Saw this article today, thought the results were a bit surprising, with the exception of their choice for #1:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29180831/ranking-2020-nfl-offseasons-worst-first-barnwell-all-32-teams
Here's the full list to save you some time, but the whole article is an interesting read:
How each organization did during the player-acquisition period, from best to worst:
1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2. Cleveland Browns
3. Denver Broncos
4. Indianapolis Colts
5. Dallas Cowboys
6. Buffalo Bills
7. Miami Dolphins
8. Arizona Cardinals
9. New Orleans Saints
10. Los Angeles Chargers
11. Washington Redskins
12. Cincinnati Bengals
13. New York Jets
14. New York Giants
15. Las Vegas Raiders
16. San Francisco 49ers
17. Philadelphia Eagles
18. Baltimore Ravens
19. Minnesota Vikings
20. Pittsburgh Steelers
21. Kansas City Chiefs
22. Atlanta Falcons
23. Jacksonville Jaguars
24. Carolina Panthers
25. Tennessee Titans
26. Seattle Seahawks
27. Green Bay Packers
28. Los Angeles Rams
29. Detroit Lions
30. New England Patriots
31. Chicago Bears
32. Houston Texans
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I don't know what's going to happen in that Deandre Baker and Quinton Dunbar case, looks like Deandre Baker's attorney is claiming he was playing Madden when the incident went down. It'll be interesting to see the Madden defense holds. 
It is sad to hear about these cases, a promising young talent makes a stupid decision, starts hanging out with the wrong crowds, or reverting back to a lifestyle consistent with a improper upbringing. And one just never knows what's really happened until all the facts are out. Many of these kids come from very poor and crime infested environments, there are a lot of corrupt influences on their lives, including family members that believe they're entitled to share in the athlete's success, often not understanding that a contract doesn't mean dollars in the bank. Jealousy and greed have a way of making other people do stupid things to undermine the athlete. I'm always careful not to pass judgement until more is known.
It's also interesting to see how situations like this are perceived by the general public. Football fans are usually disinclined to believe the athletes are guilty, while the general public is ready for a conviction. I remember when I first heard about the OJ case, that was close to home since he spent time as a Niner and a Raider, and lived in the same state. The news was a big deal at the time, but I was sure he was being framed, or his gold-digging wife faked it (yes, I thought that briefly, and I am ashamed that the thought even crossed my mind.) Not until all the circumstantial evidence started piling up high did I start to believe that he was indeed guilty. Would I have been so generous in my dismissal of the accusations if it wasn't OJ Simpson? Probably not.
I just watched the Aaron Hernandez documentary myself, and found it quite disturbing on so many levels. If indeed the guy was guilty of all those murders, HOLY FUCK, we had a serial killer playing tight end in the NFL! A really promising tight end... It's so hard to imagine that some one could be such a sociopath, but the documentary certainly makes it appear that way. I can only come away from that thinking he was definitely guilty of all those murders.
I didn't pay much attention to the case at the time so I found all the twists, including the questions about his sexuality quite surprising. The timing of his suicide after that radio show does raise the question about his own homophobia, but we can only speculate if that had anything to with it. Such a sad and twisted existence his life must have been, I can't help but be sympathetic. To think that in this day and age we still live in a culture where people feel they can't be true to themselves and accept their own sexuality. Obviously a breeding ground for mental illness.
It is sad to hear about these cases, a promising young talent makes a stupid decision, starts hanging out with the wrong crowds, or reverting back to a lifestyle consistent with a improper upbringing. And one just never knows what's really happened until all the facts are out. Many of these kids come from very poor and crime infested environments, there are a lot of corrupt influences on their lives, including family members that believe they're entitled to share in the athlete's success, often not understanding that a contract doesn't mean dollars in the bank. Jealousy and greed have a way of making other people do stupid things to undermine the athlete. I'm always careful not to pass judgement until more is known.
It's also interesting to see how situations like this are perceived by the general public. Football fans are usually disinclined to believe the athletes are guilty, while the general public is ready for a conviction. I remember when I first heard about the OJ case, that was close to home since he spent time as a Niner and a Raider, and lived in the same state. The news was a big deal at the time, but I was sure he was being framed, or his gold-digging wife faked it (yes, I thought that briefly, and I am ashamed that the thought even crossed my mind.) Not until all the circumstantial evidence started piling up high did I start to believe that he was indeed guilty. Would I have been so generous in my dismissal of the accusations if it wasn't OJ Simpson? Probably not.
