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Quote from: blatchcorn on October 06, 2021, 12:06:20 PM

I guess IPL has taken over everything that's why we are having IPL discussion in Test Cricket thread.

Exactly it has taken over our mind Grin

Look what it has done to everyone here we forgot there is a thread dedicated to T20 cricket. I am pretty much sure everyone knows about that thread but we are so much stuck in IPL that we have forgotten everything.

That is what is brand value. Please stop discussing about IPL on this thread.

Well.. hardly anyone cares about test cricket these days. In the recent times we had too many meaningless bilateral tours. Personally I don't care about test matches unless big three teams (+NZ) are playing each other. The quality of other test teams have gone down the drain. Anyway, the Ashes is around the corner and hopefully it can reignite some interest in this format of cricket. But poor form of the Australian players (including Steve Smith) is a concern for me. There is a good chance that this time the Ashes will be one sided.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on October 06, 2021, 12:06:20 PM

I guess IPL has taken over everything that's why we are having IPL discussion in Test Cricket thread.

Exactly it has taken over our mind Grin

Look what it has done to everyone here we forgot there is a thread dedicated to T20 cricket. I am pretty much sure everyone knows about that thread but we are so much stuck in IPL that we have forgotten everything.

That is what is brand value. Please stop discussing about IPL on this thread.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on October 06, 2021, 12:06:20 PM

I don't understand the reason why Indian players are not allowed to take part in other leagues? Are there enough opportunities in India that they they can accommodate each and every player in domestic setup? BCCI is taking up the model of China, where its closed for the world. In IPL there are few domestic players that can come up and play. But if Indian players are allowed to go around the world and play leagues then it will help players that wont make it to IPL.

There are too many theories and views but no one can give you perfect reply because BCCI never give any viewpoint about this few thinks it's all because of IPL as they don't want their players to go outside and it has any effect on this and few believes they want to have full control on their players.

But, one thing is clear it's good for their own sack and players because now they are doing some good increase in their incomes and giving some good rest to them as too many leagues and matches can burn them which happened with few players in past and last one this can also prevent them from injuries as currently it's also creating some serious issues for many players.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 06, 2021, 06:00:08 AM

More than a decade ago, Subrata Roy paid $370 million for Pune Warriors India. And the second team (Kochi Tuskers Kerala) was auctioned for $332 million. That was in 2010. One decade has passed and the brand value of IPL has increased by manytimes. I won't be surprised if the auction price crosses $1 billion this time. Only two franchises are in offer and it looks as if this may be the final expansion of the IPL. So for the industrialists like the Adani and Goenka, this is like a once in lifetime opportunity.

Right now all possibilities available because this is fact now IPL brand is value is much more than 2010 and big fishes can go for this with their Billions of USD. I am also feeling most chances we will have these both teams around $2 Billion USD even its pandemic and IPL is still giving big profit through TV rights. Adani and Goenka coming, so hopefully someone from Tata will also have some good interest in Cricket, and they will give a try to this also for entertainment purpose like Ambani's doing right now. India is now too much made for cricket, like we have madness in Latin America for Soccer.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 06, 2021, 11:43:46 AM

You are right but at that time INR was about 45ish against the USD and right now it stand at 74.85 against USD. Back then Pune franchise final bid was around 1700 crore INR, atm new franchise base price is 2000 crore INR (approx $260 Millions). BCCI estimating 3500-4500 crore INR for one team.

https://www.livemint.com/Consumer/JoiRXbcOttykik23vtcXnK/Sahara-pulls-Pune-Warriors-from-IPL.html

I posted this news in august.
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Indian stock market indices have grown by almost 4 times since 2010. It may not be a right comparison, but gives an indication of how fast wealth was created in India during the last few years. I haven't visited India since the pandemic started, so have no idea about the situation on ground. Maybe you are right. But even ₹4,000 crore per team would be massive for the BCCI. This is more than the amount they received in 2008, by auctioning 8 teams. But if 10 teams are there, then they need to increase the duration as well, right? Right now it is 14 matches per team, which will increase to 18 if there are a total of 10 teams.

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I guess IPL has taken over everything that's why we are having IPL discussion in Test Cricket thread.

