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legendary
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0   198573   Hueristic
1   234771   suchmoon
2   279158   wheelz1200
3   317618   nutildah
4   355846   yahoo62278
5   537028   bbc.reporter
6   554165   South Park
7   881377   Hhampuz
8   904524   ChiBitCTy
9   1825672   morvillz7z
A   2003859   DireWolfM14
B   2722098   seek3r


My Thursday is open, so if no one else wants, i can do the hash lottery thing again and update it in real time.

It will take approximately 6 hours, possibly less if we are lucky. The final two spots took nearly as long as the first 7.

The list above is based on forum's UIDs, like we did last year (apologies for the mass tagging).

Maybe Hueristic can choose a random block ahead of tomorrow and we can start from there, or the first pick is the first block after (for example, the first block after 11:59:59 a.m. EST).
hero member
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Sorry for my long absence here -.-

Thank you once again Hueristic for keeping me up 2 date via DM.
Since I am absolute new to this I accept everything from you guys. Only problem for me could be the draft time since I am from Europe like @HHampuz.

Everything behind 7pm EST is nearly impossible for me. How long does the draft take?
Last year it took close to 55 to 60 minutes as you need to enter the lobby 10 minutes before the draft, so with the two additional members it should take close to 65 to 70 minutes before the whole thing is over.
legendary
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Sorry for my long absence here -.-

Thank you once again Hueristic for keeping me up 2 date via DM.
Since I am absolute new to this I accept everything from you guys. Only problem for me could be the draft time since I am from Europe like @HHampuz.

Everything behind 7pm EST is nearly impossible for me. How long does the draft take?
legendary
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Can I make a request to start it either 2 hours before or 2 hours after of 7pm?

Check with Hhampuz and Nutildah, and see if they can adjust, I am going to guess not as they are both like 12 hours out from each other so that is where they can both make it.

So only force a change if you really have to.

I cleared my schedule. I removed all meetings with Donald Trump, Putin and Oprah Winfrey. I told them that I have something more important to do. The Donald asked what it was. I replied my fantasy league draft. Putin frowned, Oprah was shocked and rested her hands on her waist and the Donald gave me a thumbs up.

@South Park. I like the hash lottery. It will make you feel if you won or lost something hehehehe. I thought I won last year, however, I learned that I did not want to be first in a snake draft order.
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Why is it so complicated? Why not let the fantasy choose a random order and go with it? Am I missing something? Do wheel of names to choose the draft order, seems fair enough to me. Someone just has to share their screen in discord so it's not manipulated.
In a way this is my fault, when the first edition of this FF league was created I suggested the use of a hash lottery to decide the draft order, and it basically won by default, during the second edition of this FF league that took place last year some league members expressed they liked this method of selecting the draft order, so morvillz7z made it happen, so the hash lottery has become part of this league, however if at some point there is a high enough opposition to it we will eliminate it as we do with any other setting we may not like, so if enough league members come forward asking to remove it then it will happen.
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What do you think about the hash lottery taking place at block 805670, which should be mined roughly on Friday September 1st at 0:00 Default Forum Time with the next tickets?


0. @Hueristic
1. @suchmoon
2. @wheelz1200
3. @nutildah
4. @yahoo62278
5. @bbc.reporter
6. @South Park
7. @Hhampuz
8. @ChiBitCTy
9. @morvillz7z
A. @DireWolfM14
B. @seek3r...


Works for me unless anyone has a problem with it we will consider it done.


Why is it so complicated? Why not let the fantasy choose a random order and go with it? Am I missing something? Do wheel of names to choose the draft order, seems fair enough to me. Someone just has to share their screen in discord so it's not manipulated.

How long you been on this site?

We always do complicated! Tongue
legendary
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Why is it so complicated? Why not let the fantasy choose a random order and go with it? Am I missing something? Do wheel of names to choose the draft order, seems fair enough to me. Someone just has to share their screen in discord so it's not manipulated.
hero member
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This looks like its overly complicated when in order to keep it simple all we have to do is use a blocks hash as a seed in a randomizer.
Well, it is only a proposal, we could do it as we have being doing so the previous years, however it may take a long time before we get all the spots filled.

What do you think about the hash lottery taking place at block 805670, which should be mined roughly on Friday September 1st at 0:00 Default Forum Time with the next tickets?


0. @Hueristic
1. @suchmoon
2. @wheelz1200
3. @nutildah
4. @yahoo62278
5. @bbc.reporter
6. @South Park
7. @Hhampuz
8. @ChiBitCTy
9. @morvillz7z
A. @DireWolfM14
B. @seek3r
C. NA
D. NA
E. NA
F. NA

This should give us sometime to iron out any issues and see if those which have yet to join the league will do so or we will have to figure out something out, in which case the hash lottery may have to be delayed.
legendary
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Can I make a request to start it either 2 hours before or 2 hours after of 7pm?

Check with Hhampuz and Nutildah, and see if they can adjust, I am going to guess not as they are both like 12 hours out from each other so that is where they can both make it.

So only force a change if you really have to.
legendary
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OK, I think we are going to have to put a timeframe on setting our draft time.

I'm sure most of us need to know at least a few days ahead of time when the draft will be so as to set our schedules not to conflict with other drafts and RL shit.

So I think I will have to give a cutoff time for discussion of Wed and have a last and FINAL vote on thurs if we don't have a consensus before then.

We are currently waiting on nutildah and Hhampuz to figure a out a timeframe they can both make and give that to us to verify we can all make that range.

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RULES CHANGES:
OK, I went back and reread all the posts and started applying peoples votes but found it became unwieldy as some of the discussions changed the questions and I didn't feel the people that voted should be locked in to their votes and rather than make a whole discussion over each change here are the current questions and everyone can vote again.

* denotes last years setting

1) South Park: Should we change the playoff format?
And let 6 teams to move to the playoffs with the top two teams getting a BYE or maybe expand it to 8 teams as some may not like not playing their teams on

the most important part of the season?

Playoff spots:

a)4 *

b)6

c)8


2)DireWolfM14:What do you guys think of having two payouts?  I was thinking the second place team gets double the entry fee, and winner takes the rest.  

Payout places
a)1*

b)2*

c)3

d)MORE

*note 1st place was split last year as the death on the field cancelled a game with league players original was winner take all



3)morvillz7z: replace kicker with a flex spot  

a) yes

b) no*

C) don't care/abstain





4) OK now on the waiver method, due to the choices being multifaceted it can become complicated to vote for one.

So I think what we can do is break it down and vote multiple times on the method to choose.

OK if that was not clear this is an example of what I am saying.

We will vote on whether to use reverse order or continuous rolling or a mix of the two (hybrid). If we choose reverse order then there are 2 different choices of that (I will explain that if that is our choice before the next vote) and if we do hybrid then obviously those 2 choices also come into play. So we will not need a second vote only if continuous rolling is chosen.

Now correct me if i'm wrong but I think 2 years ago we used reverse order and last year we used continuous rolling.

NOW a Hybrid just means that we can use both.

I will change the method depending on what we decide.

For instance my choice would be to use Reverse for the beginning of the league (like first 5 weeks) and then change to continuous rolling for the remainder of the league.

My argument for this is that if you draft horrible then the first 5 weeks you can get good waiver picks and make a decent team BUT after 5 weeks it will not hurt good teams that get injured players by pushing them down to the bottom of the waiver list every week which I believe is unfair.

So the current voting options are.

a)reverse order

b)continuous rolling

c)Hybrid

d) don't care/abstain

My votes are

1) Playoff spots, 4.
2) Payout spots, 1 is okay, however, if most of you want 2, also okay.
3) Replace kicker with flex, no. I like to play similar to our team format last year.
4) Waiver method, okay to hybrid. Reverse and continuous order did not have a difference for me hehehehe. I still lose.

OK, PMing everyone also announced in discord and will be emailed through league that Monday, September 4th, 7 p.m. EST will be Draft date unless they Veto it by Wed.




Can I make a request to start it either 2 hours before or 2 hours after of 7pm?
legendary
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OK, PMing everyone also announced in discord and will be emailed through league that Monday, September 4th, 7 p.m. EST will be Draft date unless they Veto it by Wed.


legendary
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And about the hash lottery I think that until we can confirm the participation of everyone we should not go through it as there is still a free spot on the league, however if there are no objections I am willing to do the hash lottery but I want to propose a small change.

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Fine with me. I'm no mathematician but it seems like this wouldn't screw up anyone's chances.
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Playoff spots:
b) 4

Payout places
b) 2

replace kicker with a flex spot 
b) no

waiver method
a) reverse order of standings

7pm EST on Monday the 4th works for me.
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1)playoff format?
b)6

2)payouts?
a)1*


3)replace kicker
a)yes


4)waiver method
a)reverse order

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draft date/time

Monday, September 4th, 7 p.m. EST

aight
hero member
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To me any time and any date is fine really, so as long as you come up with the definitive time I will be there drafting with all of you.

My votes.
Playoff spots: 6
Payout spots: 2
Replace kicker: no
Waiver order: reverse order

And about the hash lottery I think that until we can confirm the participation of everyone we should not go through it as there is still a free spot on the league, however if there are no objections I am willing to do the hash lottery but I want to propose a small change.

During the first hash lottery only 12 blocks were needed to determine the draft order, but the second time around it took morvillz7z 7 hours and 44 blocks for the spots to given, this was because we went from having two tickets each to only having one, so taking into account the increase on the number of participants it could take 100 blocks or more before all the spots are given, so in order to avoid this I propose the next.

Supposing that everyone confirms their participation and the tickets were given according to this order:

Code:
Hueristic - payment received
suchmoon - payment received
wheelz1200
nutildah - payment received
yahoo62278 - payment received
bbc.reporter - payment received
South Park - payment received
Hhampuz - payment received
ChiBitCTy - payment received
morvillz7z - payment received
DireWolfM14 - payment received
seek3r

Then these will be the tickets for the hash lottery:

0. Hueristic
1. suchmoon
2. wheelz1200
3. nutildah
4. yahoo62278
5. bbc.reporter
6. South Park
7. Hhampuz
8. ChiBitCTy
9. morvillz7z
A. DireWolfM14
B. seek3r
C. NA
D. NA
E. NA
F. NA

And assuming that block 805624 was selected as the block when the hash lottery will begin then these will be the results of the mock hash lottery:

805264      D   NA* This will be important later on as I will use it as an example.
805265      A   DireWolfM14
805266      D   NA
805267      0   Hueristic
805268      6   South Park
805269      8   ChiBitCTy

805270      A   NA** DireWolfM14 does not receive a second pick here obviously
805271      6   NA
805272      7   Hhampuz
805273      9   morvillz7z
805274      E   NA
805275      E   NA
805276      4   yahoo62278
805277      0   NA
805278      4   NA
805279      A   NA

805280      6   NA
805281      1   suchmoon

Now so far the mock hash lottery has progressed in the same way as on the previous years, so far 8th picks have been selected on 18 blocks, but from this moment on things will get harder and we could easily get to 100 blocks before the last draft positions are determined, but this is where I propose a change, I propose that from the 9th pick and up the tickets C, D, E and F are given to the players which have not received a draft position on ascending order.

So the tickets will go from this:

2. wheelz1200
3. nutildah
5. bbc.reporter
B. seek3r

To this:

2 and C. wheelz1200
3 and D. nutildah
5 and E. bbc.reporter
B and F. seek3r

Now does this means that nutildah as the owner of the D ticket can get the first pick of the draft? No, as this ticket did not belong to them at the time and it can only be used to determine the draft position of the 9th pick and up.

Now lets continue with our mock hash lottery.

805282      6   NA
805283      2   wheelz1200
805284      0   NA
805285      F   seek3r
805286      B   NA
805287      C   NA
805288      D   nutildah
805288      D   bbc.reporter***

***The last block determined the last two spots.

So the results of the mock draft will be as follows after 25 blocks:

01. DireWolfM14
02. Hueristic
03. South Park
04. ChiBitCTy
05. Hhampuz
06. morvillz7z
07. yahoo62278
08. suchmoon
09. wheelz1200
10. seek3r
11. nutildah
12. bbc.reporter

So with this little change despite having two more players we could get all the draft positions sorted with a little bit more than half of the blocks that it took to do the same last year.

I hope to listen to your opinions about this possible change.
legendary
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I have tonget into that discord.  Yeah I'm fine with Monday at 7p est too is that full up what's been decided, that's way better than Sunday at 3pm.  Labor day party and trying to not be "that guy" lol.  Although it's fantasy football some people would get it Smiley
legendary
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My votes:

RULES CHANGES:
Playoff spots:
b)6

Payout places
b)2*

replace kicker with a flex spot  
b) no*

waiver method
a)reverse order



7pm Monday was what we discussed in discord, if that works for everyone else?

EST???

I believe so, yeah.

Fine with me.
legendary
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Meh.
7pm Monday was what we discussed in discord, if that works for everyone else?

EST???

I believe so, yeah.
legendary
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7pm Monday was what we discussed in discord, if that works for everyone else?

EST???
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