I just watched the Aaron Hernandez documentary myself, and found it quite disturbing on so many levels. If indeed the guy was guilty of all those murders, HOLY FUCK, we had a serial killer playing tight end in the NFL! A really promising tight end... It's so hard to imagine that some one could be such a sociopath, but the documentary certainly makes it appear that way. I can only come away from that thinking he was definitely guilty of all those murders.
I didn't pay much attention to the case at the time so I found all the twists, including the questions about his sexuality quite surprising. The timing of his suicide after that radio show does raise the question about his own homophobia, but we can only speculate if that had anything to with it. Such a sad and twisted existence his life must have been, I can't help but be sympathetic. To think that in this day and age we still live in a culture where people feel they can't be true to themselves and accept their own sexuality. Obviously a breeding ground for mental illness.
Some offseason fun: Arrest Warrant Issued For Giants’ Deandre Baker And Seahawks’ Quinton Dunbar
I will never understand, why people are so dumb, to throw their life into the bin for money - Baker earns $2.6mln/year with the Giants. Even if he has a gambling problem, which lots of NFL players have imo, this is so stupid. Just look for help and let family/friends take care of your finances until you have yourself and your addiction under control again.
If these reports are true, he will spend good parts of his future behind bars - without money and without gambling. Lose-Lose.
And the Giants lost a promising CB
One of the first things that an addict will have to do when trying to recover from his addiction is to admit that he has no control over it otherwise he will not look for help and he will think he can manage it, another thing is that even if we know it takes an enormous amount of effort and talent to get to the NFL that dedication does not necessarily translates to other aspects of their lives including money management, which is why we see so many players being broke after their careers end, this is addressed in the 30 for 30 episode Broke(sorry but I could not find a link on YouTube but it should be somewhere else).Quote
Baker faces four counts of armed robbery with a firearm and four counts of aggravated assault with a firearm.
(...)
Cops say Baker directed a 3rd man to shoot someone who had just walked into the party.
(...)
Per the report, Baker and Dunbar came away with four watches: A Rolex (valued at $18K), a Hubolt ($25K), an Audemars Piguet ($17.5K) and a knock-off Richard Mille ($600). Victims allege they had $12,800 in cash also stolen.
(...)
Baker and Dunbar lost “about” $70,000 two nights earlier at a party in Miami. TMZ reports the losses were from gambling.
(...)
Source: https://nflupdate.co/details-arrest-warrant-issued-for-giants-deandre-baker-and-seahawks-quinton-dunbar/(...)
Cops say Baker directed a 3rd man to shoot someone who had just walked into the party.
(...)
Per the report, Baker and Dunbar came away with four watches: A Rolex (valued at $18K), a Hubolt ($25K), an Audemars Piguet ($17.5K) and a knock-off Richard Mille ($600). Victims allege they had $12,800 in cash also stolen.
(...)
Baker and Dunbar lost “about” $70,000 two nights earlier at a party in Miami. TMZ reports the losses were from gambling.
(...)
I will never understand, why people are so dumb, to throw their life into the bin for money - Baker earns $2.6mln/year with the Giants. Even if he has a gambling problem, which lots of NFL players have imo, this is so stupid. Just look for help and let family/friends take care of your finances until you have yourself and your addiction under control again.
If these reports are true, he will spend good parts of his future behind bars - without money and without gambling. Lose-Lose.
And the Giants lost a promising CB
I finished watching the Aaron Hernandez Story yesterday and it was damn interesting and a very well produced documentary. There is very few NFL related context, but it gives a very nice insight into this whole story, where we will most likely never get to know what really happened during all those years.
A very sad tale full of violence, pressure caused by hidden sexualty, longterm health effects of playing football and busted dreams in the end for everyone involved. I do believe Hernandez is guilty. Not only of the murder of Odin Lloyd, but also of the murder of these two other guys that got shot in their car. A fellow inmate told the media, that Hernandez even confessed a fourth homicide to him.
I think Jose Baez would have been able to bail him out of jail for the Lloyd case - so there was definitely hope - but just as he was acquitted from the Abreu/Furtado case, he took his life, because these reporters went public with Hernandez probably being gay. Speculations are, that these rumours made him commit suicide - for me there is no doubt about it. I wonder, if these reporters feel any guilt.
Hernandez had the most severe CTE ever seen in an individual of his age.
Part 1&2
Part 3
As you may guess I am aware of that story and I watched that three part documentary some time ago and I think the same, he was guilty of all of those homicides(and that is only what we know) however during the first trial he hired local lawyers and lost but once he got a super lawyer he was able to get away with those crimes, by the way that lawyer is the one that defended Casey Anthony in one of the most infamous trials in the US in recent history, it was so controversial that many dubbed it as OJ Simpson 2.0.A very sad tale full of violence, pressure caused by hidden sexualty, longterm health effects of playing football and busted dreams in the end for everyone involved. I do believe Hernandez is guilty. Not only of the murder of Odin Lloyd, but also of the murder of these two other guys that got shot in their car. A fellow inmate told the media, that Hernandez even confessed a fourth homicide to him.
