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About the two payouts I agree, second place should also get a reward especially now that getting there is even harder with two additional teams.

Now that I recall we did have two payouts both of the past years.  Last year was a bit of a clusterfuck due to the Damar Hamlin incident.
Do we want more than two payouts?  I vote for two; 0.005 for second place, and 0.025 for the champ.


About replacing the kicker I am against it, kickers are football players too.

I vote for keeping the kicker.  I won't go so far as saying kickers are football players, but still.

As for the playoffs, I agree that 8 is too many, but I don't like the idea of a bye week for the top two teams, so my vote is 4 teams in the playoffs, week 16 semis and week 17 finals.


How about setting up a discord server or similar for the league? Could be nice with some trashtalk (and sidebets perhaps). Or if there are other services preferred over discord, I'm all ears!

That's not a bad idea at all.  I like matrix chat the best, Element.io offers a good client.  Open-source, free, local key encryption, and it has voice and video conferencing as well, in case I feel the need to repulse you guys with my ugly mug.  But I don't mind Discord, even Telegram would work.  I would guess that everyone here already has a Discord account, so no need to push anything else.

It would be fun to get on a group voice call for the draft.
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Meh.
How about setting up a discord server or similar for the league? Could be nice with some trashtalk (and sidebets perhaps). Or if there are other services preferred over discord, I'm all ears!
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Joe Burrow is higher than Josh Allen,

No.  But Justin Herbert might be better than both of them this year.

I would be shocked if that was true and if you were a random person in the forum, the skeptical me would think that you are tricking us to pick Justin Herbert first over Joe Burrow and Josh Allen in our draft hehehehehee.

In any case, you might be right after the Chargers hired a new offensive coordinator and traded for some wide receivers who are said to like going deep on the field. There was also an interview with Herbert where he said that he would like to throw the ball deep more this year. This might also be one of the reasons not to put Ekeler very high in our rankings.

Honestly I can easily see that happening.  Where josh Allen has a step over Justin is his legs.  But Herbert consistenty puts up both yards and tds.  Quarterback will be one of those positions that might be shocking how it plays out this year.  I have my own way I like to draft but it hasn't worked last couple years gonna switch it up.  Can't wait to get the season going.
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I am pretty late as this has been decided already but I am voting anyway yes to everything, except question 3 which is about using any veto against @seek3r and @yahoo62278 as they are both nice additions to the league and I am on favor of them joining the league.


About the playoff format I think that 6 teams making it to the playoffs is where the sweat spot is, if we keep the current format then it is likely the top spots could be monopolized by the good teams on the league 2 or even 3 weeks in before the end of the regular season, but allowing 8 teams will allow almost all teams to have a chance to get to the playoffs and this is undesirable as well, so 6 teams seems like the best choice as this will allow for even the last weeks to be exciting as a team or two are fighting for the last spot to the playoffs.

About the two payouts I agree, second place should also get a reward especially now that getting there is even harder with two additional teams.

About replacing the kicker I am against it, kickers are football players too.

About changing the waivers to reverse standings I am on favor, while I understand some may not like this as this rewards those which had a bad draft, at the same time I think we should give a small incentive to those players to not quit during the middle of the season, and this seems like the right place to do so.


lol.  I'm in a league where they force us to have 2 kickers.  It's the dumbest league ever but I play in it because my best friend from HS asked me to co-manage it with him years ago, and it's a way for us to stay in touch and what not. Anyways I keep trying to get them to change the rules but they won't budge. I named my team "2 kickers 1 league" ..they weren't amused Smiley  (hopefully you get the joke there)
You are too savage, lol.


Fine, I'll play one more year with you guys  Grin

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Joe Burrow is higher than Josh Allen,

No.  But Justin Herbert might be better than both of them this year.

I would be shocked if that was true and if you were a random person in the forum, the skeptical me would think that you are tricking us to pick Justin Herbert first over Joe Burrow and Josh Allen in our draft hehehehehee.

In any case, you might be right after the Chargers hired a new offensive coordinator and traded for some wide receivers who are said to like going deep on the field. There was also an interview with Herbert where he said that he would like to throw the ball deep more this year. This might also be one of the reasons not to put Ekeler very high in our rankings.
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Joe Burrow is higher than Josh Allen,

No.  But Justin Herbert might be better than both of them this year.

Dak Presscott lower than Aaron Rodgers?

Yes.  I'd rather have Aaron stoned out of his gorge on weed, mushrooms, and mescal than a stone-cold sober Dak.  I don't know how Rodgers will do in NY, but normally I would put him higher than 9th.

Should Massage Watson be in the list?

No.
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Fine, I'll play one more year with you guys  Grin

Woot!  We've got a full crew, and a damn fine bunch we are, even if I do say so myself.

Okay next is when will we begin the hash lottery to determine the draft order? This is one of the exciting things in this fantasy league hehehe.

In any case, does everyone agree with this qb ranking?

https://www.nfl.com/news/top-10-quarterbacks-entering-the-2023-nfl-season

Joe Burrow is higher than Josh Allen, Dak Presscott lower than Aaron Rodgers? Should Massage Watson be in the list?
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Pool address sent to all via PM.

We didn't really discuss the entry fee, other than making the suggestion that it be 2.5mBTC.  Well, I already submitted my payment, so it's settled: BTC0.0025 is the entry fee.  No rush, but let's try to get the fee paid before draft day.  

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Hueristic - payment received
suchmoon - payment received
wheelz1200 - payment received
nutildah - payment received
yahoo62278 - payment received
bbc.reporter - payment received
South Park - payment received
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The way things were last year certainly didn't hurt Hueristic, he was doing horribly at the start of the season, and made a ton of smart moves despite the random waiver order.

Thanks man, I really spent way too much time on this and think me and Mo were tied with like 60 moves by the end of the season with someone I forget close behind, it was a real battle last year and every minuscule edge you could get was sorely needed. I really was reeling from losing those 4 guys week 1, 2 years straight of massive injuries is enough I deserve an easy year! Cheesy

For you guys that are not used to setting up waivers its kind of like a if then else statement if you program. Set your number 1 pick and then those you want after that but then repeat those same picks with different players you want to drop as you don't want to have your first pick work and then have all the other ones fail because the drop you did is no longer there. Also stacking the order with mutiple guys in differnet order is important if you are trying to make sure you keep a balanced bench by position. Its really easy to get position heavy if you stack your waiver order incorrectly and if a position dries up as usually happens about half way through the season then it can haunt you the rest of the season.

Hope this made some semblance on sense, I'm a little hungover today. Smiley
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Fine, I'll play one more year with you guys  Grin

Woot!  We've got a full crew, and a damn fine bunch we are, even if I do say so myself.


Last night I had a dream that bitcoin pumped to $41k, so I'll send out the pool address today, before that happens.  Not that I think my dreams are likely to come true, but this one has a reasonably good chance.
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I thought this was kind of interesting, even though I haven't played Madden for 5 years or so:



I think its pretty accurate, except I would probably switch the Dolphins with the Chargers. I've always rooted for Tagovailoa but think Herbert is a slightly better QB. Of course it also depends on what kind of weapons they have to help them out. Chargers have Mike Williams and Keenan Allen but Dolphins do have Tyreek Hill who had his best season with the Dolphins last year after 6 seasons with the Chiefs... hmm.

Cowgirls shouldn't even make that list, I agree the Fins need to be higher as well as the chargers, 49ers too, actually 5-7 should be dropped to 8,9 and cowgirls replaced with any number of teams:P

I stopped on Madden when they took out the offline in franchise mode, I think that was in 12.

Me and some friends used to just do the coaching and team management and sit and watch the games without controlling players and it was a blast!




Full?

Yes, we have decided on the deadline being the 13th of august for you to lock up your spot (3 weeks prior to draft day [sept.3]).

I think I can speak for everyone when I say we all enjoyed your company and hope you can manage to stay with us for another year. Smiley

Fine, I'll play one more year with you guys  Grin

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Meh.
Full?

Yes, we have decided on the deadline being the 13th of august for you to lock up your spot (3 weeks prior to draft day [sept.3]).

I think I can speak for everyone when I say we all enjoyed your company and hope you can manage to stay with us for another year. Smiley

Fine, I'll play one more year with you guys  Grin
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I thought this was kind of interesting, even though I haven't played Madden for 5 years or so:



I think its pretty accurate, except I would probably switch the Dolphins with the Chargers. I've always rooted for Tagovailoa but think Herbert is a slightly better QB. Of course it also depends on what kind of weapons they have to help them out. Chargers have Mike Williams and Keenan Allen but Dolphins do have Tyreek Hill who had his best season with the Dolphins last year after 6 seasons with the Chiefs... hmm.
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Full?

