Author

Topic: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] - page 754. (Read 169270 times)

sr. member
Activity: 966
Merit: 311

I really don’t remember any spin bowler from Pakistan except for Afridi cause he used to bowl Spin, or was he a medium fast bowler always had trouble understanding his bowling. Also didn’t Shaun Tait have that weird action and despite having the pace he barely performed well, just googled and it was also injuries which effected his career, because I clearly remember he had the potential to succeed but he failed too.

You can see quality of his spin by his stats. In 398 ODIs he picked 395 wickets, almost one wicket per ODI. While in 99 T20I he has picked only 98 wickets. He is just an average bowler nothing special about his spin. Despite his average stats both in Batting and bowling he manage to play 398 ODIs for Pakistan.
full member
Activity: 1302
Merit: 129
Vaccinized.. immunity level is full.
~
so I think it is a little something of a psychological thing that is ingrained in their brain. Pakistan has produced some good spin bowlers over the years but in any other country of the subcontinent we see a lot of spin bowlers but not in Pakistan. Here we have the Wannabe Shoaib Akhtar’s.
Imran Khan can be said to be the main reason for the love affair of pace bowling in Pakistan and then they had Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis along with players like Aaqib Javed and the street cricket produces more players and in the streets you need to defeat the batsman with pace and if you are a slow bowler you will be taken apart and may be that is the reason everyone wants to bowl fast and exceptional bowlers get selected to domestic and other levels.

For example in the case of Waqar Younis, who started as a leg spinner but turned to fast bowling and Imran Khan found him playing for clubs and he fast tracked his career in the international level and he was not having much experience playing domestic cricket either when he was picked for Pakistan team, either you need a great captain who can identify talents and have the time to travel the nation to find talents to fast track them or the players need to work hard through the system and gets identified.
I really don't know the situation of Pakistan but I really think that favoritism is Pretty less here compared to India or Bangladesh. I think that is a big reason why Pakistani cricketers are pretty genuine and skillful. And there are people on the board who actually cares about the team more than money.



I really don’t remember any spin bowler from Pakistan except for Afridi cause he used to bowl Spin, or was he a medium fast bowler always had trouble understanding his bowling. Also didn’t Shaun Tait have that weird action and despite having the pace he barely performed well, just googled and it was also injuries which effected his career, because I clearly remember he had the potential to succeed but he failed too.
Shahid Afridi and Saqlain Mushtaq are the two names that come into mind when we talk about Pakistan and spin bowling. And yes Shahid Afridi was a leg-spin bowler who opens bowled at 120+ kmph speed.

So it's OK to get confused by watching his bowling. And Shaun Tait who was a fast bowler, from Australia, is 38 years old right now and just got lost through injuries.



Abdul Qadir, Saqlain Mushtaq, Saeed Ajmal and Danish Kaneria are few name comes to my mind. Qadir and Mustaq were very good and last 2 guys also peaked for quite some time but disappeared for some reasons. In modern times Yasir Shah is my fav pakistani spin bowler but i can't see him anywhere nowadays and he seems to get into limelight due to some shady business irl.
All the names that are mentioned above are some of the Legends of the game and Yasir Shah is a really good leg-spin bowler who had the potential to be mentioned alongside them. But I think he genuinely didn't care. We all know how hard it was at that time to find genuine leg spinners when he came into the scene. But I think he valued other things over his career.
legendary
Activity: 2184
Merit: 1540

I really don’t remember any spin bowler from Pakistan except for Afridi cause he used to bowl Spin, or was he a medium fast bowler always had trouble understanding his bowling. Also didn’t Shaun Tait have that weird action and despite having the pace he barely performed well, just googled and it was also injuries which effected his career, because I clearly remember he had the potential to succeed but he failed too.
Abdul Qadir, Saqlain Mushtaq, Saeed Ajmal and Danish Kaneria are few name comes to my mind. Qadir and Mustaq were very good and last 2 guys also peaked for quite some time but disappeared for some reasons. In modern times Yasir Shah is my fav pakistani spin bowler but i can't see him anywhere nowadays and he seems to get into limelight due to some shady business irl.
hero member
Activity: 2646
Merit: 686
Imran Khan can be said to be the main reason for the love affair of pace bowling in Pakistan and then they had Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis along with players like Aaqib Javed and the street cricket produces more players and in the streets you need to defeat the batsman with pace and if you are a slow bowler you will be taken apart and may be that is the reason everyone wants to bowl fast and exceptional bowlers get selected to domestic and other levels.

For example in the case of Waqar Younis, who started as a leg spinner but turned to fast bowling and Imran Khan found him playing for clubs and he fast tracked his career in the international level and he was not having much experience playing domestic cricket either when he was picked for Pakistan team, either you need a great captain who can identify talents and have the time to travel the nation to find talents to fast track them or the players need to work hard through the system and gets identified.

Agree with this. Spin never had the glamor and blitz that was associated with pace bowling, at least in Pakistan. Back in the 90s, Shoaib Akhtar was all over the news for his attempt to break the 100 mph barrier. Even kids in India that time used to worship him. There was actually a battle between Akhtar and Brett Lee, which got ugly at times. Akhtar eventually broke the barrier, with his 100.2 mph delivery in 2003. His record was eventually broken by Shaun Tait of Australia with a 100.3 mph fireball in 2010.

I really don’t remember any spin bowler from Pakistan except for Afridi cause he used to bowl Spin, or was he a medium fast bowler always had trouble understanding his bowling. Also didn’t Shaun Tait have that weird action and despite having the pace he barely performed well, just googled and it was also injuries which effected his career, because I clearly remember he had the potential to succeed but he failed too.
legendary
Activity: 3346
Merit: 1352
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Imran Khan can be said to be the main reason for the love affair of pace bowling in Pakistan and then they had Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis along with players like Aaqib Javed and the street cricket produces more players and in the streets you need to defeat the batsman with pace and if you are a slow bowler you will be taken apart and may be that is the reason everyone wants to bowl fast and exceptional bowlers get selected to domestic and other levels.

For example in the case of Waqar Younis, who started as a leg spinner but turned to fast bowling and Imran Khan found him playing for clubs and he fast tracked his career in the international level and he was not having much experience playing domestic cricket either when he was picked for Pakistan team, either you need a great captain who can identify talents and have the time to travel the nation to find talents to fast track them or the players need to work hard through the system and gets identified.

Agree with this. Spin never had the glamor and blitz that was associated with pace bowling, at least in Pakistan. Back in the 90s, Shoaib Akhtar was all over the news for his attempt to break the 100 mph barrier. Even kids in India that time used to worship him. There was actually a battle between Akhtar and Brett Lee, which got ugly at times. Akhtar eventually broke the barrier, with his 100.2 mph delivery in 2003. His record was eventually broken by Shaun Tait of Australia with a 100.3 mph fireball in 2010.
hero member
Activity: 2814
Merit: 911
Have Fun )@@( Stay Safe
~
so I think it is a little something of a psychological thing that is ingrained in their brain. Pakistan has produced some good spin bowlers over the years but in any other country of the subcontinent we see a lot of spin bowlers but not in Pakistan. Here we have the Wannabe Shoaib Akhtar’s.
Imran Khan can be said to be the main reason for the love affair of pace bowling in Pakistan and then they had Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis along with players like Aaqib Javed and the street cricket produces more players and in the streets you need to defeat the batsman with pace and if you are a slow bowler you will be taken apart and may be that is the reason everyone wants to bowl fast and exceptional bowlers get selected to domestic and other levels.

For example in the case of Waqar Younis, who started as a leg spinner but turned to fast bowling and Imran Khan found him playing for clubs and he fast tracked his career in the international level and he was not having much experience playing domestic cricket either when he was picked for Pakistan team, either you need a great captain who can identify talents and have the time to travel the nation to find talents to fast track them or the players need to work hard through the system and gets identified.
full member
Activity: 1302
Merit: 129
Vaccinized.. immunity level is full.
Yasir Shah is the only recognized spinner in Pakistani squad AFAIK but he is in reserves. Nauman Ali is good one but he is very new and I havent seen him bowling in Pakistan. If you see squad of Pakistan for this tour then its clearly domnated by pace attacks which tells the story about how pitches will be.

