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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 16, 2021, 03:16:45 PM

Quote from: jostorres on October 16, 2021, 01:00:56 PM

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Right now we have no professionalism in game specially in cricket it's all about money and power so if someone is not coming in Pakistan it's his decision Pakistan need to think about this and if they feel strong then announces they will not tour any country which is not coming in Pakistan but if they are not capable of doing things like this they surely have to face things like this no one remember what Pakistan do in past all living in present, and they want money in name of personal security and terrorism.

I am still surprised to see that this topic is being discussed here still. Are you watching world news and do you have any idea what is going on in Afghanistan and the main reason why New Zealand pulled out from the tour is because of the Afghanistan takeover by extreme groups as far as i understand even thought they are yet to clarify the reason behind it.

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Sri Lanka, South Africa and West Indies already toured, and they have no issue even New Zealand players was feeling good just few hours before start of game and then suddenly they have terror threat it's all confused and really suspicious we all know what happen, so now these all are useless talks.

So what is your theory, some cricket board is paying New Zealand cricket board to pull out of the tour of Pakistan Roll Eyes

. What is the point you are trying to make.

After reading this all I am feeling you are overreacting because there is nothing serious happen in Afghanistan or Pakistan it's just happening in Social Media which are controlled by few companies, and they are allowing propaganda for few countries benefit. And in Afghanistan if they are extremist then please clarify who is in India currently ruling. Right now I don't want to discuss this all but after reading your comments posting this surely it's all about money and power, nothing else. If IPL is possible in Covid-19 just because of money, then everything is possible. Currently, Afghanistan is much better than past governments because they are now managing things properly and corruption is also in their agenda which was never been controlled in last 2 decades by Democratic governments.

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Quote from: jostorres on October 16, 2021, 01:00:56 PM

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Right now we have no professionalism in game specially in cricket it's all about money and power so if someone is not coming in Pakistan it's his decision Pakistan need to think about this and if they feel strong then announces they will not tour any country which is not coming in Pakistan but if they are not capable of doing things like this they surely have to face things like this no one remember what Pakistan do in past all living in present, and they want money in name of personal security and terrorism.

I am still surprised to see that this topic is being discussed here still. Are you watching world news and do you have any idea what is going on in Afghanistan and the main reason why New Zealand pulled out from the tour is because of the Afghanistan takeover by extreme groups as far as i understand even thought they are yet to clarify the reason behind it.

Quote from: jostorres on October 16, 2021, 01:00:56 PM

Sri Lanka, South Africa and West Indies already toured, and they have no issue even New Zealand players was feeling good just few hours before start of game and then suddenly they have terror threat it's all confused and really suspicious we all know what happen, so now these all are useless talks.

So what is your theory, some cricket board is paying New Zealand cricket board to pull out of the tour of Pakistan Roll Eyes

. What is the point you are trying to make.

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Quote from: bilal_jan321 on October 16, 2021, 10:55:23 AM

There are four big teams that are reluctant to play in Pakistan which are big 3 and there ally CNZ.
Pakistan was the first country to travel and play in NZ after Bangladesh cricket team survived an assassination attempt there. Moreover, Pakistan also toured England in difficult time of covid19. Both countries replied by canceling tours to Pakistan.
My friend Pakistan has already arranged tours of SL, RSA, Bangla, WI and ZIM at home. It seems like real issue is not security but something else.

Right now we have no professionalism in game specially in cricket it's all about money and power so if someone is not coming in Pakistan it's his decision Pakistan need to think about this and if they feel strong then announces they will not tour any country which is not coming in Pakistan but if they are not capable of doing things like this they surely have to face things like this no one remember what Pakistan do in past all living in present, and they want money in name of personal security and terrorism.

Sri Lanka, South Africa and West Indies already toured, and they have no issue even New Zealand players was feeling good just few hours before start of game and then suddenly they have terror threat it's all confused and really suspicious we all know what happen, so now these all are useless talks.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 16, 2021, 07:19:42 AM

@coinism this is not new and totally expected from Pakistan to blame their neighbour country for the cancellation, but I feel this is false because New Zealand would never have canceled it to please India.

Also the reality is Pakistan should continue playing in UAE, and try and host more smaller teams in Pakistan, and then over a time try to get big teams to come, because after the New Zealand fiasco big teams won’t be keen to travel and play there.

There are four big teams that are reluctant to play in Pakistan which are big 3 and there ally CNZ.
Pakistan was the first country to travel and play in NZ after Bangladesh cricket team survived an assassination attempt there. Moreover, Pakistan also toured England in difficult time of covid19. Both countries replied by canceling tours to Pakistan.
My friend Pakistan has already arranged tours of SL, RSA, Bangla, WI and ZIM at home. It seems like real issue is not security but something else.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 16, 2021, 07:19:42 AM

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The problem is not with the fans. The real issue is with the revenues. If the matches are conducted in the UAE, then the PCB needs to pay Emirates Cricket Board (ECB) a certain amount for covering the expenses, as well as a share of the TV broadcasting revenues. The gate collection will also be taken by the ECB. Then there are additional expenses, for setting up training camps and to organize accommodation for the players and non-playing staff. The PCB wil be in a bad position after all this, because their revenues are already down due to the COVID 19 pandemic.

Pakistan has successfully conducted series with sri lanka, south africa, zim and Bangladesh at home. All these series went fine. Recently PM of Pakistan hinted that India is behind recent tour cancellation of CNZ (source). Both India and Pak are big rivals, its India that is at the top of cricket affairs. Pakistan must not expect good things for him as long as India is at the top.

@coinism this is not new and totally expected from Pakistan to blame their neighbour country for the cancellation, but I feel this is false because New Zealand would never have canceled it to please India.

Also the reality is Pakistan should continue playing in UAE, and try and host more smaller teams in Pakistan, and then over a time try to get big teams to come, because after the New Zealand fiasco big teams won’t be keen to travel and play there.

No one can stop this blame game because it's happening for very long time these two countries and fact is there are many issues where these are trying to hurt each other by their own as happen in Afghanistan, Indian crying they lost some good money as they were spending for their basis which was used against Pakistan. On other side Indian crying about terror in India by Pakistan it's all in business since 1947 and now heated up after arrival of Modi Government.

But right now we have some good news from Dubai as ACC announces their scheduled events which coming in next few years, and they announce Pakistan will host Asia Cup in 2023 even It's too early but still good news for Pakistan cricket and their fans.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/119430/asia-cup-2023-will-be-played-in-pakistan-says-ramiz-raja-cricbuzzcom

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 16, 2021, 07:19:42 AM

@coinism this is not new and totally expected from Pakistan to blame their neighbour country for the cancellation, but I feel this is false because New Zealand would never have canceled it to please India.

Also the reality is Pakistan should continue playing in UAE, and try and host more smaller teams in Pakistan, and then over a time try to get big teams to come, because after the New Zealand fiasco big teams won’t be keen to travel and play there.

These sort of accusations are just ridiculous. The BCCI has no dominance on the government of New Zealand. If it was the decision from NZC, then we could have considered this possibility. But in this case, it was the government of Jacinda Ardern (which is considered very friendly to Pakistan), that directed the NZC to pull out of the Pakistan tour. I don't really understand what the BCCI or the Indian government has to do here. The Pakistan government should first sort out its issues with the NZ government rather than blaming India.

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Quote from: coinism on October 14, 2021, 06:38:48 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 09, 2021, 10:18:13 PM

The problem is not with the fans. The real issue is with the revenues. If the matches are conducted in the UAE, then the PCB needs to pay Emirates Cricket Board (ECB) a certain amount for covering the expenses, as well as a share of the TV broadcasting revenues. The gate collection will also be taken by the ECB. Then there are additional expenses, for setting up training camps and to organize accommodation for the players and non-playing staff. The PCB wil be in a bad position after all this, because their revenues are already down due to the COVID 19 pandemic.

Pakistan has successfully conducted series with sri lanka, south africa, zim and Bangladesh at home. All these series went fine. Recently PM of Pakistan hinted that India is behind recent tour cancellation of CNZ (source). Both India and Pak are big rivals, its India that is at the top of cricket affairs. Pakistan must not expect good things for him as long as India is at the top.

@coinism this is not new and totally expected from Pakistan to blame their neighbour country for the cancellation, but I feel this is false because New Zealand would never have canceled it to please India.

Also the reality is Pakistan should continue playing in UAE, and try and host more smaller teams in Pakistan, and then over a time try to get big teams to come, because after the New Zealand fiasco big teams won’t be keen to travel and play there.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 09, 2021, 10:18:13 PM

The problem is not with the fans. The real issue is with the revenues. If the matches are conducted in the UAE, then the PCB needs to pay Emirates Cricket Board (ECB) a certain amount for covering the expenses, as well as a share of the TV broadcasting revenues. The gate collection will also be taken by the ECB. Then there are additional expenses, for setting up training camps and to organize accommodation for the players and non-playing staff. The PCB wil be in a bad position after all this, because their revenues are already down due to the COVID 19 pandemic.

Pakistan has successfully conducted series with sri lanka, south africa, zim and Bangladesh at home. All these series went fine. Recently PM of Pakistan hinted that India is behind recent tour cancellation of CNZ (source). Both India and Pak are big rivals, its India that is at the top of cricket affairs. Pakistan must not expect good things for him as long as India is at the top.

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 09, 2021, 06:48:57 PM

UAE is not a foreign territory for Pakistan as they have their fans in huge numbers and UAE was their neutral ground for over a decade and their local fans deserve to see them play in their home country and i do support that but for that you need to make sure the teams that are planning to tour should be confident about the ground security and if they are confident they will tour them.

The problem is not with the fans. The real issue is with the revenues. If the matches are conducted in the UAE, then the PCB needs to pay Emirates Cricket Board (ECB) a certain amount for covering the expenses, as well as a share of the TV broadcasting revenues. The gate collection will also be taken by the ECB. Then there are additional expenses, for setting up training camps and to organize accommodation for the players and non-playing staff. The PCB wil be in a bad position after all this, because their revenues are already down due to the COVID 19 pandemic.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on October 09, 2021, 12:20:08 AM

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There record in uae is historic, they have beaten Aus , Eng , NZ there. If I m not wrong they have won 8 consecutive T20 series at uae. Don't know why you saying they are done losing abroad. If you follow cricket, Pakistan is always know to be unpredictable and they have still a decent side for T20 WC.
To the second part, they already have conducted so many series with Sri, RSA, ZIM,WI at home. Still big 3 think it's not safe to tour Pak.

UAE is not a foreign territory for Pakistan as they have their fans in huge numbers and UAE was their neutral ground for over a decade and their local fans deserve to see them play in their home country and i do support that but for that you need to make sure the teams that are planning to tour should be confident about the ground security and if they are confident they will tour them.

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I read somewhere that NZ might consider playing in Pakistan in 2022. I am not sure whether it will happen or not but to convince the world to come and play in their home ground PCB needs to put more effort. 50 per cent of their revenue comes from ICC and everyone knows ICC makes money from bigger boards. They need to start performing in the ICC tournament and then these boards might consider playing with them in Pakistan. Let's see how they perform in the upcoming WT20 cup.

If New Zealand is willing to tour Pakistan then it is great for the local fans as they wanted to see competitive cricket and with the support of local fans they will perform better than in the UAE.

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The whole cricket team now busying with the T20 world cup warm up match for their better preparation. India already busied with their indian premier league IPL in united Arab Emirates play ground. They already completed and begin qualifier match between CSK and DC as first qualify.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on October 09, 2021, 12:22:28 PM

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As a result of the injury he suffers in his back, Sohaib Maqsood will not be a member of Pakistan's T20 World Cup squad. Although Malik might be most likely replacement, I'm happy with the changes in the squad. Pakistanis might be happy with the replacement because Malik has been in supreme form and he is the obvious choice.

That's quite a blow for Pakistan cricket team. The performance of Sohaib Maqsood in national T20 tournament going on in Pakistan was very impressive. He is replaced by experienced Shoaib Malik, so I think it will not hurt Pakistan much. All eyes are on match b/w Pakistan and India on 24 Oct 2021. Lets see what comes out of it.

Even it's a big below, but I am feeling it's good as now Pakistan have services of veteran Shoaib Malik he is also one of the best player for this format recently he touches magic figure of 11,000 runs in this format and only third in this list who achieve this landmark.
Now Pakistan have four changes in their squad which was announced for twenty/20 world cup all are much better and experienced players even I am not hopeful about better future of this team in this tournament but as many know Pakistan is very unpredictable team and can change things very unusually by their own on their day let's watch now what they have in their basket for this Mega Event which is going to start in just few days.

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As a result of the injury he suffers in his back, Sohaib Maqsood will not be a member of Pakistan's T20 World Cup squad. Although Malik might be most likely replacement, I'm happy with the changes in the squad. Pakistanis might be happy with the replacement because Malik has been in supreme form and he is the obvious choice.

That's quite a blow for Pakistan cricket team. The performance of Sohaib Maqsood in national T20 tournament going on in Pakistan was very impressive. He is replaced by experienced Shoaib Malik, so I think it will not hurt Pakistan much. All eyes are on match b/w Pakistan and India on 24 Oct 2021. Lets see what comes out of it.

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 08, 2021, 03:56:14 PM

I think PCB and cricket fans are tired of Pakistan players loosing abroad and they wanted to see them play in their home turf and you cannot blame them and their level of cricket is going down over the years and they were not able to find young talents that could replace their star players they had in their past. If they want to see cricket again they need to convince the global community that they are safe to travel.

There record in uae is historic, they have beaten Aus , Eng , NZ there. If I m not wrong they have won 8 consecutive T20 series at uae. Don't know why you saying they are done losing abroad. If you follow cricket, Pakistan is always know to be unpredictable and they have still a decent side for T20 WC.
To the second part, they already have conducted so many series with Sri, RSA, ZIM,WI at home. Still big 3 think it's not safe to tour Pak.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 08, 2021, 06:52:41 PM

I read somewhere that NZ might consider playing in Pakistan in 2022. I am not sure whether it will happen or not but to convince the world to come and play in their home ground PCB needs to put more effort. 50 per cent of their revenue comes from ICC and everyone knows ICC makes money from bigger boards. They need to start performing in the ICC tournament and then these boards might consider playing with them in Pakistan. Let's see how they perform in the upcoming WT20 cup.

After they pulled out of the tour in such a dramatic fashion, I don't think that the NZC would consider touring Pakistan anytime soon. And unlike the case with the ECB, the decision to cancel the tour was taken by the government, and not by the cricket board. So they need permission from the government first, before they can issue any statement on their proposal to tour Pakistan. The officials of ECB and NZC have been making some vague statement in recent days, but these statements don't have much relevance unless they are approved by the respective governments.

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I guess PCB and cricket fans are done watching there home series abroad. Also PCB officials have clearly said that abroad series are total loss for them. PCB and Pak fans must start doing some lobbing to bring cricket back in the country rather then coursing BCCI all the time.

I think PCB and cricket fans are tired of Pakistan players loosing abroad and they wanted to see them play in their home turf and you cannot blame them and their level of cricket is going down over the years and they were not able to find young talents that could replace their star players they had in their past. If they want to see cricket again they need to convince the global community that they are safe to travel.

I read somewhere that NZ might consider playing in Pakistan in 2022. I am not sure whether it will happen or not but to convince the world to come and play in their home ground PCB needs to put more effort. 50 per cent of their revenue comes from ICC and everyone knows ICC makes money from bigger boards. They need to start performing in the ICC tournament and then these boards might consider playing with them in Pakistan. Let's see how they perform in the upcoming WT20 cup.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on October 08, 2021, 01:31:07 PM

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I guess PCB and cricket fans are done watching there home series abroad. Also PCB officials have clearly said that abroad series are total loss for them. PCB and Pak fans must start doing some lobbing to bring cricket back in the country rather then coursing BCCI all the time.

I think PCB and cricket fans are tired of Pakistan players loosing abroad and they wanted to see them play in their home turf and you cannot blame them and their level of cricket is going down over the years and they were not able to find young talents that could replace their star players they had in their past. If they want to see cricket again they need to convince the global community that they are safe to travel.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 07, 2021, 09:50:09 PM

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Pakistan tour cancellation is getting serious attention in England. Earlier ECB formally apologizes PCB for tour cancellation and said that they will do everything to tour Pakistan next year. Cricket Fans in Pakistan may expect England team coming soon.

Soon? No chance. ECB has announced that they may "consider" touring Pakistan in 2022, but that looks very unlikely given the security situation in that country. Pakistan is back to the position where they were after the attack on Sri Lankan team happened. And to tour Pakistan is not, will be decided by the British government. It is not the sole decision of the ECB. If the British government issues a directive against the tour, do you really think that the ECB will ignore it and agree to tour Pakistan?

You're this statement is completely wrong and pointing out typical Indian thinking about Pakistan. Because we all have updates there was nothing order from Government about this tour this was just happened because of IPL as many players was involved in this, and they have done some trick with big money. Just because of this now you can check many changes happening even different statements coming but now here situation is not like as we have after attack on Sri Lanka now it's much better and secure just few channels on Social Media creating hype which is nothing new because it's happening from Indian side for many decades, and they are taking advantage of big country even many times they fail, but recently it's successful for them as USA's defeat is also counting in this game as well. Indians also crying because they lost billions of USD and the base camps in Afghanistan after many decades.

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Quote from: onecall123 on October 08, 2021, 01:32:46 AM

There is no British government involvement in the cancellation of the tour, but the ECB is solely responsible. All things are being cleared by the British government. However, the statement from the ECB is difficult to understand. Yes, security was a concern for a few years, but you can't bring it up every time there is no evidence to support it. Pakistan did its utmost to make it work, but its efforts were totally ignored. I am hoping to see this bilateral match shortly since I am a big cricket fan. Whatever the case may be, Pakistani fans are used to accusing BCCI of all these problems. It's truly disappointing to see people constantly blaming BCCI. Hope this isn't what the public perceives.

Right now we have no problem with security or anything first we have some clear statement from ICC as they can do anything which help this cricket or no because if they are not able to do anything then better please shut their shop and enjoy with other stuff don't waste our another's time. Cricket is game and handle this like other many sports organizations handling properly this big 3 or powerful boards logic is never been going to help anyone. As we have no serious bilateral series in next few months due to covid or some other issues, they need to sit and talk about better future of game and stop this politics.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 08, 2021, 04:22:22 AM

aybe in Q1 or Q2 2022, they can organize one or two bilateral series involving teams like Bangladesh or Sri Lanka and show that the country is now safe for cricket. But if it is not possible, then they need to shift the matches to UAE.

They have successfully organized bilateral series with Sri lanka, Bangladesh, South Afriac and Zimbabwe at home but it all turns out to be useless when it comes to home tour of Big three plus CNZ. So I don't think this will work.

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Pakistan did its utmost to make it work, but its efforts were totally ignored. I am hoping to see this bilateral match shortly since I am a big cricket fan. Whatever the case may be, Pakistani fans are used to accusing BCCI of all these problems. It's truly disappointing to see people constantly blaming BCCI. Hope this isn't what the public perceives.

I guess PCB and cricket fans are done watching there home series abroad. Also PCB officials have clearly said that abroad series are total loss for them. PCB and Pak fans must start doing some lobbing to bring cricket back in the country rather then coursing BCCI all the time.

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