I think Jose Baez would have been able to bail him out of jail for the Lloyd case - so there was definitely hope - but just as he was acquitted from the Abreu/Furtado case, he took his life, because these reporters went public with Hernandez probably being gay. Speculations are, that these rumours made him commit suicide - for me there is no doubt about it. I wonder, if these reporters feel any guilt.
Hernandez had the most severe CTE ever seen in an individual of his age.
Part 1&2
Part 3
And speaking of O.J. if you are interested it could be a good idea to watch the five part documentary O.J. Made in America, the first two parts deal with the life of O.J. Simpson before the infamous crimes, the third part deals with the crime itself, the famous white bronco chase, his arrest and the beginning of the trial, the fourth part deals with the rest of the trial, and the fifth part deals with the verdict and the aftermath, it was really well made(it won an Oscar at the 89th Academy Awards for best documentary) and it had interviews with some of the major participants on the whole thing, like some of the dream team of lawyers that defended O.J., the prosecutors, people on the inside circle of O.J., some jurors, witnesses and some of the family members of the victims, if you have not watched it now it could be a good opportunity to do so.
Finally there are more documentaries related to Football that may be of your interest like The Best That Never Was, Pony Excess, You Don't Know Bo and Elway to Marino(there does not seem to be a complete version of those 30 for 30 episodes on YouTube but again I am sure you could find them somewhere else).
I finished watching the Aaron Hernandez Story yesterday and it was damn interesting and a very well produced documentary. There is very few NFL related context, but it gives a very nice insight into this whole story, where we will most likely never get to know what really happened during all those years.
A very sad tale full of violence, pressure caused by hidden sexualty, longterm health effects of playing football and busted dreams in the end for everyone involved. I do believe Hernandez is guilty. Not only of the murder of Odin Lloyd, but also of the murder of these two other guys that got shot in their car. A fellow inmate told the media, that Hernandez even confessed a fourth homicide to him.
I think Jose Baez would have been able to bail him out of jail for the Lloyd case - so there was definitely hope - but just as he was acquitted from the Abreu/Furtado case, he took his life, because these reporters went public with Hernandez probably being gay. Speculations are, that these rumours made him commit suicide - for me there is no doubt about it. I wonder, if these reporters feel any guilt.
Hernandez had the most severe CTE ever seen in an individual of his age.
Part 1&2
Part 3
A very sad tale full of violence, pressure caused by hidden sexualty, longterm health effects of playing football and busted dreams in the end for everyone involved. I do believe Hernandez is guilty. Not only of the murder of Odin Lloyd, but also of the murder of these two other guys that got shot in their car. A fellow inmate told the media, that Hernandez even confessed a fourth homicide to him.
I think Jose Baez would have been able to bail him out of jail for the Lloyd case - so there was definitely hope - but just as he was acquitted from the Abreu/Furtado case, he took his life, because these reporters went public with Hernandez probably being gay. Speculations are, that these rumours made him commit suicide - for me there is no doubt about it. I wonder, if these reporters feel any guilt.
Hernandez had the most severe CTE ever seen in an individual of his age.
Part 1&2
Part 3
Some offseason fun: Arrest Warrant Issued For Giants’ Deandre Baker And Seahawks’ Quinton Dunbar
I will never understand, why people are so dumb, to throw their life into the bin for money - Baker earns $2.6mln/year with the Giants. Even if he has a gambling problem, which lots of NFL players have imo, this is so stupid. Just look for help and let family/friends take care of your finances until you have yourself and your addiction under control again.
If these reports are true, he will spend good parts of his future behind bars - without money and without gambling. Lose-Lose.
And the Giants lost a promising CB
Quote
Baker faces four counts of armed robbery with a firearm and four counts of aggravated assault with a firearm.
(...)
Cops say Baker directed a 3rd man to shoot someone who had just walked into the party.
(...)
Per the report, Baker and Dunbar came away with four watches: A Rolex (valued at $18K), a Hubolt ($25K), an Audemars Piguet ($17.5K) and a knock-off Richard Mille ($600). Victims allege they had $12,800 in cash also stolen.
(...)
Baker and Dunbar lost “about” $70,000 two nights earlier at a party in Miami. TMZ reports the losses were from gambling.
(...)
Source: https://nflupdate.co/details-arrest-warrant-issued-for-giants-deandre-baker-and-seahawks-quinton-dunbar/(...)
Cops say Baker directed a 3rd man to shoot someone who had just walked into the party.
(...)
Per the report, Baker and Dunbar came away with four watches: A Rolex (valued at $18K), a Hubolt ($25K), an Audemars Piguet ($17.5K) and a knock-off Richard Mille ($600). Victims allege they had $12,800 in cash also stolen.
(...)
Baker and Dunbar lost “about” $70,000 two nights earlier at a party in Miami. TMZ reports the losses were from gambling.
(...)
I will never understand, why people are so dumb, to throw their life into the bin for money - Baker earns $2.6mln/year with the Giants. Even if he has a gambling problem, which lots of NFL players have imo, this is so stupid. Just look for help and let family/friends take care of your finances until you have yourself and your addiction under control again.
If these reports are true, he will spend good parts of his future behind bars - without money and without gambling. Lose-Lose.
And the Giants lost a promising CB
I am taking a look at the schedule of NE and it is no joke, NE will face 6 different playoff teams(Buffalo twice) and four of those games are on the first half with three of them being as a visitor at KC, Seattle and Buffalo and the only game at home will be against SF, and if that was not enough the second half of the season begins with Baltimore and Houston, if NE is able to at least get a 5-5 then we could get in the playoffs but if not then most likely we will see a new division champion on the AFC East something that has not happened since 2008.
I nearly already placed a bet on the Bills to win AFC East some days ago. They are small favourites to win it:
Source: https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nfl-futures
I have to say, I would be really surprised, if the Patriots manage to win this division again - but then again, I thought twice, and well, the Bills are.....just the Bills. This division is really poor, and has been for ages, but it would still be a great accomplishment for the Patriots to win it again. It's never easy to install a new QB, especially not after having played with the goat, and it's not like the Patriots already have some high caliber prospect at their hands, who they just need to develop a bit.
The Bills' schedule looks a bit easier of course. The only road game, which is a sure loss, is the one at the 49ers imo. Dolphins, Raiders, Titans, Jets, Cardinals, Broncos, Pats are all beatable away and at home they can beat anybody on any day. Home schedule looks way harder though, with the Rams, Chiefs, Seahawks, Steelers visiting.
All in all I came to the conclusion that the odds are more or less fair, so I refrained from placing a bet for now.
The AFC South betting odds caught my attention though. Houston has won this division 4/5 in the last years. The Colts have Rivers now. The Titans had a good run last year, but not sure, if this is sustainable. Tannehill has had his payday and he can go back to being the old Tannehill now
Texans/Colts had no first round pick in this years draft and Titans only a late round pick at #29, where they went OT. Houston has lost Hopkins otoh, which could be a big blow. But still I think the odds for the Texans to win the division are a bit high. I think they have more than 25%, what these odds of 4.00 suggest:
Source: https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nfl-futures
The 2020 schedule has been released and what can say - I am very happy about it The NFL listened to me, lol, and we have Buccaneers@Saints in week 1.
Honestly I am surprised, I really thought the NFL will put those games at the end of the season, TB will face Atlanta on week 15 and week 17, if instead of Atlanta TB faced NO then those games could be the equivalent of playoff games, however it is possible the NFL considered that if TB was not doing well then those games could lose all the hype they have built and decided to take advantage of it as soon as they could to avoid what happened with Cleveland during the last season. The NFL listened to me, lol, and we have Buccaneers@Saints in week 1. I am taking a look at the schedule of NE and it is no joke, NE will face 6 different playoff teams(Buffalo twice) and four of those games are on the first half with three of them being as a visitor at KC, Seattle and Buffalo and the only game at home will be against SF, and if that was not enough the second half of the season begins with Baltimore and Houston, if NE is able to at least get a 5-5 then we could get in the playoffs but if not then most likely we will see a new division champion on the AFC East something that has not happened since 2008.
The 2020 schedule has been released and what can say - I am very happy about it The NFL listened to me, lol, and we have Buccaneers@Saints in week 1.
The Giants, for what feels like the first time in a decade, won't have to travel to Arlington for week 1, but will play the Steelers at MetLife. Maybe, just maybe, they can snatch a win and could set the tone for a season that lets them fight for a PO spot. 49ers will play the Cardinals at home and Dolphins will try to beat the Brady-less Patriots with Tua.
There are lots of other great matchups - Seahawks@Falcons, Packers@Vikings, Cowboys@Rams - and I just can't wait
The NFL listened to me, lol, and we have Buccaneers@Saints in week 1. The Giants, for what feels like the first time in a decade, won't have to travel to Arlington for week 1, but will play the Steelers at MetLife. Maybe, just maybe, they can snatch a win and could set the tone for a season that lets them fight for a PO spot. 49ers will play the Cardinals at home and Dolphins will try to beat the Brady-less Patriots with Tua.
There are lots of other great matchups - Seahawks@Falcons, Packers@Vikings, Cowboys@Rams - and I just can't wait
(...), I'm not an expert but according to what I have read most QBs have problems adapting to the Bruce Arians offense and they keep throwing interceptions on their first year but that number will begin to go down as they learn more about it, (...)
These stats from Carson Palmer definitely support that assumption:
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson_Palmer
Palmer, just like Winston, was quite erratic too, while being a bit more accurate. Will be interesting to see how Brady will do under Arians. I would think that Arians will take a more cautious offensive approach with Brady and not just put his system over Brady. Brady played quite some dink and dunk with the Patriots and I guess they will meet somewhere in the middle for the start.
So, Jameis Winston is heading to the Saints: QB Jameis Winston reaches one-year deal with Saints
I like that very much, because I like Winston and still think he is, or could be, an above average QB. He just needs to work on his weaknesses and Brees is just the right guy to teach him. He is just 26 and I see a lot of similarities between him and Brees. Winston is of course erratic, but this is something he can improve (i.e. get rid of to some extent). He will always have some more interceptions, but he is also pretty mobile, which Brees is not.
I don't think the Saints do plan (yet) with Winston being the successor of Brees, once he retires. But he is a good option to develop imo. If they can calm him down, he could very well be their next starting QB - I don't see Hill as that, he will always be some hybrid for them imo. If Winston doesn't play out longterm for the Saints, they at least have someone to jump in, if Brees goes down during the season and Winston will give them a good chance to still be competitive. You won't find any better backups and he is cheap for them.
Win-win.
Winston could become a decent QB if he just limited the number of interceptions, I'm not an expert but according to what I have read most QBs have problems adapting to the Bruce Arians offense and they keep throwing interceptions on their first year but that number will begin to go down as they learn more about it, unfortunately for Winston he was at the end of his contract and Tampa Bay could not pass up on Tom Brady.I like that very much, because I like Winston and still think he is, or could be, an above average QB. He just needs to work on his weaknesses and Brees is just the right guy to teach him. He is just 26 and I see a lot of similarities between him and Brees. Winston is of course erratic, but this is something he can improve (i.e. get rid of to some extent). He will always have some more interceptions, but he is also pretty mobile, which Brees is not.
I don't think the Saints do plan (yet) with Winston being the successor of Brees, once he retires. But he is a good option to develop imo. If they can calm him down, he could very well be their next starting QB - I don't see Hill as that, he will always be some hybrid for them imo. If Winston doesn't play out longterm for the Saints, they at least have someone to jump in, if Brees goes down during the season and Winston will give them a good chance to still be competitive. You won't find any better backups and he is cheap for them.
Win-win.
For New Orleans this is a great move, they get a QB with experience for a good price to be behind Drew Brees so in the case he goes down their season is not over as it will happen to any team without a good backup QB.
And on the funny side of things, Winston is used to throw to Saints players:
Source: https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1254431480052436994
LOL, that was too brutal.Source: https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1254431480052436994
In my case I liked the fact that it was more personal and did not felt as artificial as in the past so I hope they find a way to keep that, thanks to that even Roger Goodell seemed even likeable at some points during the draft, (...)
The pics from all the players sitting there with their friends and family were lovely. And I always find it interesting to have a look into the houses of people
The coaches/GMs sitting at their desks with their kids/dogs/whatever around was nice too. That basement room from Roger Goodell though......that dude is the commissioner of a multi billion dollar business and announces the draft picks, which make a lot of young people insta-millionaires, from this very basic looking environment. Strange to watch, but also quite sympathic. 
Belichick's dog Nike drafting safety Kyle Dugger No. 37 overall during the second round.
Nike receiving his just reward for a job well done.
I don’t know, I am starting to think Nike has been given too much power within the organization and probably had something to do with Brady leaving, it will not surprise me if he was planning to get rid of Belichick as well in the future.
So, Jameis Winston is heading to the Saints: QB Jameis Winston reaches one-year deal with Saints
I like that very much, because I like Winston and still think he is, or could be, an above average QB. He just needs to work on his weaknesses and Brees is just the right guy to teach him. He is just 26 and I see a lot of similarities between him and Brees. Winston is of course erratic, but this is something he can improve (i.e. get rid of to some extent). He will always have some more interceptions, but he is also pretty mobile, which Brees is not.
I don't think the Saints do plan (yet) with Winston being the successor of Brees, once he retires. But he is a good option to develop imo. If they can calm him down, he could very well be their next starting QB - I don't see Hill as that, he will always be some hybrid for them imo. If Winston doesn't play out longterm for the Saints, they at least have someone to jump in, if Brees goes down during the season and Winston will give them a good chance to still be competitive. You won't find any better backups and he is cheap for them.
Win-win.
And on the funny side of things, Winston is used to throw to Saints players:
Source: https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1254431480052436994
I like that very much, because I like Winston and still think he is, or could be, an above average QB. He just needs to work on his weaknesses and Brees is just the right guy to teach him. He is just 26 and I see a lot of similarities between him and Brees. Winston is of course erratic, but this is something he can improve (i.e. get rid of to some extent). He will always have some more interceptions, but he is also pretty mobile, which Brees is not.
I don't think the Saints do plan (yet) with Winston being the successor of Brees, once he retires. But he is a good option to develop imo. If they can calm him down, he could very well be their next starting QB - I don't see Hill as that, he will always be some hybrid for them imo. If Winston doesn't play out longterm for the Saints, they at least have someone to jump in, if Brees goes down during the season and Winston will give them a good chance to still be competitive. You won't find any better backups and he is cheap for them.
Win-win.
And on the funny side of things, Winston is used to throw to Saints players:
Source: https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1254431480052436994
Just look at Mahomes which is the latest example of this, his natural talent is incredible and yet when he was drafted many analysts gave KC very bad grades for that pick, however he went to a team that was already a playoff contender, it had probably the best coach of this era that had not won a SB and could sit behind a capable QB in Alex Smith so he did not need to play immediately.
(...)
In the case of Joe Burrow I think I only watched two of his games so it is not like I have seen a lot of him, however he is walking in a very complex situation, Cincinnati has been quite bad for some years, their Head Coach is inexperienced and we do not really have an idea of what he can do, and if that was not enough the expectations out of him are going to be very high from the beginning not only because he is a first overall pick of the draft but also because he is seen as some kind of Ohio’s Hero which will put additional pressure on him.
(...)
In the case of Joe Burrow I think I only watched two of his games so it is not like I have seen a lot of him, however he is walking in a very complex situation, Cincinnati has been quite bad for some years, their Head Coach is inexperienced and we do not really have an idea of what he can do, and if that was not enough the expectations out of him are going to be very high from the beginning not only because he is a first overall pick of the draft but also because he is seen as some kind of Ohio’s Hero which will put additional pressure on him.
Yes, agree. He comes from LSU, where everything was clicking, adversity was just a word and he forgot how it feels to lose. Now he comes to an organization in shambles, where he will face adversity on a regular basis and might forget how it feels to win. Mahomes is a pretty tough guy imo and Burrow doesn't strike me as a person, who will easily deal with all these circumstances. He fits well into a working system, but can he carry and lead a team that has a lot of work to do ? I have my doubts.
AFC North is also a bit harder than AFC West imo. In AFC West, you have the Raiders and Chargers, that are a bit of messy organisations and the Broncos being so and so all the time. In AFC North, you have the Ravens and Steelers, who are always competitive and tough to play, while Cleveland is on the rise too (or said to be on the rise
)In my case I liked the fact that it was more personal and did not felt as artificial as in the past so I hope they find a way to keep that, thanks to that even Roger Goodell seemed even likeable at some points during the draft, (...)
The pics from all the players sitting there with their friends and family were lovely. And I always find it interesting to have a look into the houses of people
The coaches/GMs sitting at their desks with their kids/dogs/whatever around was nice too. That basement room from Roger Goodell though......that dude is the commissioner of a multi billion dollar business and announces the draft picks, which make a lot of young people insta-millionaires, from this very basic looking environment. Strange to watch, but also quite sympathic. I don't know why, but I love it that you guys are gambling on the NFL draft. I had no idea that there were gambling markets for this stuff, but now that I think about, why wouldn't there be, lol?
Well the NFL draft has been a big event for a long time and since there is almost nothing on TV it broke records in terms of viewership, so not only it makes sense that casinos not only offered ways to bet on it but that they offered many more bets than usual in order to take advantage of itHow about the Bengals taking Joe Burrow? Not surprising, considering their needs, and I have high hopes for Burrow's career. Is he the nest Joe Montana?
This is something really difficult to answer, I have always thought that legendary QBs would have found a way to be successful no matter the circumstances, but in order to get the most out of them they need to get to the perfect situation for them.Just look at Mahomes which is the latest example of this, his natural talent is incredible and yet when he was drafted many analysts gave KC very bad grades for that pick, however he went to a team that was already a playoff contender, it had probably the best coach of this era that had not won a SB and could sit behind a capable QB in Alex Smith so he did not need to play immediately.
In the case of Montana he walked in a situation that had an innovative offensive genius on Bill Walsh that had already proven his West Coast Offence could work, had great receivers like Dwight Clark and years later they added Jerry Rice and if that was not enough most people forget they had a tremendous defence, to exemplify this SF defeated Miami 38-16 at SB XIX and yet one year later before free agency Miami defeated Chicago 38-24 and it gave to them their only defeat of that season, think about it Miami could only score 16 against SF’s defence but it could score 38 against the 1985 Chicago Bears Defence which is considered to be one of the best of all time.
In the case of Joe Burrow I think I only watched two of his games so it is not like I have seen a lot of him, however he is walking in a very complex situation, Cincinnati has been quite bad for some years, their Head Coach is inexperienced and we do not really have an idea of what he can do, and if that was not enough the expectations out of him are going to be very high from the beginning not only because he is a first overall pick of the draft but also because he is seen as some kind of Ohio’s Hero which will put additional pressure on him.
What do you liked the most about this draft? What did you hated the most? What do you think the NFL could implement from this draft to next drafts once things go back to normal(or at least something that resembles it)?
In my case I liked the fact that it was more personal and did not felt as artificial as in the past so I hope they find a way to keep that, thanks to that even Roger Goodell seemed even likeable at some points during the draft, but what I did not liked at all was the lack of booing to Goodell, he made a reference to it at the beginning but for the most part there was very little booing in something that has become almost like a tradition at the draft.
How about the Bengals taking Joe Burrow? Not surprising, considering their needs, and I have high hopes for Burrow's career. Is he the nest Joe Montana?
I am always a bit more skeptical with QBs from the big Colleges. They have the best talent around them and of course that makes it easier for them to shine. His 2019 numbers at LSU were nothing but impressive, breaking NCAA records for passer rating (202.0) and total TD (60, yes 60!), but it could be kind of a fluke as well. It was one extraordinary season and with the Bengals he won't have the best talent around him for the start.
Is he the next Joe Montana ? As you said, only time will tell. He certainly is a Joe already and I don't expect him to be an average Joe. He has all the tools, but it needs a lot of factors to fall into place, to have a HoF career.
I don't know why, but I love it that you guys are gambling on the NFL draft. I had no idea that there were gambling markets for this stuff, but now that I think about, why wouldn't there be, lol?
Purely from the perspective of a fan, I think the Vikings might have won the draft this year. They made some great moves, adding a much needed weapon to add to Cousin's arsenal, and a quick Corner Back to bolster their pass defense.
I was a bit disappointed with the Niner's draft order in the first round, I would have liked to see them take one of the top receive prospects instead of a DT, and wait until later in the draft to work on the Defense. I only say that because our defense was pretty stout last year, but we could have used more targets for Garoppolo. I'm not surprised by Lynch's decisions, the Niners have a long history of approaching the draft conservatively. And with Staley announcing his retirement (I'm gonna miss him) the decision to trade a couple of picks for Trent Williams makes a lot of sense.
Like any draft, it's going to be a couple of years before we can truly evaluate the decisions made this year.
How about the Bengals taking Joe Burrow? Not surprising, considering their needs, and I have high hopes for Burrow's career. Is he the nest Joe Montana?
For those of you who took some gambles on the results, I hope you came out ahead.
Purely from the perspective of a fan, I think the Vikings might have won the draft this year. They made some great moves, adding a much needed weapon to add to Cousin's arsenal, and a quick Corner Back to bolster their pass defense.
I was a bit disappointed with the Niner's draft order in the first round, I would have liked to see them take one of the top receive prospects instead of a DT, and wait until later in the draft to work on the Defense. I only say that because our defense was pretty stout last year, but we could have used more targets for Garoppolo. I'm not surprised by Lynch's decisions, the Niners have a long history of approaching the draft conservatively. And with Staley announcing his retirement (I'm gonna miss him) the decision to trade a couple of picks for Trent Williams makes a lot of sense.
Like any draft, it's going to be a couple of years before we can truly evaluate the decisions made this year.
How about the Bengals taking Joe Burrow? Not surprising, considering their needs, and I have high hopes for Burrow's career. Is he the nest Joe Montana?
For those of you who took some gambles on the results, I hope you came out ahead.
I still can't believe i fall for the rumors that Dolphins will move up to #3, thus missing on Okudah. SMH!
Yes, same here. That miss on Lamb was ok, but being fooled by these trade rumours hurts
It also hurt other promos/games where I participated in. And look at this:I have placed a bet on Justin Herbert being picked under 5.5 at William Hill for @2.15.
Highest Drafted Edge Rusher (only these three count for this bet):
Josh Uche 1.68
Julian Okwara 2.75
Terrell Lewis 5.50 Stake 3/10 Betonline
Will Austin Jackson be a 1st Round Pick?
Yes 1.28
No 3.25 Stake 2/10 Betonline
Which Pick Will Andrew Thomas be Drafted
Under 10½ Pick 1.62
Over 10½ Pick 2.20 Stake 1/10 Betonline
Total Players from Clemson Drafted in Round 1
Over 1½ Players Drafted 1.22
Under 1½ Players Drafted 3.75 Stake 2/10 Betonline
Josh Uche 1.68
Julian Okwara 2.75
Terrell Lewis 5.50 Stake 3/10 Betonline
Will Austin Jackson be a 1st Round Pick?
Yes 1.28
No 3.25 Stake 2/10 Betonline
Which Pick Will Andrew Thomas be Drafted
Under 10½ Pick 1.62
Over 10½ Pick 2.20 Stake 1/10 Betonline
Total Players from Clemson Drafted in Round 1
Over 1½ Players Drafted 1.22
Under 1½ Players Drafted 3.75 Stake 2/10 Betonline
First 3 Wide Receivers Drafted - Exact Order
1. Lamb 2. Ruggs 3. Jefferson 23.00 Stake 1/10 betonline
Jeudy draft position: over 12.5 @2.30 Stake: 4/10 William Hill
1. Lamb 2. Ruggs 3. Jefferson 23.00 Stake 1/10 betonline
Jeudy draft position: over 12.5 @2.30 Stake: 4/10 William Hill
What a piss poor performance. I had put no stakes for Herbert pick, but all others add already up to -3.8 units. And only one bet won in total
But at least it was the last one posted, so I can claim to be on a streak. -
But all in all it was nice to watch some "sports" again. Really showed me, how much I miss sports these days and especially NFL. Lets hope the season will start according to plan; can't wait to watch Tampa. Hoping for a Saints - Bucs matchup week1
Yeah man, it sucks big time. I got fleeced by the Chiefs and you by Belichick's dog (Nike) at the last possible moment.
NE drafted, after Dugger, three offensive players, OLB and two TEs.
I still can't believe i fall for the rumors that Dolphins will move up to #3, thus missing on Okudah. SMH!
NE drafted, after Dugger, three offensive players, OLB and two TEs.
I still can't believe i fall for the rumors that Dolphins will move up to #3, thus missing on Okudah. SMH!
Too bad I was so happy, when the Giants took McKinney, because it was good for the promo and I also like that pick in general, but that joy didn't last long Looks like we will both come up empty @morvillz7z, since one of those guys surely had McKinney/defensive combination.
I was so happy, when the Giants took McKinney, because it was good for the promo and I also like that pick in general, but that joy didn't last long Looks like we will both come up empty @morvillz7z, since one of those guys surely had McKinney/defensive combination.
^What if all four of you have Patriots pick an offensive player and Belichick decides to go defense instead, wouldn't that be beautiful?
I'm not holding my breath though, Patriots first picks the last two years (late first-rounders): OT, RB, and WR. haha gg
Some of the mock drafts have NE choose between Epenesa (DE), Yetur Gross-Matos (DE), or Kmet (TE)...
edit; McKinney (NYG) and Kyle Dugger/S (NE)
Off-topic; i hope Chiefs win their next Super Bowl in 2070
I'm not holding my breath though, Patriots first picks the last two years (late first-rounders): OT, RB, and WR. haha gg
Some of the mock drafts have NE choose between Epenesa (DE), Yetur Gross-Matos (DE), or Kmet (TE)...
edit; McKinney (NYG) and Kyle Dugger/S (NE)
Off-topic; i hope Chiefs win their next Super Bowl in 2070
What I would like to know is who was trying to get Jordan Love? Miami just had selected their future QB and it does not seem as if Seattle, Baltimore or Tennessee needed a QB, so who was trying to get ahead of GB so they felt the need to trade up for him?
Yes, seemed a bit like a desperate move, but GB surely just didn't do it for fun, so they must have heard some rumours. Looking a bit further down the list, I could imagine the Colts maybe thinking about moving up from #34. Get Love, let him learn one year behind Rivers and then put him in. Colts seem to have lost trust in Brissett being their answer at QB, so such a move would make sense.
While waiting for the second round to start (nearly midnight here already
), it came to my mind that the Patriots could take McKinney and thus destroy all my Sportsbet promo hopes This would put us both at 12/15 @morvillz7z, but don't think it would be enough for any prize money. One of those 11/13 guys surely has McKinney/defensive player as well and would take the pot then. Even worse, if the Patriots pick Delpit or Winfield, but they have good safeties, so I think this won't happen. Jump to: