 12 and 35 international matches to their name.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 19, 2022, 10:41:40 PM

But to their defense, Pakistan were without most of their experienced pacers, such as Shaheen Shah, Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf.

In what world Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf are experienced?

Naseem might have played 14 odd matches but he's still new in the Red ball. Haris Rauf was one of many debutants in this series and he hardly has any domestic experience as far as 4 days cricket goes. Maybe you are confusing T-20 and Test.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 19, 2022, 09:18:35 PM

You cannot deny that the England test team is far better than Pakistan. I would understand the bowling situation but what about their batting? They have to work a lot on their domestic cricket in order to find good talents. Current Pakistan test team is very poor when compared to what they had in the past. Losing a series on their homeground just shows how much theyhave gone from bad to worst.

Agree England team played some wonderful cricket but Pakistani team were way more gracious to batters like Crawley, Ben Duckett and Pope.

In the last 2 series against Aus and Eng, as a team, they were good in patches but overall it was a show of mediocrity.

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After Pakistan's loss at Karachi, the Icelandic Cricket Association put up a tweet to troll PCB.

https://twitter.com/icelandcricket/status/1604823910008164355

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Message to @TheRealPCB, we are happy to come and tour Pakistan and lose 3-0, getting chopped up and sugared like marmalade. Just letting you know in the interests of balance. And we will score at 0.7 not 7.0 an over.

PCB deserves these sort of trolls. What were they thinking while preparing substandard pitches? England chased the required 112 runs in just 17 overs, at a rate of around 7 runs per over. Apart from Abrar Ahmed, all the other Pakistani bowlers were disappointing. But to their defense, Pakistan were without most of their experienced pacers, such as Shaheen Shah, Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf.

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Pakistan's batting line-up is weak as we have seen it in the last few years. The Pakistan board has failed to find talented batsmen for their squad. Pakistan's bowling line-up is very strong. But they are still dependent on the performances of Babar Azam and Rizwan. If these two players do not play well, Pakistan team cannot collect big. Unless Pakistan's batting line-up improves, and the batsmen do not consistently perform well, Pakistan will not be able to improve in the Test format.

Atm, I doubt if anyone considers Pakistani bowling lineup strong.

They have good white bowlers but it's not true in Test cricket at all, it's the weakest bowling lineup I've witnessed from Pakistan. Shaheen is the only capable name that comes to my mind. Naseem and Rauf are good but they need to play more red-ball cricket in domestic so their body doesn't break after bowling 15 overs a day. Everybody knows how their body broke after playing just 1 test.

Abrar is a good find in the spin department but I believe he's going to lose his mystery advantage after a few series so management needs to take care of him and allow his art to mature even if he fails sometimes.

You cannot deny that the England test team is far better than Pakistan. I would understand the bowling situation but what about their batting? They have to work a lot on their domestic cricket in order to find good talents. Current Pakistan test team is very poor when compared to what they had in the past. Losing a series on their homeground just shows how much theyhave gone from bad to worst.

Every team has drawbacks. Every team has some mismanagements. Every team has some players who need more practice.
We can't say anything or can't underestimate or can't set a mind about the team. Because anytime any team can perform well and can eliminate their major issues.
A small team can win from a big team if it play well and has good management.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2022, 04:19:57 PM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on December 19, 2022, 01:53:22 PM

Pakistan's batting line-up is weak as we have seen it in the last few years. The Pakistan board has failed to find talented batsmen for their squad. Pakistan's bowling line-up is very strong. But they are still dependent on the performances of Babar Azam and Rizwan. If these two players do not play well, Pakistan team cannot collect big. Unless Pakistan's batting line-up improves, and the batsmen do not consistently perform well, Pakistan will not be able to improve in the Test format.

Atm, I doubt if anyone considers Pakistani bowling lineup strong.

They have good white bowlers but it's not true in Test cricket at all, it's the weakest bowling lineup I've witnessed from Pakistan. Shaheen is the only capable name that comes to my mind. Naseem and Rauf are good but they need to play more red-ball cricket in domestic so their body doesn't break after bowling 15 overs a day. Everybody knows how their body broke after playing just 1 test.

Abrar is a good find in the spin department but I believe he's going to lose his mystery advantage after a few series so management needs to take care of him and allow his art to mature even if he fails sometimes.

You cannot deny that the England test team is far better than Pakistan. I would understand the bowling situation but what about their batting? They have to work a lot on their domestic cricket in order to find good talents. Current Pakistan test team is very poor when compared to what they had in the past. Losing a series on their homeground just shows how much theyhave gone from bad to worst.

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This again shows that Pakistan is weak in their batting side not only in ODI and T20 format but also in Test format. And here the dependence on Babar Azam is also noticeable. But it is true that Shakil was also good in todays series. But currently England need only 55 run to win and I think it will be pretty for them cause they have more 8 wicket in hands.

Pakistan are almost out of the WTC race thanks to this loss and they are performing like crap in the test format, but this doesn't imply that their performance is bad in the ODI and T-20 formats too.

They reached the final in the recent T-20 World Cup and they defeated teams like Australia, West Indies etc in recent ODI tournaments which proves my point.

Pakistan domestic set up is completely joke as few months back we have few changes which were going to help them for having better results, but now change of government mean they are again having change in their set-up as well which is indicating how strong political influence is working in this system which is not allowing them to have better strategy and development for improvement of the game and performance with the lost of this series now WTC final is already ended even now they will be ended at the spot of 6 or 5.

White ball is completely different format where you can adjust quickly, and you have few options but here in red ball you have to go with better technique and skills which must but after this series I have feeling their domestic set up is surely crap, and they need long time for having better results in this red ball format.

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Quote from: MoonOfLife on December 19, 2022, 05:57:28 AM

I would say that Pakistan will lose the third match as well as the first two Test matches. They are not strong enough. It is not possible to win against a Test experienced team like England with an erratic batting line-up. There is no player in the Pakistan team now who can bat responsibly. Pakistan has lost 6 wickets and now leads England by 127 runs. A target of at least 300 runs must be given to winning. But I think Pakistani players will be able to give a target of 200-220.

Pakistan already lost this series by 3 - 0, and it's all happen just because of poor management bad selection and bad captaincy which mean England outclass them in all departments with on and off the field which is surely amazing change for England in red ball format after having their supremacy in white ball game with winning ODI and twenty/20 world cups. I never thought about them as they can do things like these what an amazing change in their approach in this game and now with this approach they can bring revolutionary changes in their own set-up which will help them for having more improvements in near future.

Pakistan now after losing second successive series at home and now with the first time in history whit washed at home, hopefully Babar will lose captaincy, and we will have wholesale changes for the New Zealand series.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on December 19, 2022, 01:53:22 PM

Pakistan's batting line-up is weak as we have seen it in the last few years. The Pakistan board has failed to find talented batsmen for their squad. Pakistan's bowling line-up is very strong. But they are still dependent on the performances of Babar Azam and Rizwan. If these two players do not play well, Pakistan team cannot collect big. Unless Pakistan's batting line-up improves, and the batsmen do not consistently perform well, Pakistan will not be able to improve in the Test format.

Atm, I doubt if anyone considers Pakistani bowling lineup strong.

They have good white bowlers but it's not true in Test cricket at all, it's the weakest bowling lineup I've witnessed from Pakistan. Shaheen is the only capable name that comes to my mind. Naseem and Rauf are good but they need to play more red-ball cricket in domestic so their body doesn't break after bowling 15 overs a day. Everybody knows how their body broke after playing just 1 test.

Abrar is a good find in the spin department but I believe he's going to lose his mystery advantage after a few series so management needs to take care of him and allow his art to mature even if he fails sometimes.

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Now after losing two matches they are doing good job in this test match and after end of second day play they are trailing by 29 runs with 10 wickets in hand but right now Pakistan have lost 3 wickets before reaching 100 runs

It's true that Pakistani batting lineup is totally unpredictable anything can happen, now before the lunch A.Shafiq ,S.Masood and the player who play his last match of his career name Azhar Ali also dismissed at golden duck, but Pakistan are fully confident to score a big target like 400 & the reason of confident is the Captain Baber Azam on crease, whole Pakistan hope that Baber will score a handsome runs because he is the only batter in lineup who change the whole game.

Which Pakistan hope you are talking about? Alone one batsman cannot make you win a test match. Babar Azam only scored 54 runs and it was never going to be enough when the rest of the team members almost failed to score. Yes, Saud Shakeel also scored 53 but still Pakistan were all out at 216.
England now needs only 55 runs to win and this will be another one-sided easy win for England. England will win the series by 3-0. That is an exceptional performance by team England.

When you give a target of 167, you cannot expect too much from your bowling department. And that is also against a team like England. This test match is also going to end before the end of day four. Right now England needs 55 runs and they have eight wickets in hand and they have two full days of test cricket to achieve that. There is no way Pakistan is going to win this match. Unless they can somehow make the impossible possible.

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Pakistan's batting in this match was much better than the previous two matches. Even then they are 50 runs behind England. Pakistan team was defeated in the first two matches. They will definitely want to win this match. But it is difficult to beat an experienced team like England. If Pakistan can't muster more than 450 in their second innings then I don't think they have a chance to win.

Now after losing two matches they are doing good job in this test match and after end of second day play they are trailing by 29 runs with 10 wickets in hand but right now Pakistan have lost 3 wickets before reaching 100 runs

It's true that Pakistani batting lineup is totally unpredictable anything can happen, now before the lunch A.Shafiq ,S.Masood and the player who play his last match of his career name Azhar Ali also dismissed at golden duck, but Pakistan are fully confident to score a big target like 400 & the reason of confident is the Captain Baber Azam on crease, whole Pakistan hope that Baber will score a handsome runs because he is the only batter in lineup who change the whole game.

Which Pakistan hope you are talking about? Alone one batsman cannot make you win a test match. Babar Azam only scored 54 runs and it was never going to be enough when the rest of the team members almost failed to score. Yes, Saud Shakeel also scored 53 but still Pakistan were all out at 216.

England now needs only 55 runs to win and this will be another one-sided easy win for England. England will win the series by 3-0. That is an exceptional performance by team England.

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