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Quote from: KennyR on April 17, 2022, 11:56:25 AM

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As a result of a magnificent Test series win over England, West Indies will participate in the remaining matches for the 2023 World Test Championship. West Indies' experience was a great start to their WTC23 journey. At home, they were much more determined than England. However, will they continue to dominate including away series against South Africa and tournament leaders Australia?

I really don't think that is going to happen because South Africa and Australia both are really great test teams and they also play great test cricket regardless of playing home or away.
I think the reason why they were able to win against England is that the England team is not in the best state right now and West Indies were playing on their home ground. but the situation is absolutely different when they will be playing against Australia and South Africa.

West Indies have got the home ground advantage, and West Indies is a team that gives unexpected performance. In this series West Indies have played good, if not the first two matches wouldn't be drawn. England is with its full team. In recent days, teams in the low bottom have been performing good.

But the teams that are at the bottom are going to perform well for only so much time right?

I think it is just a matter of time before these teams are going to face harder opponents and ultimately lose against them. and on the home ground, these teams have some certain advantages so they are playing well. I don't think in other conditions they will be able to repeat these types of results anymore.

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Quote from: Maidak on April 17, 2022, 11:25:29 AM

Quote from: onecall123 on April 16, 2022, 11:28:58 PM

As a result of a magnificent Test series win over England, West Indies will participate in the remaining matches for the 2023 World Test Championship. West Indies' experience was a great start to their WTC23 journey. At home, they were much more determined than England. However, will they continue to dominate including away series against South Africa and tournament leaders Australia?

I really don't think that is going to happen because South Africa and Australia both are really great test teams and they also play great test cricket regardless of playing home or away.

I think the reason why they were able to win against England is that the England team is not in the best state right now and West Indies were playing on their home ground. but the situation is absolutely different when they will be playing against Australia and South Africa.

West Indies have got the home ground advantage, and West Indies is a team that gives unexpected performance. In this series West Indies have played good, if not the first two matches wouldn't be drawn. England is with its full team. In recent days, teams in the low bottom have been performing good.

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Quote from: onecall123 on April 16, 2022, 11:28:58 PM

As a result of a magnificent Test series win over England, West Indies will participate in the remaining matches for the 2023 World Test Championship. West Indies' experience was a great start to their WTC23 journey. At home, they were much more determined than England. However, will they continue to dominate including away series against South Africa and tournament leaders Australia?

I really don't think that is going to happen because South Africa and Australia both are really great test teams and they also play great test cricket regardless of playing home or away.

I think the reason why they were able to win against England is that the England team is not in the best state right now and West Indies were playing on their home ground. but the situation is absolutely different when they will be playing against Australia and South Africa.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 17, 2022, 12:30:25 AM

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Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

You are completely wrong in this case, if these both bowlers are giving their best and fit for selection, then surely there is no reason to retire. They can play as they are fit for England, age is never been a factor for any player.

About England It's already talked many times on different forums their complete system need some good surgery because they are running this from many decades, and now It's already badly collapsed which need good changes, and then they can do some good in coming days otherwise they never have any ideal team and good players like Australia which is currently best in business just because of their dedication and investments which are giving them good dividend.

Here in this case not only England, many other teams and boards also need to have their system overhaul like them and bring some good quality which must for right now if you want to stay in good position.

I really don't understand why a player would need to retire if they are performing well for the team? And obviously, if a new bowler or any young talent can prove to be better than them I think there will obviously be given a chance to prove themselves.

Both of these bowlers are really great and still performing well in my opinion. I don't see there is any reason for them to retire but I obviously think that England should also manage their youngsters properly because when these players will eventually retire, there need to be other players who can replace them instantly and do as good as they are doing.

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Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

As long as they are performing what is the point in retiring. They do not have a strike bowler who could replace both these players and until then they will continue until they are fit to play Test matches.

I also agree that as long as a player is performing well I don't think there is any reason for him to retire. it's not like the player is not bowling well at all at the moment. actually, I think he is still a very important player for the England team and contributes really often.

At the moment to be honest I don't think there is anything interesting about this England cricket team because there is no youngster that it can be said we'll carry on The Legacy of the England cricket team.

I still remember the time when Joe Root came into the England cricket team. he has matured a lot and also got better. and in my opinion, he was also nurtured really well. we need a lot more players like him in the England cricket team.

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As long as they are performing what is the point in retiring. They do not have a strike bowler who could replace both these players and until then they will continue until they are fit to play Test matches.

They both are over 38 years and that's not the age for fast bowler to play a test match. If ECB keep on relying on these aged players and don't wanna move to young talent that can serve them for next 10 to 15 years then things will get more tough for them in the long run.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 16, 2022, 03:00:46 AM

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Stuart Broad seems front runner but i guess he's 35-ish already so imo it would be short term gig for him. This won't be a bad choice for short term if he's captaining the team for full home season because he can get into the playing XI without any fuss. At the same time management can groom some one else for future, may be Burns, Ben Foakes? I still don't understand why Broad was dropped from the team in the first place.

Most of the time i really do not understand their rotation policy and how they pick the players to rest, i understand that it helps prolong their career but they need to start grooming young players. Stuart Broad should be the captain now and once Ben Stokes is fit enough to lead the country i am sure he will take over because majority of the former captains wants to see Ben Stokes as the captain.

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 16, 2022, 11:58:01 AM

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Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

As long as they are performing what is the point in retiring. They do not have a strike bowler who could replace both these players and until then they will continue until they are fit to play Test matches.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 17, 2022, 12:30:25 AM

You are completely wrong in this case, if these both bowlers are giving their best and fit for selection, then surely there is no reason to retire. They can play as they are fit for England, age is never been a factor for any player.

About England It's already talked many times on different forums their complete system need some good surgery because they are running this from many decades, and now It's already badly collapsed which need good changes, and then they can do some good in coming days otherwise they never have any ideal team and good players like Australia which is currently best in business just because of their dedication and investments which are giving them good dividend.

Though Anderson and Broad are both fit but still ECB need to find suitable replacement for both these players as they both have reached maximum age of retirement. Right now England test team as a whole is under crisis, they don't only lack in pace attack but also in batting.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 16, 2022, 11:58:01 AM

Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

You are completely wrong in this case, if these both bowlers are giving their best and fit for selection, then surely there is no reason to retire. They can play as they are fit for England, age is never been a factor for any player.

About England It's already talked many times on different forums their complete system need some good surgery because they are running this from many decades, and now It's already badly collapsed which need good changes, and then they can do some good in coming days otherwise they never have any ideal team and good players like Australia which is currently best in business just because of their dedication and investments which are giving them good dividend.

Here in this case not only England, many other teams and boards also need to have their system overhaul like them and bring some good quality which must for right now if you want to stay in good position.

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As a result of a magnificent Test series win over England, West Indies will participate in the remaining matches for the 2023 World Test Championship. West Indies' experience was a great start to their WTC23 journey. At home, they were much more determined than England. However, will they continue to dominate including away series against South Africa and tournament leaders Australia?

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 16, 2022, 11:58:01 AM

Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

I disagree. Age should not be a factor here. If the younger bowlers like Woakes, Robinson, Overton, Mahmood and Wood have the ability to replace Broad or Anderson on merit, then I don't have a problem in dropping these two senior bowlers. But it looks as if that is not the case. The ECB doesn't have any real excuse to drop them, apart from the age factor. And trust me, if any of the younger bowlers I mentioned earlier had at least 50% of the capability of James Anderson, I would have supported the decision from the ECB.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 16, 2022, 09:19:06 AM

Not just Broad, but Anderson was also dropped unfairly. These guys gave a lot many victories to the England team with their pace bowling and they were dropped without any logical reason. And I fully support the suggestion that Broad should be made the captain. At this point, for me he is one of the frontrunners. I don't have anything against Burns or Foakes, but it is too early to talk about grooming them, when their position in the playing XI is not secure. The ECB can groom 2-3 players, hoping that at least one of them would become a good captain in the next few years.

Broad and Anderson must retire as they have played enough cricket and should give chance to new talent. England team is just like Mumbai Indian they have a good captain like Root but no team. It will now take some years before England can have strong test team.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 16, 2022, 03:00:46 AM

Stuart Broad seems front runner but i guess he's 35-ish already so imo it would be short term gig for him. This won't be a bad choice for short term if he's captaining the team for full home season because he can get into the playing XI without any fuss. At the same time management can groom some one else for future, may be Burns, Ben Foakes? I still don't understand why Broad was dropped from the team in the first place.

Not just Broad, but Anderson was also dropped unfairly. These guys gave a lot many victories to the England team with their pace bowling and they were dropped without any logical reason. And I fully support the suggestion that Broad should be made the captain. At this point, for me he is one of the frontrunners. I don't have anything against Burns or Foakes, but it is too early to talk about grooming them, when their position in the playing XI is not secure. The ECB can groom 2-3 players, hoping that at least one of them would become a good captain in the next few years.

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Good luck to Root. He did really well in past matches and saved his team on many instances.
Be it Bairstow and Stokes - the captain should maintain the standard of the Root he was a pride of the team and did very well in ASHES series.

I do not think Jonny Bairstow or Ben Stokes are ready to become the captain at this moment in time, i would prefer to see Stuart Broad taking over the captaincy and then groom other players that would be capable of leading the country. The reason i do not want to see Ben Stokes is because he took a long break due to mental health issues and for a player like that, captaincy will be a huge burden.

Stuart Broad seems front runner but i guess he's 35-ish already so imo it would be short term gig for him. This won't be a bad choice for short term if he's captaining the team for full home season because he can get into the playing XI without any fuss. At the same time management can groom some one else for future, may be Burns, Ben Foakes? I still don't understand why Broad was dropped from the team in the first place.

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Quote from: Mr.Scott on April 16, 2022, 02:03:31 AM

Regardless of who replaces Root as England's Test skipper, it will be a challenging decision to name the next skipper. I think Root's decision is premature. I'm not convinced there is a suitable replacement for Joe Root. He's a nice chap, but he made the decision to leave. So who is England's next Test captain? Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler are the likely candidates. As you mentioned, Ben Stokes has some injury issues, and he has also taken a long break due to mental health issues. Buttler is a much better option.

England whole team is struggling at the moment and it doesn't matter who will he the next captain, the downfall of England will continue as long as they find suitable 11 players for test. Root decision is best in his own interest not in teams interest.

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Good luck to Root. He did really well in past matches and saved his team on many instances.
Be it Bairstow and Stokes - the captain should maintain the standard of the Root he was a pride of the team and did very well in ASHES series.

I do not think Jonny Bairstow or Ben Stokes are ready to become the captain at this moment in time, i would prefer to see Stuart Broad taking over the captaincy and then groom other players that would be capable of leading the country. The reason i do not want to see Ben Stokes is because he took a long break due to mental health issues and for a player like that, captaincy will be a huge burden.

Regardless of who replaces Root as England's Test skipper, it will be a challenging decision to name the next skipper. I think Root's decision is premature. I'm not convinced there is a suitable replacement for Joe Root. He's a nice chap, but he made the decision to leave. So who is England's next Test captain? Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler are the likely candidates. As you mentioned, Ben Stokes has some injury issues, and he has also taken a long break due to mental health issues. Buttler is a much better option.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on April 15, 2022, 12:05:00 PM

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Good luck to Root. He did really well in past matches and saved his team on many instances.
Be it Bairstow and Stokes - the captain should maintain the standard of the Root he was a pride of the team and did very well in ASHES series.

I do not think Jonny Bairstow or Ben Stokes are ready to become the captain at this moment in time, i would prefer to see Stuart Broad taking over the captaincy and then groom other players that would be capable of leading the country. The reason i do not want to see Ben Stokes is because he took a long break due to mental health issues and for a player like that, captaincy will be a huge burden.

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Pakistan has a flare for cricket. And its played in every street and grounds and youngster idealize cricketers alot. PSL itself was very big success but by the time Rameen Raja has joined the PCB team has performed better and they have gained confidence as well. Pakistani team cannot afford defeat since they know there is so much emotions attached with the game.

Look at all the Asian Cricket playing countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka and you will see youngsters and seniors playing in villages or in cities where they could play the match but the trick is to identify talents from even the remote villages and right now India is doing that and hence seeing more talents than they used to see in the past and if the rest of the countries starts doing that, they will see the changes.

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Quote from: onecall123 on April 15, 2022, 03:37:48 AM

Joe Root resigns as England's Test captain. This is an admirable decision. Over the course of 64 Test matches, he won 27. As a great test player, Root outperforms his peers. There is a crisis in English cricket. The problem isn't just with the captain, but the whole team is at fault. Although finding a better captain is important, it is more important to find some good Test players. Bairstow or Stokes should be the captain. Stokes is a brave player who can make tough decisions. However, their new player cannot perform as much as they expected!

Good luck to Root. He did really well in past matches and saved his team on many instances.
Be it Bairstow and Stokes - the captain should maintain the standard of the Root he was a pride of the team and did very well in ASHES series.

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Quote from: onecall123 on April 15, 2022, 03:37:48 AM

Joe Root resigns as England's Test captain. This is an admirable decision. Over the course of 64 Test matches, he won 27. As a great test player, Root outperforms his peers. There is a crisis in English cricket. The problem isn't just with the captain, but the whole team is at fault. Although finding a better captain is important, it is more important to find some good Test players. Bairstow or Stokes should be the captain. Stokes is a brave player who can make tough decisions. However, their new player cannot perform as much as they expected!

English team in Ashes was deeply dependent on Root and he was the one who saved England from humiliation in Ashes. "I loved leading my country but recently it's hit home how much of a toll it has taken on me - Root on espncricinfo.com ". Ben Stokes performance is disappointing these days he must be given some rest.

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