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I really don't know whether the BCCI wants that. They have voiced their concern that any other T20 league at the time of the IPL would result in dilution of the latter. This is the reason why they have prohibited Indian players from takin part in foreign T20 leagues, and one of the reasons why they haven't started the WIPL yet. The problem is with the outdated thinking from the BCCI guys. They believe that all other leagues pose a danger to the IPL. That should not be the case, as IPL is regarded as the most star studded league in the world.

I don't understand the reason why Indian players are not allowed to take part in other leagues? Are there enough opportunities in India that they they can accommodate each and every player in domestic setup? BCCI is taking up the model of China, where its closed for the world. In IPL there are few domestic players that can come up and play. But if Indian players are allowed to go around the world and play leagues then it will help players that wont make it to IPL.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 06, 2021, 12:43:05 AM

Base price is $280 ish Millions for one franchise, i do agree that price could cross $500 Millions easily but billion dollar deal for 1 team sounds too much to me tbh. Unless Tata Group also jumps in the auction, which seems unlikely atm.

@Juggy777 Adani is participating in the auction, he's one of the big fish in India after Ambani.

More than a decade ago, Subrata Roy paid $370 million for Pune Warriors India. And the second team (Kochi Tuskers Kerala) was auctioned for $332 million. That was in 2010. One decade has passed and the brand value of IPL has increased by manytimes. I won't be surprised if the auction price crosses $1 billion this time. Only two franchises are in offer and it looks as if this may be the final expansion of the IPL. So for the industrialists like the Adani and Goenka, this is like a once in lifetime opportunity.

You are right but at that time INR was about 45ish against the USD and right now it stand at 74.85 against USD. Back then Pune franchise final bid was around 1700 crore INR, atm new franchise base price is 2000 crore INR (approx $260 Millions). BCCI estimating 3500-4500 crore INR for one team.

https://www.livemint.com/Consumer/JoiRXbcOttykik23vtcXnK/Sahara-pulls-Pune-Warriors-from-IPL.html

I posted this news in august.

Quote from: JSRAW on August 31, 2021, 09:31:39 AM

2 more teams in the IPL soon. (2022)
BCCI invites tender for new IPL franchises

"The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has put a base price of Rs 2000 cr for the new teams of the Indian Premier League (IPL). After it sent out a release inviting bids for two new franchises on Tuesday (August 31), a BCCI office-bearer confirmed to Cricbuzz that the reserve price would be Rs 2000 crore, an expected figure considering that the Rajasthan Royals, not exactly a top-rung side in the league, had sold 15 per cent of its share at an overall value of Rs 1850 crore recently.

The final selling price could be more than Rs 3000 crore per team but one BCCI official said the board expects it to be higher than double of the reserve fee. Ahmedabad and Lucknow are the favoured destinations but a few other cities are also available for purchase. The whole process of bidding could be over by October second week enabling the two new franchises to witness the IPL final in Dubai on October 15."

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 06, 2021, 12:43:05 AM

Base price is $280 ish Millions for one franchise, i do agree that price could cross $500 Millions easily but billion dollar deal for 1 team sounds too much to me tbh. Unless Tata Group also jumps in the auction, which seems unlikely atm.

@Juggy777 Adani is participating in the auction, he's one of the big fish in India after Ambani.

More than a decade ago, Subrata Roy paid $370 million for Pune Warriors India. And the second team (Kochi Tuskers Kerala) was auctioned for $332 million. That was in 2010. One decade has passed and the brand value of IPL has increased by manytimes. I won't be surprised if the auction price crosses $1 billion this time. Only two franchises are in offer and it looks as if this may be the final expansion of the IPL. So for the industrialists like the Adani and Goenka, this is like a once in lifetime opportunity.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 06, 2021, 12:43:05 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 05, 2021, 10:02:47 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 05, 2021, 06:18:44 PM

BCCI is only after the money. If IPL is giving them so much why will they interfere with it and organize WIPL? Already they have suffered financially due to the pandemic situation. I do not think they will organize the WIPL anytime soon. They will wait and until the revenue drops from IPL, which I do not think will be happening anytime soon.

In around 3 weeks from now, they are about to auction two more teams for the IPL (25th October). This time, the auction amount is predicted to set new records. For two teams, the conservative prediction is a combined $1 to $1.2 billion, but given the extreme competition for getting a franchise, I won't be surprised if the BCCI ends up with more than $2 billion in their pocket. That should make up for any losses that they suffered due to COVID. Maybe they will think about the WIPL sometime after that.

Base price is $280 ish Millions for one franchise, i do agree that price could cross $500 Millions easily but billion dollar deal for 1 team sounds too much to me tbh. Unless Tata Group also jumps in the auction, which seems unlikely atm.

@Juggy777 Adani is participating in the auction, he's one of the big fish in India after Ambani.

You never know, Tata's might if Ambani's and Adani's can. They are already into everything except sports Grin

. I also do not think that it will go in billions. They are buying a franchise and not a company. WIPL is not a priority for BCCI now they are busy minting IPL at the moment.

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BCCI is only after the money. If IPL is giving them so much why will they interfere with it and organize WIPL? Already they have suffered financially due to the pandemic situation. I do not think they will organize the WIPL anytime soon. They will wait and until the revenue drops from IPL, which I do not think will be happening anytime soon.

In around 3 weeks from now, they are about to auction two more teams for the IPL (25th October). This time, the auction amount is predicted to set new records. For two teams, the conservative prediction is a combined $1 to $1.2 billion, but given the extreme competition for getting a franchise, I won't be surprised if the BCCI ends up with more than $2 billion in their pocket. That should make up for any losses that they suffered due to COVID. Maybe they will think about the WIPL sometime after that.

Base price is $280 ish Millions for one franchise, i do agree that price could cross $500 Millions easily but billion dollar deal for 1 team sounds too much to me tbh. Unless Tata Group also jumps in the auction, which seems unlikely atm.

@Juggy777 Adani is participating in the auction, he's one of the big fish in India after Ambani.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 05, 2021, 10:02:47 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 05, 2021, 06:18:44 PM

BCCI is only after the money. If IPL is giving them so much why will they interfere with it and organize WIPL? Already they have suffered financially due to the pandemic situation. I do not think they will organize the WIPL anytime soon. They will wait and until the revenue drops from IPL, which I do not think will be happening anytime soon.

In around 3 weeks from now, they are about to auction two more teams for the IPL (25th October). This time, the auction amount is predicted to set new records. For two teams, the conservative prediction is a combined $1 to $1.2 billion, but given the extreme competition for getting a franchise, I won't be surprised if the BCCI ends up with more than $2 billion in their pocket. That should make up for any losses that they suffered due to COVID. Maybe they will think about the WIPL sometime after that.

@Sithara007 it’ll be interesting who bids that much in a pandemic hit season, but whoever bids is bound to send shock waves across the country and potentially alert the taxman to pay them a visit. Also WIPl won’t happen anytime soon unless big sponsors put pressure on BCCi, plus there’s no pressure from Indian audience too, hence only a combo of these two will convince BCCI to launch it.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 05, 2021, 06:18:44 PM

BCCI is only after the money. If IPL is giving them so much why will they interfere with it and organize WIPL? Already they have suffered financially due to the pandemic situation. I do not think they will organize the WIPL anytime soon. They will wait and until the revenue drops from IPL, which I do not think will be happening anytime soon.

In around 3 weeks from now, they are about to auction two more teams for the IPL (25th October). This time, the auction amount is predicted to set new records. For two teams, the conservative prediction is a combined $1 to $1.2 billion, but given the extreme competition for getting a franchise, I won't be surprised if the BCCI ends up with more than $2 billion in their pocket. That should make up for any losses that they suffered due to COVID. Maybe they will think about the WIPL sometime after that.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 04, 2021, 09:40:55 PM

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Thanks for sharing the info. Thats a positive sign for future of woman cricket team. If Aus and England can do that then other big boards like India, CNZ, SA can also do that. The man and woman cricket should be played side by side so that rest of the world also gets an idea that woman are in cricket too.

I really don't know whether the BCCI wants that. They have voiced their concern that any other T20 league at the time of the IPL would result in dilution of the latter. This is the reason why they have prohibited Indian players from takin part in foreign T20 leagues, and one of the reasons why they haven't started the WIPL yet. The problem is with the outdated thinking from the BCCI guys. They believe that all other leagues pose a danger to the IPL. That should not be the case, as IPL is regarded as the most star studded league in the world.

BCCI is only after the money. If IPL is giving them so much why will they interfere with it and organize WIPL? Already they have suffered financially due to the pandemic situation. I do not think they will organize the WIPL anytime soon. They will wait and until the revenue drops from IPL, which I do not think will be happening anytime soon.

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Quote from: CryptoCraze11 on October 04, 2021, 01:00:09 PM

Thanks for sharing the info. Thats a positive sign for future of woman cricket team. If Aus and England can do that then other big boards like India, CNZ, SA can also do that. The man and woman cricket should be played side by side so that rest of the world also gets an idea that woman are in cricket too.

I really don't know whether the BCCI wants that. They have voiced their concern that any other T20 league at the time of the IPL would result in dilution of the latter. This is the reason why they have prohibited Indian players from takin part in foreign T20 leagues, and one of the reasons why they haven't started the WIPL yet. The problem is with the outdated thinking from the BCCI guys. They believe that all other leagues pose a danger to the IPL. That should not be the case, as IPL is regarded as the most star studded league in the world.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 03, 2021, 10:55:23 PM

Quote from: bitgov on October 03, 2021, 11:33:41 AM

Can you come up with stats that how much profitable WBBL is for CA and how much ECB earned from The Hundred Women's Competition 2021? I would love to see the stats.
Woman's are doing very good when it comes to Tennis, Athletics (swimming, racing, table tennis), Basketball etc. But unfortunatly we were not able to see too much spark from woman's in cricket. Reasons may vary but in my opinion there are not much players not audience that are interested Woman's cricket.

Don't know about the audience in India and the remainder of the subcontinent, but women's franchise leagues have been very popular in Australia and England.

https://www.cricketworld.com/records-broken-in-successful-wbbl-04-season/54703.htm
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/the-hundred-tv-figures-viewership-sky-bbc-ecb-revenue-ticket-sales/
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/the-hundred-2021-cricket-female-tv-audiences-ratings-sky-bbc-t20/

The TV audience for the women's matches in Australia and England were around 60% of the comparable number for men's matches. But the important thing is that contract amounts were much lower than the men's game and therefore these leagues (WBBL and Women's Hundred) were more profitable for CA and ECB respectively, when compared to BBL and Hundred.

Thanks for sharing the info. Thats a positive sign for future of woman cricket team. If Aus and England can do that then other big boards like India, CNZ, SA can also do that. The man and woman cricket should be played side by side so that rest of the world also gets an idea that woman are in cricket too.

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Quote from: bitgov on October 03, 2021, 11:33:41 AM

Can you come up with stats that how much profitable WBBL is for CA and how much ECB earned from The Hundred Women's Competition 2021? I would love to see the stats.
Woman's are doing very good when it comes to Tennis, Athletics (swimming, racing, table tennis), Basketball etc. But unfortunatly we were not able to see too much spark from woman's in cricket. Reasons may vary but in my opinion there are not much players not audience that are interested Woman's cricket.

Don't know about the audience in India and the remainder of the subcontinent, but women's franchise leagues have been very popular in Australia and England.

https://www.cricketworld.com/records-broken-in-successful-wbbl-04-season/54703.htm
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/the-hundred-tv-figures-viewership-sky-bbc-ecb-revenue-ticket-sales/
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/the-hundred-2021-cricket-female-tv-audiences-ratings-sky-bbc-t20/

The TV audience for the women's matches in Australia and England were around 60% of the comparable number for men's matches. But the important thing is that contract amounts were much lower than the men's game and therefore these leagues (WBBL and Women's Hundred) were more profitable for CA and ECB respectively, when compared to BBL and Hundred.

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Quote from: wiss19 on October 03, 2021, 02:40:26 PM

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There is no doubt this IPL has a bit of impact on cricket, but sadly it's going in negative way just because of few board's dirty politics if they want then surely this can move into positive and bring more revenues and attraction from world. Sadly, personal ego is bigger than this game and all other things which bring down this game's spirit very badly.

Can you explain what you are talking about here. The personal ego of whom and what is bringing down the spirit of the game. Everyone has their politics and i am not going to dug deep on that as i am not interested in that but the general capitalist mentality is that anyone bringing the most revenue should get the power and the major share and i do not complain against that either.

If i coin this in Bitcoin terms, can you complain about the whales who are investing huge amounts and getting the biggest profit and they can do that simply because they have the resources to raise the capital.

Quote from: wiss19 on October 03, 2021, 02:40:26 PM

But, if we can remember there is fall after every rise right now few boards doing these things just in name of big 3 or what but once they will be down on earth then no one going to give them any support because they already commit few worst things for their own future. Right now still many options available for better future of this game which all can open for the spirit of cricket and for millions fans of this game.

Lets take this situation, how do you think 3 boards are more powerful than the rest of the boards. Everyone has equal opportunity and then why these 3 boards have all the power and none of the other boards cannot complain about that or strike against that. If you know the answer, you solved your confusion Tongue

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I was also following this test match and really surprised with Indian women attitude as these ladies was on top against experienced Aussie women even just playing third second or third test match. But here most Guilty party is BCCI as they can go ahead with few things which are in their own control, but they are not doing. Like you said, WIPL could be more beneficiary for women in India and can bring some good number of girls in this game which could be bringing some good quality and competition. And after this they can also create 5 or 6 women cricket teams for local 3 or 4 days matches which also bring more experience and awareness which can bring them top of rank in near future because currently these already done more than expectations.

Honestly cricket was not a multi billion dollar industry before the arrival of men IPL. Nobody thought cricket has so much business underneath it. Likewise if BCCI introduce woman IPL, who knows it has similar kind of business underneath it. But its responsibility of other big boards also to do something to bring women cricket in front. Right now there isn't much in Woman cricket.

There is no doubt this IPL has a bit of impact on cricket, but sadly it's going in negative way just because of few board's dirty politics if they want then surely this can move into positive and bring more revenues and attraction from world. Sadly, personal ego is bigger than this game and all other things which bring down this game's spirit very badly.

But, if we can remember there is fall after every rise right now few boards doing these things just in name of big 3 or what but once they will be down on earth then no one going to give them any support because they already commit few worst things for their own future. Right now still many options available for better future of this game which all can open for the spirit of cricket and for millions fans of this game.

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Quote from: GbitG on October 03, 2021, 07:43:02 AM

I was also following this test match and really surprised with Indian women attitude as these ladies was on top against experienced Aussie women even just playing third second or third test match. But here most Guilty party is BCCI as they can go ahead with few things which are in their own control, but they are not doing. Like you said, WIPL could be more beneficiary for women in India and can bring some good number of girls in this game which could be bringing some good quality and competition. And after this they can also create 5 or 6 women cricket teams for local 3 or 4 days matches which also bring more experience and awareness which can bring them top of rank in near future because currently these already done more than expectations.

Honestly cricket was not a multi billion dollar industry before the arrival of men IPL. Nobody thought cricket has so much business underneath it. Likewise if BCCI introduce woman IPL, who knows it has similar kind of business underneath it. But its responsibility of other big boards also to do something to bring women cricket in front. Right now there isn't much in Woman cricket.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 03, 2021, 06:45:15 AM

to be honest, men and women are biologically different. Women's cricket has a smaller ground. So it is justified to reduce the length by one day. And India will surely try to make Australia follow on, and maybe then try to bowl them out. But if that doesn't happen, this match might end up in a draw. Ellyse Perry is still on the crease so Australia still has hope.

Your few points are valid but still ICC and relative boards can do some changes for better results from this format because match is already ended in draw if we have 40 to 50 more overs than surely there could be some better result or interesting end for this match, but already this was four days and lost first all day just because of rain have not good impact of cricket fans. Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa women's playing this format for very long time but their relative countries never done any interesting changes for better exposure which is really poor from them.

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