I haven't heard much about Nauman Ali. Why quality spinners are not emerging from Pakistan? If I am not wrong, Saqlain is the head coach of the Pakistan national team as of now. But he mostly stays away from the media. Even in the ongoing PSL, I haven't spotted a lot many quality spin bowlers. There is no dearth of pace bowlers, but the variety in spin is lacking with most of the franchises. This is very ironic, considering the fact that sub-continent teams are considered as spin powerhouses.

I think because Pakistan has a really good history of pace bowlers and mostly because when the kids play pace bowling seems to be more fearsome than spin bowling. because when they are bowling against other kids they think that they have the pace with them and they can beat the batsman easily with that.

so I think it is a little something of a psychological thing that is ingrained in their brain. Pakistan has produced some good spin bowlers over the years but in any other country of the subcontinent we see a lot of spin bowlers but not in Pakistan. Here we have the Wannabe Shoaib Akhtar’s.
sr. member
Activity: 700
Merit: 250


I haven't heard much about Nauman Ali. Why quality spinners are not emerging from Pakistan? If I am not wrong, Saqlain is the head coach of the Pakistan national team as of now. But he mostly stays away from the media. Even in the ongoing PSL, I haven't spotted a lot many quality spin bowlers. There is no dearth of pace bowlers, but the variety in spin is lacking with most of the franchises. This is very ironic, considering the fact that sub-continent teams are considered as spin powerhouses.

After saqlain mustaq the recognised spin bowlers was saeed ajmal who was banned from bowling. Right now Yasir Shah is the only experienced spin bowler in Pakistan side. Nauman Ali and Sajid Khan are new one in spin department and have shown good performance in all there appearances.
Spinners are of no use in T20 as boundaries are short specially in leagues and environment is volatile. That's why most franchise of PSL are not in favour of spinners.
legendary
Activity: 3346
Merit: 1352
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Yasir Shah is the only recognized spinner in Pakistani squad AFAIK but he is in reserves. Nauman Ali is good one but he is very new and I havent seen him bowling in Pakistan. If you see squad of Pakistan for this tour then its clearly domnated by pace attacks which tells the story about how pitches will be.

I haven't heard much about Nauman Ali. Why quality spinners are not emerging from Pakistan? If I am not wrong, Saqlain is the head coach of the Pakistan national team as of now. But he mostly stays away from the media. Even in the ongoing PSL, I haven't spotted a lot many quality spin bowlers. There is no dearth of pace bowlers, but the variety in spin is lacking with most of the franchises. This is very ironic, considering the fact that sub-continent teams are considered as spin powerhouses.
full member
Activity: 1204
Merit: 110
^ The Pakistan squad is certainly dominated by pace bowling. But I do think that if Pakistan makes the tracks only suited for fast bowling, The matches are going to be not so interesting.
Because I don't think there will be too many runs scored in that series.

But, I also have to say that for test cricket I don't remind watching tracks that help the fast bowlers. And because both the teams have some quality fast bowlers I think we are going to see some really good fast bowling from both teams.

Yasir shah who has 236 test wickets is held in reserve players list along with muhammad abbas, both are experienced bowlers.  Cliffe Deacon, who is  physiotherapist of Pakistan team lodged a complaint against them saying he is not satisfied by there approach towards training and practice. Both need to work hard to make it to playing 11.

legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1042
HODL
I don't expect Pakistan to make surfaces that give advantage to the spinners. Gone are the days when Pakistan had legendary spinners such as Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed and Danish Kaneria. Now in the spin department, Australia is a level ahead of Pakistan. Nathan Lyon is extremely experienced and in good form recently. Ashton Agar is another excellent option, while I don't want to comment much on Mitchell Swepson. If the tracks are spinner-friendly, then it can backfire on Pakistan and Lyon will destroy them.
Yasir Shah is the only recognized spinner in Pakistani squad AFAIK but he is in reserves. Nauman Ali is good one but he is very new and I havent seen him bowling in Pakistan. If you see squad of Pakistan for this tour then its clearly domnated by pace attacks which tells the story about how pitches will be.


^ The Pakistan squad is certainly dominated by pace bowling. But I do think that if Pakistan makes the tracks only suited for fast bowling, The matches are going to be not so interesting.
Because I don't think there will be too many runs scored in that series.

But, I also have to say that for test cricket I don't remind watching tracks that help the fast bowlers. And because both the teams have some quality fast bowlers I think we are going to see some really good fast bowling from both teams.
full member
Activity: 1050
Merit: 110

I don't expect Pakistan to make surfaces that give advantage to the spinners. Gone are the days when Pakistan had legendary spinners such as Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed and Danish Kaneria. Now in the spin department, Australia is a level ahead of Pakistan. Nathan Lyon is extremely experienced and in good form recently. Ashton Agar is another excellent option, while I don't want to comment much on Mitchell Swepson. If the tracks are spinner-friendly, then it can backfire on Pakistan and Lyon will destroy them.

Yasir Shah is the only recognized spinner in Pakistani squad AFAIK but he is in reserves. Nauman Ali is good one but he is very new and I havent seen him bowling in Pakistan. If you see squad of Pakistan for this tour then its clearly domnated by pace attacks which tells the story about how pitches will be.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1058
Vave.com - Crypto Casino
You cannot expect green wickets in Pakistan and hence they will be looking at pitches where spinners will be having an advantage,least in the last couple of days. No idea about the qualify of wickets in domestic cricket in Pakistan. I never thought the last tour of Pakistan was 24 years ago, that is a really long time and i do think that Australia will move ahead with the tour.

I don't expect Pakistan to make surfaces that give advantage to the spinners. Gone are the days when Pakistan had legendary spinners such as Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed and Danish Kaneria. Now in the spin department, Australia is a level ahead of Pakistan. Nathan Lyon is extremely experienced and in good form recently. Ashton Agar is another excellent option, while I don't want to comment much on Mitchell Swepson. If the tracks are spinner-friendly, then it can backfire on Pakistan and Lyon will destroy them.

I think that Pakistan is going to make the tracks batting friendly in my opinion because in a batting-friendly pitch I think that spinners might just be ineffective and you know, Pakistan has some quality fast bowlers who can bowl really well in any type of track.

I also don't expect them to make the tracks absolutely for fast bowling because then the matches might just be not very fun for the viewers.
full member
Activity: 1204
Merit: 110

I think that Pakistan has been playing well and certainly better than the date at list 1 or 1.5 years ago. They have also found some good players for their squad and their performance has very much improved. I think Australia is going to have a tough time in Pakistan because Pakistan is going to be ready for them. This tour is going to be action-packed.

Yes both teams are in good form and it is expected that we will see good cricket in this series unlike we saw in Ashes just one sided series. Before Ashes everyone was in favour of England but they lost by 4-0 (one match they draw marginally). Pakistan have batsman like Babar Azam, Rzwan, Azhar, Fawad Alam that can really test Australia bowling.   
legendary
Activity: 2366
Merit: 1023
DGbet.fun - Crypto Sportsbook
Pakistani team is good in T20 and ODI format but in test Australia have upper hand. See how well Australia performed in recent Ashes. They are carrying almost same squad for this tour, Ashton Agar is the only addition to that squad.
"Pakistan is totally different to India. The ball is not going to spin straight away and mostly the wickets have been taken by the faster men rather than the spinners. Bazid Khan
I am not sure but there are 2 spinners in Australian squad so they are relying mostly on pace attack.
Pakistan team performance has improved drastically in the past few months. I still believe that this match is equally balanced and Pakistan has the capability to win this tournament. They will be playing on their own ground and are familiar with the conditions. Australia is visiting Pakistan after 24 years and it would be tough for the team to adjust to the condition. Pakistan will have an upper hand in this tournament.

I think that Pakistan has been playing well and certainly better than the date at list 1 or 1.5 years ago. They have also found some good players for their squad and their performance has very much improved. I think Australia is going to have a tough time in Pakistan because Pakistan is going to be ready for them. This tour is going to be action-packed.
member
Activity: 183
Merit: 14
Chainjoes.com

Pakistan team performance has improved drastically in the past few months. I still believe that this match is equally balanced and Pakistan has the capability to win this tournament. They will be playing on their own ground and are familiar with the conditions. Australia is visiting Pakistan after 24 years and it would be tough for the team to adjust to the condition. Pakistan will have an upper hand in this tournament.

Pakistan team is used to UAE conditions since they are playing there for almost a decade. They have only played 5 test at there  home soil and most of Pakistani players are not familiar with home conditions since they have not played against any international team here. Australia are in good form and odds must be in favour of them.
I dont agree with you bro. Odds will be in favour of Pakistan for sure. Yes australia played well recently in ashes but the conditions are completely different in pakistan and will favour Pakistan .Yes Pakistan played in UAE but the conditions will be similar to Pakistan . so it will not be difficult for pakistan team.
It will be more difficult for australia to adjust in these situations.
full member
Activity: 1204
Merit: 110

Pakistan team performance has improved drastically in the past few months. I still believe that this match is equally balanced and Pakistan has the capability to win this tournament. They will be playing on their own ground and are familiar with the conditions. Australia is visiting Pakistan after 24 years and it would be tough for the team to adjust to the condition. Pakistan will have an upper hand in this tournament.

Pakistan team is used to UAE conditions since they are playing there for almost a decade. They have only played 5 test at there  home soil and most of Pakistani players are not familiar with home conditions since they have not played against any international team here. Australia are in good form and odds must be in favour of them.
hero member
Activity: 2156
Merit: 803
Top Crypto Casino

A good point that they have no idea about Pakistani conditions but still they have enough data and updates about Pakistan cricket and conditions because now all available on websites without any problem so just because of this they have good enough preparation about this tour coming with 3 spinners and their winning squad who ruined English team few weeks back at home.

There is no doubt they are coming after 24 years due to security issues related to Pakistan, but sometimes I feel really shock many Indian related sites and peoples still having mind there are doubt that they are coming or not it's their own mind but in Australian media there are not doubts about this from any player or any other member of this squad it's just crazy thing for me because Indians are still not happy with this tour as now Pakistan is improving and having better things for better future.

Pakistani team is good in T20 and ODI format but in test Australia have upper hand. See how well Australia performed in recent Ashes. They are carrying almost same squad for this tour, Ashton Agar is the only addition to that squad.

"Pakistan is totally different to India. The ball is not going to spin straight away and mostly the wickets have been taken by the faster men rather than the spinners. Bazid Khan

I am not sure but there are 2 spinners in Australian squad so they are relying mostly on pace attack.

Pakistan team performance has improved drastically in the past few months. I still believe that this match is equally balanced and Pakistan has the capability to win this tournament. They will be playing on their own ground and are familiar with the conditions. Australia is visiting Pakistan after 24 years and it would be tough for the team to adjust to the condition. Pakistan will have an upper hand in this tournament.
sr. member
Activity: 952
Merit: 281

A good point that they have no idea about Pakistani conditions but still they have enough data and updates about Pakistan cricket and conditions because now all available on websites without any problem so just because of this they have good enough preparation about this tour coming with 3 spinners and their winning squad who ruined English team few weeks back at home.

There is no doubt they are coming after 24 years due to security issues related to Pakistan, but sometimes I feel really shock many Indian related sites and peoples still having mind there are doubt that they are coming or not it's their own mind but in Australian media there are not doubts about this from any player or any other member of this squad it's just crazy thing for me because Indians are still not happy with this tour as now Pakistan is improving and having better things for better future.

Pakistani team is good in T20 and ODI format but in test Australia have upper hand. See how well Australia performed in recent Ashes. They are carrying almost same squad for this tour, Ashton Agar is the only addition to that squad.

"Pakistan is totally different to India. The ball is not going to spin straight away and mostly the wickets have been taken by the faster men rather than the spinners. Bazid Khan

I am not sure but there are 2 spinners in Australian squad so they are relying mostly on pace attack.
legendary
Activity: 3346
Merit: 1352
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
You cannot expect green wickets in Pakistan and hence they will be looking at pitches where spinners will be having an advantage,least in the last couple of days. No idea about the qualify of wickets in domestic cricket in Pakistan. I never thought the last tour of Pakistan was 24 years ago, that is a really long time and i do think that Australia will move ahead with the tour.

I don't expect Pakistan to make surfaces that give advantage to the spinners. Gone are the days when Pakistan had legendary spinners such as Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed and Danish Kaneria. Now in the spin department, Australia is a level ahead of Pakistan. Nathan Lyon is extremely experienced and in good form recently. Ashton Agar is another excellent option, while I don't want to comment much on Mitchell Swepson. If the tracks are spinner-friendly, then it can backfire on Pakistan and Lyon will destroy them.
Jump to: