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Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2023, 01:53:10 AM

New Zealand had a strong team around 2019-20 (first WTC cycle) and they toured Australia for 3 test matches, this was a result.

1st test - Australia won by 296 runs
2nd test -Australia won by 247 runs
3rd test - Australia won by 279 runs

Only 3 countries bring money to the table as far as Test cricket is concerned.

India (Pick any Test series): In the Last BGT trophy in Australia during COVID-19 CA earned close to $200 million and they were about to declare bankruptcy, there were reports that CA was lacking funds to even pay salaries. To give you overall context, the last T-20 WC in Australia fetched CA $70 Million. I'll give you another example in the same context, atm India is on SA tour for one month and CSA will earn in between $55-$65 Million from this.

And then we have England and Australia but apart from the Ashes and matches against India, they hardly earn anything from any test series. For other cricket boards it's just loss making affair unless BIG-3 travelling them.

Well.. I guess I followed the 2019-20 series, but don't remember that much. Anyway, results were disappointing for the Kiwis and no doubt about it. I checked the records, and the last time New Zealand won the Trans-Tasman series was in 1989-90. And this is when they had players such as Richard Hadlee and John Wright in the squad. After that they had draws on three occasions, but never managed to win the series. But I have very fond memories of some of these matches from the 2001–02 and 2004–05 seasons. That was when Warne and McGrath used to take on Stephen Fleming/Nathan Astle.

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Quote from: Cheema02 on December 13, 2023, 04:24:03 AM

Pakistan Vs Australia 1st Test Match

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the upcoming Pakistan vs. Australia test match! It's great to see the enthusiasm for the team and the analysis of the squad. While Australia may be the favorite, your loyalty to Pakistan is admirable. It's impressive that Pakistan recently beat Sri Lanka and is leading the World Test Championship points table. Regarding the pace attack, it's true that experience matters, and Shaheen Shah Afridi is a key player. It'll be interesting to see if Mir Hamza and Hassan make it to the playing XI against Australia. Let's hope for a thrilling match and a successful series for Pakistan. Best of luck to the team!

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Pakistan Vs Australia 1st Test Match
The first test match between Pakistan and Australia has started for tomorrow. Australia is favourite to win this match but as i Pakistani i love to winning Pakistan to this series. Pakistan recently beat Srilanka by 2 match series by 2-0, and top of world test championship points tables with 24 points. Pakistan made some new players in this squad and chances to get test debut new player like Amir Jamal and khurma Shahzad. I think the pace attack of Pakistan is poor only i experience bowler Shaheen shah Afridi is palying, but Personally i like mir hamza and Hassan in playing Xi against Australia.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 13, 2023, 01:22:24 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2023, 01:18:14 AM

You have a weird obsession with Trans-Tasmen series Tongue

. It's considered one of the dead bilateral series in Australia, it's similar to Ind vs SL where only one team wins and statspad all the time.

I noticed many posters are here saying that Test cricket is dying, this statement is half true. Numbers suggest that in BIG-3, it's doing more than enough, you have to look at how CA and ECB are fetching big amounts for their test series against India. In the current cycle Media rights deal broke the previous records.

Test cricket is dying argument only works when someone is playing 3 or 2 matches series.

New Zealand always plays their best when they take on Australia. And that is what makes this series exciting to watch. And a few years ago, New Zealand was the top test side and these matches used to be very competitive. But now they are considerably weakened, and I don't know whether they can be competitive anymore against Australia. There is still a lot of money involved in test cricket, especially in matches involving India, Australia, Pakistan and England. But the share in overall revenue is declining, if I am not wrong.

New Zealand had a strong team around 2019-20 (first WTC cycle) and they toured Australia for 3 test matches, this was a result.

1st test - Australia won by 296 runs
2nd test -Australia won by 247 runs
3rd test - Australia won by 279 runs

Only 3 countries bring money to the table as far as Test cricket is concerned.

India (Pick any Test series): In the Last BGT trophy in Australia during COVID-19 CA earned close to $200 million and they were about to declare bankruptcy, there were reports that CA was lacking funds to even pay salaries. To give you overall context, the last T-20 WC in Australia fetched CA $70 Million. I'll give you another example in the same context, atm India is on SA tour for one month and CSA will earn in between $55-$65 Million from this.

And then we have England and Australia but apart from the Ashes and matches against India, they hardly earn anything from any test series. For other cricket boards it's just loss making affair unless BIG-3 travelling them.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2023, 01:18:14 AM

You have a weird obsession with Trans-Tasmen series Tongue

. It's considered one of the dead bilateral series in Australia, it's similar to Ind vs SL where only one team wins and statspad all the time.

I noticed many posters are here saying that Test cricket is dying, this statement is half true. Numbers suggest that in BIG-3, it's doing more than enough, you have to look at how CA and ECB are fetching big amounts for their test series against India. In the current cycle Media rights deal broke the previous records.

Test cricket is dying argument only works when someone is playing 3 or 2 matches series.

New Zealand always plays their best when they take on Australia. And that is what makes this series exciting to watch. And a few years ago, New Zealand was the top test side and these matches used to be very competitive. But now they are considerably weakened, and I don't know whether they can be competitive anymore against Australia. There is still a lot of money involved in test cricket, especially in matches involving India, Australia, Pakistan and England. But the share in overall revenue is declining, if I am not wrong.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 12, 2023, 09:53:54 PM

Well... I agree that the number of test matches should be reduced. Apart from a few series such as the Ashes, Border-Gavaskar and Trans-Tasman, very few cricket fans nowadays watch the test matches. And even then, teams spend anywhere from 50 to 80 days every year playing test cricket (more than that in any other format). The way to move forward is to reduce the number of test matches, and to increase the number of T20 matches. But there is a lot of resistance from the ICC and BCCI. The sooner they realize it, that better.

You have a weird obsession with Trans-Tasmen series Tongue

. It's considered one of the dead bilateral series in Australia, it's similar to Ind vs SL where only one team wins and statspad all the time.

I noticed many posters are here saying that Test cricket is dying, this statement is half true. Numbers suggest that in BIG-3, it's doing more than enough, you have to look at how CA and ECB are fetching big amounts for their test series against India. In the current cycle Media rights deal broke the previous records.

Test cricket is dying argument only works when someone is playing 3 or 2 matches series.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on December 12, 2023, 12:18:02 PM

I honestly think that it is time for cricket to let go of test cricket. And this is one format that absolutely nobody watches. Everybody just watches the result of the test match and the highlights at max. No one actually watches the whole test match for 5 days. I am pretty sure that nobody actually watches a test match for even a single day. It is just not the best investment by the ICC. I personally think this quick should not be a format in this day and age.

BCB has a lot of problems going on. I think it is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the whole world. And that's why improvements are not happening.

Well... I agree that the number of test matches should be reduced. Apart from a few series such as the Ashes, Border-Gavaskar and Trans-Tasman, very few cricket fans nowadays watch the test matches. And even then, teams spend anywhere from 50 to 80 days every year playing test cricket (more than that in any other format). The way to move forward is to reduce the number of test matches, and to increase the number of T20 matches. But there is a lot of resistance from the ICC and BCCI. The sooner they realize it, that better.

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I don't know how true such news is but while scrolling through the news feed one such news comes in front of me where it is said that BCB has been fined for making poor quality wickets. If ICC takes such action against BCB then it is not wrong action at all because Mirpur wicket was really bad and very low quality wicket made by curator. The batsmen cannot bat well on such wickets, the bowlers bowl well. Looking at this bad wicket of Mirpur, it seems that even if any cricketer from the neighborhood is allowed to bowl, he will still bowl well on that wicket. Bangladesh should stop making such wickets not for fear of penalty but for the sake of their own cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 11, 2023, 10:26:12 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on December 11, 2023, 10:18:02 PM

@SATWAT should ICC end test cricket so other formats can prosper maybe I’m tempted to say yes but Test cricket also has it’s moments but the current generation doesn’t want to spend time watching it so maybe ICC will scrap it and we’ll have to accept the reality. @Sithara007 I can’t find fault with what Bangladesh is doing because unlike the big 4 they actually need the revenue to survive hence I’m sympathetic with them.

LOL.. test cricket is not going to "end" anytime soon. On the other hand, it is prioritized by the ICC and that is the reason why test nations get 50x the funding that others get. Well Juggy777, I agree with you that BCB is short on funds. But at the same time, available funds are not being used fairly. And their annual fund allocation is not that small. Next year, they are supposed to receive $26.74 million from the ICC. This is more than enough to revamp their domestic structure, but the BCB doesn't seems to have any interest in doing it.

I honestly think that it is time for cricket to let go of test cricket. And this is one format that absolutely nobody watches. Everybody just watches the result of the test match and the highlights at max. No one actually watches the whole test match for 5 days. I am pretty sure that nobody actually watches a test match for even a single day. It is just not the best investment by the ICC. I personally think this quick should not be a format in this day and age.

BCB has a lot of problems going on. I think it is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the whole world. And that's why improvements are not happening.

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Quote from: onecall123 on December 12, 2023, 09:42:07 AM

Finally, there's a demerit point for the Mirpur Test. The pitch used in the second Test between Bangladesh and New Zealand has received a rating from the ICC. This decision from the ICC has been eagerly awaited. The Dhaka Test pitch has been given an unsatisfactory rating along with 1 demerit point.
ICC should advise the Bangladesh Cricket Board to improve pitch conditions before hosting any international matches. It's crucial for the BCB to ensure that such issues don't happen repeatedly.

This is definitely a good step. But my question is how are they going to measure this? Is this bad? Because it was favored towards the spin bowlers? And would it have been very good if it was favored towards the fast bowlers?

Of course, there is a thing in cricket which is an unsafe pitch. That definitely deserves some demerits. But I really wonder how this is going to be measured. Is it just going to be good if a lot of runs are going to be scored?

I think those people who actually still see test matches, once the test match to have a result. And the track favoring the bowlers are a big aspect of the test match having a result. Because otherwise it is just going to be draws.

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Finally, there's a demerit point for the Mirpur Test. The pitch used in the second Test between Bangladesh and New Zealand has received a rating from the ICC. This decision from the ICC has been eagerly awaited. The Dhaka Test pitch has been given an unsatisfactory rating along with 1 demerit point.
ICC should advise the Bangladesh Cricket Board to improve pitch conditions before hosting any international matches. It's crucial for the BCB to ensure that such issues don't happen repeatedly.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 11, 2023, 10:18:02 PM

@SATWAT should ICC end test cricket so other formats can prosper maybe I’m tempted to say yes but Test cricket also has it’s moments but the current generation doesn’t want to spend time watching it so maybe ICC will scrap it and we’ll have to accept the reality. @Sithara007 I can’t find fault with what Bangladesh is doing because unlike the big 4 they actually need the revenue to survive hence I’m sympathetic with them.

LOL.. test cricket is not going to "end" anytime soon. On the other hand, it is prioritized by the ICC and that is the reason why test nations get 50x the funding that others get. Well Juggy777, I agree with you that BCB is short on funds. But at the same time, available funds are not being used fairly. And their annual fund allocation is not that small. Next year, they are supposed to receive $26.74 million from the ICC. This is more than enough to revamp their domestic structure, but the BCB doesn't seems to have any interest in doing it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 11, 2023, 10:01:49 PM

Quote from: SATWAT on December 11, 2023, 07:05:38 PM

There is no doubt about this now many ICC members are looking for having something positive changes because now having teams for the three formats are not working burden is increasing and teams performance is also on decline so in this situation they can allow members if someone wants to scrap any format this could be ok for them if we have this situation then surely few improvements can happen and many teams will love to go with alone twenty/20 format which is better and profitable for the all but this all is not possible in near future we have to wait for this and surely this could be big change in game and can bring good improvement in quality of teams and players as well.

For a full-member nation in division one, it is mandatory to play a fixed number of test matches every year, as the part of the 2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship. I know that some of the boards such as the BCB are not keen on this format, because there is not much revenue inflow. But they need to play anyway. And it doesn't help that they are trying very little to improve their domestic first class structure. A lot of focus is on BPL, because it is a big revenue churner. But that has meant that the 4-day domestic system is hardly given any importance at all.

@SATWAT should ICC end test cricket so other formats can prosper maybe I’m tempted to say yes but Test cricket also has it’s moments but the current generation doesn’t want to spend time watching it so maybe ICC will scrap it and we’ll have to accept the reality. @Sithara007 I can’t find fault with what Bangladesh is doing because unlike the big 4 they actually need the revenue to survive hence I’m sympathetic with them.

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Quote from: SATWAT on December 11, 2023, 07:05:38 PM

There is no doubt about this now many ICC members are looking for having something positive changes because now having teams for the three formats are not working burden is increasing and teams performance is also on decline so in this situation they can allow members if someone wants to scrap any format this could be ok for them if we have this situation then surely few improvements can happen and many teams will love to go with alone twenty/20 format which is better and profitable for the all but this all is not possible in near future we have to wait for this and surely this could be big change in game and can bring good improvement in quality of teams and players as well.

For a full-member nation in division one, it is mandatory to play a fixed number of test matches every year, as the part of the 2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship. I know that some of the boards such as the BCB are not keen on this format, because there is not much revenue inflow. But they need to play anyway. And it doesn't help that they are trying very little to improve their domestic first class structure. A lot of focus is on BPL, because it is a big revenue churner. But that has meant that the 4-day domestic system is hardly given any importance at all.

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Quote from: Ayers on December 11, 2023, 05:38:11 AM

If we talk about test cricket, Bangladesh is not very good. But if we talk about the other formats of cricket, I will say that Bangladesh is just having a bad time. But let's talk about test cricket, for now, Bangladesh is not very good at it. And at this moment I do not think Bangladesh should actually think about getting better in test cricket. It will be far better if they think about improving in other formats. Especially in t20 cricket. Because that is definitely going to be the future of cricket.

Yes, I agree with you that Bangladesh is not a well-playing Test Cricket Team. Bangladesh needs more concentration to find well-playing player hunting missions to arrange many more tournaments inside Bangladesh. I hope many more tournament helps Bangladesh to find perfect players by root. On the other hand, if the Bangladesh Cricket Board decides to concentrate on the field of T20. I think in the future, T20 will be the only game for Cricket.

Do you agree with me?

There is no doubt about this now many ICC members are looking for having something positive changes because now having teams for the three formats are not working burden is increasing and teams performance is also on decline so in this situation they can allow members if someone wants to scrap any format this could be ok for them if we have this situation then surely few improvements can happen and many teams will love to go with alone twenty/20 format which is better and profitable for the all but this all is not possible in near future we have to wait for this and surely this could be big change in game and can bring good improvement in quality of teams and players as well.

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Quote from: LDL on December 11, 2023, 11:17:47 AM

Pakistan's new captain's match is going to be played between Australia and Pakistan in a 5-day Test on December 14. But what will be the result of the match is not an important issue but it is to be seen how much the new captain Shaan Masood can fulfill the responsibility of Pakistan. Not only the responsibility of Shaan Masood as captain will be seen but the responsibility and capacity of the entire Pakistani management team may be questioned. However, I hope that Pakistan will play well and wish Shaan Masood as the new captain to perform well.

The odds heavily favor Australia who are bringing all their big guns out in their own backyard which is why Pakistan should at the very least try to draw the series since I am not expecting them to win at all.

It will be weird watching Babar without his captaincy tag after a very long time, but this will definitely lessen the burden on him.

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Quote from: Bureau on December 10, 2023, 01:28:16 PM

So what happened when Pakistan played against the b tem of Australia. I didn't follow the game, while checking Espn web portal I found that the won. Good for Pakistan but the margin if win was very little. How did the new captain perform and some of thier batters who were struggling?

The next game would be against the team that won the ashes. Do you guys think it will be a good game to watch or should I keep myself to highlights. I most of the time only watch highlights of a 5 day game but, this time I have the curiosity to watch the new captain of Pakistan for a test match. Do you think it is worth watching?

Pakistan's new captain's match is going to be played between Australia and Pakistan in a 5-day Test on December 14. But what will be the result of the match is not an important issue but it is to be seen how much the new captain Shaan Masood can fulfill the responsibility of Pakistan. Not only the responsibility of Shaan Masood as captain will be seen but the responsibility and capacity of the entire Pakistani management team may be questioned. However, I hope that Pakistan will play well and wish Shaan Masood as the new captain to perform well.

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Quote from: Bureau on December 10, 2023, 01:28:16 PM

So what happened when Pakistan played against the b tem of Australia. I didn't follow the game, while checking Espn web portal I found that the won. Good for Pakistan but the margin if win was very little. How did the new captain perform and some of thier batters who were struggling?

The next game would be against the team that won the ashes. Do you guys think it will be a good game to watch or should I keep myself to highlights. I most of the time only watch highlights of a 5 day game but, this time I have the curiosity to watch the new captain of Pakistan for a test match. Do you think it is worth watching?

Most of the time Pakistan's tour of Australia has never been ideal for them because mostly they have serious problems and huge defeats as well which is now their trademark in Australia even they have few good individuals but still they have never been able to produce good results which make things worst for them now after having poor results in World Cup in India they are starting their game with this difficult tour on 14th December from Perth their tour is going to start, and their problems already started spinner Abrar Ahmed is out with injury now they are having Sajid Khan for replacement even their batting performance was good in tour game, but their bowling is going to have the worst time with no one having anything positive about this tour.

For me most chances we are going for another 2–0 or 3–0 result in this series because rain or something can bring better for them but as they are having squad I have feeling they could be faced another humiliating defeat on this tour.

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Quote from: MusaPk on December 11, 2023, 03:32:21 AM

Bangladesh has got test status in 2000 and they also have proper domestic setup along with T20 League. Despite all that hard work there performance in international cricket is never satisfactory. Afghanistan who don't have proper domestic setup and no popular T20 league, they are much ahead of Afghanistan in terms of performance in International cricket. Preparing such friendly pitches is doing more harm to Bangladesh cricket then good.

Afghanistan may have gained recognition in the game of cricket later than Bangladesh but they have many quality players and star players from Bangladesh.Afghanistan may not have as popular a league as Bangladesh, but most of player in their country regularly plays in the Indian and Australian Sri Lankan Premier Leagues and the Caribbean Premier League.I have been watching Afghanistan games regularly since 2015 and since then I can see that Afghanistan is constantly improving and producing quality players in their team.
One of the problems with the Bangladesh team is that they are very strong on their home ground due to the fact that they create spin-friendly pitch that make it difficult for other teams to play.Due to this problem of Bangladesh, they cannot play well in foreign soil and cannot win any match easily.I think Bangladeshi players will start doing well whenever this problem is solved.

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Quote from: ibuddy122505 on December 10, 2023, 07:16:09 AM

A great win by New Zealand! Their approached these pitches with the right attitude—no blocking, just aggressive play. But, Bangladesh's strategy backfired, and the fact that almost 180 overs were bowled shows how challenging the pitch was. It seems like Bangladesh prefers to celebrate success despite facing criticism.

The players do not prefer such wickets. We understand this because some players mistakenly gave their honest opinions regarding the wicket in several media before. But, it's the management who prefers such a wicket because they want to win anyhow. Once Sakib said, It won't take too long to destroy a batter's career if he plays a season in such wicket.

Quote from: ibuddy122505 on December 10, 2023, 07:16:09 AM

Perhaps more demerit points are on the way. Still, I argue that no international match should be held until Bangladesh creates wickets that are worthy of test cricket.

I haven't heard anything about demerit points yet. I haven't checked any articles yet regarding the wicket. But, I agree. ICC should force them not to organize matches in such wickets. The reality is, that ICC cannot do this until the ground gets some demerit points.

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