Yes, we have decided on the deadline being the 13th of august for you to lock up your spot (3 weeks prior to draft day [sept.3]).

I think I can speak for everyone when I say we all enjoyed your company and hope you can manage to stay with us for another year. Smiley
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Well, this all looks settled to me.  Unless I forgot something, please let me know.

1) Spot lockup deadline: 3 Weeks (7 votes in favor)

2) date of draft day: Sunday, September 3rd (7 participants agree)

3) Accept Yahoo and Seek3r into joining the league? Yes (7 votes in favor)

4) Keep Hueristic as Commish? Yes (7 votes in favor)

5) Keep DireWolfM14 as treasurer? Yes (6 votes in favor)

6) should we go into debating and voting for rule changes before the player list is set and dues are collected?: Yes (7 votes in favor)

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1) Spot lockup deadline: 3 weeks prior to draft day.
Yes:
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
hueristic
bbc.reporter Agreed, but 2 weeks before is also okay.
DireWolfM14
suchmoon
morvillz7z

2) date of draft day
bbc.reporter Sat or Sunday
Hueristic Sat or Sunday
ChiBitCTy Sunday
nutildah sat or sun
DireWolfM14: Friday, Saturday, or Sunday
suchmoon: No preference of day, ~17:00 UTC
morvillz7z: Sunday

3) Accept Yahoo and Seek3r into joining the league?
Yes:
Hueristic
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
bbc.reporter
DireWolfM14
suchmoon
morvillz7z

4) Keep Hueristic as Commish?
Yes:
Hueristic
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
bbc.reporter
DireWolfM14
suchmoon
morvillz7z

5) Keep DireWolfM14 as treasurer?
Yes:
Hueristic
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
bbc.reporter
suchmoon
morvillz7z

6) should we go into debating and voting for rule changes before the player list is set and dues are collected?
Yes:
Hueristic
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
bbc.reporter
DireWolfM14
suchmoon
morvillz7z



Now for something completely different; a man with more questions:

1. For what time do you prefer to schedule the draft?  I vote for ~12:00 UTC and later, or 05:00 UTC and earlier.

2. Get rid of kickers?  NO!

3. Change waiver order to reverse standings?  Yes.*


*This isn't such a big deal to me, really.  I don't mind keeping things the way they are, so consider this a soft vote.  The way things were last year certainly didn't hurt Hueristic, he was doing horribly at the start of the season, and made a ton of smart moves despite the random waiver order.

I just think that "reverse standings" could help keep the league more competitive, and it's worth trying for a year.



I think it's fair to allow yahoo62278 and seek3r to vote on the above questions.

Thanks for doing the update.

1) Draft time I think we used EST last year and no-one had issues with that so I'd say we stay with it so there are no mistakes.  I have no issue with 2-8pm EDT so if everyone states there range and preferences of which mine would be 7pm then i'm sure we can hit a happy median for everyone and I think we used 7pm last year.

2) Kickers , I'm ambivalent on this but if we changed kickers to flex we would have a serious issue with lack of choices on the waiver wire.

3) We have 3 choice and used continual rolling list last year.
a) Continual Rolling List
b) Reverse Order of Standings
c) Weekly Rolling List Based on Standings :My vote

OK I've thought alot about this recently we currently have Continual rolling which is probably the most advantageous to those who had a good draft as they can save up their waiver for when they really want a guy and their priority will be increasing every week they don't use it as those that use it drop to the bottom and it DOES NOT reset every week.

For a more friendly league a reverse order of standings gives the last place team the first priority and is RESET every week and this allows losing teams a chance to build a team from the wire thereby making them more competitive and less likely to give up and quit as no-one likes being stuck with guys that are under performing with no hope of getting good replacements. Now the only issue I see with this is if you build a good team and half way through the season your top guy hits IR then you may not be able to get a decent replacement until you lose so many weeks your no longer in contention. So I have been thinking maybe we can have a Hybrid waiver order where at the beginning of the season we allow the reverse order every week until say week 6 and then switch to continual rolling for the remaining weeks which should help everyone out similarly if I understand everything correctly.

Also I prefer "Weekly Rolling List Based on Standings waiver priority" which is the same as "Reverse Order of Standings" except you drop to the bottom when you use your waiver which is only fair.



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Yahoo's description of waiver types:

    
[b]About Continual Rolling List waiver priority[/b]

    Managers are ranked from high to low to determine who wins a waiver claim.
    The initial priority rank is determined by the league's draft:
        Live and Autopick Drafts - The last draft position gets 1st rank.
        Offline Drafts - The last to register gets 1st rank.
    Every time a manager's claim is successful, they drop to the bottom of the priority list.
    The priority list is never reset.

[b]About Reverse Order of Standings waiver priority[/b]

    Managers are ranked from high to low to determine who wins a waiver claim.
    The initial priority rank is determined by the league's draft:
        Live and Autopick Drafts - The last draft position gets 1st rank.
        Offline Drafts - The last to register gets 1st rank.
    After each Game Week in the regular season, the waiver priority list is reset:
        The new rank is determined by the reverse order of the current league standings (the manager with the lowest league standing gets 1st rank).
        When playoffs begin, the waiver priority list stops resetting.
    Ranks are not affected by:
        Successful waiver claims.
        Stat corrections that affect the league standings after the current week's rank has been determined.

[b]About Weekly Rolling List Based on Standings waiver priority[/b]

This priority [b]is the same as the "Reverse Order of Standings" waiver priority[/b], except that when a manager's claim is successful, that manager drops to the bottom of the priority list.



I am Sending Yahoo and S33k3r invite links to join right now.

Also I think everyone agreed on the .0025btc fee staying the same so we can get our dues in to DW when he provides an addy.
Also I prefer to use Monero is its OK with DW.



Yes. I vote for no rule changes though Smiley

You ol stick in the mud! Cheesy


Yes. I vote for no rule changes though Smiley

Me as well... I'm a fan of consistency.

U2!



So today was the pre-preseason game, Jets vs. Browns. I only watched the recap but I noticed that Greg Zuerlein put the first six points on the board... See? Kickers are important!

Not totally surprising that Rogers sat on the sidelines for the whole game. Will be interesting to see how he does this year. And I never thought I'd say this, but I missed Chris Collinsworth's voice.

Next games are on the 10th: Texans vs. Pats and Vikings vs. Seahawks


Yeah it was a snoozer, but was cool to hear collinsworth, I've been watching redzone so much last few years I almost forgot what the regular announcers sound like.


League rules don't need much changing, my only issue is with the waiver order. I believe that the default setting "reverse standing" is a better option since "continual rolling" can be in a way exploited, with higher seeds receiving top priority as long as they play the waiver passively. Reverse standing will also improve league competitiveness by providing a much-needed boost to teams with bad records mid-through the season.

Agreed but rolling can also be exploited if your devious enough to tank your fisrt few weeks.

Thats why I recommended Weekly Rolling List Based on Standings.


However, the rule change on waivers, will it make it easier for not very good fantasy players like me? I would have to agree to that change if yes hehehehehe.

You made some great moves last year!

I for one thought you were insane when You picked CMC over J.Taylor!

Well guess I ate some crow on that one! Smiley

Also you were leading for what the first half of the season and the only reason you didn't win imo was your bench depth.

You came in 3rd I think and for a second year player against the quality of players in this league I'd say that was a massive accomplishment!



I could argue that someone not "playing the waivers" is using less of it up, so they are more deserving of getting that next spot in the order.  Why should someone be rewarded for playing poorly? They could be picking up and dropping players like crazy AND get preferential treatment on the waiver wire...I'm not a fan of this personally.  



Its such a tough balance to keep a league competitive and also fun, this is why I have been thinking a hybrid approach may be best for all players.
Yes. I vote for no rule changes though Smiley

You ol stick in the mud! Cheesy


Yes. I vote for no rule changes though Smiley

Me as well... I'm a fan of consistency.

U2!



So today was the pre-preseason game, Jets vs. Browns. I only watched the recap but I noticed that Greg Zuerlein put the first six points on the board... See? Kickers are important!

Not totally surprising that Rogers sat on the sidelines for the whole game. Will be interesting to see how he does this year. And I never thought I'd say this, but I missed Chris Collinsworth's voice.

Next games are on the 10th: Texans vs. Pats and Vikings vs. Seahawks


Yeah it was a snoozer, but was cool to hear collinsworth, I've been watching redzone so much last few years I almost forgot what the regular announcers sound like.


League rules don't need much changing, my only issue is with the waiver order. I believe that the default setting "reverse standing" is a better option since "continual rolling" can be in a way exploited, with higher seeds receiving top priority as long as they play the waiver passively. Reverse standing will also improve league competitiveness by providing a much-needed boost to teams with bad records mid-through the season.

Agreed but rolling can also be exploited if your devious enough to tank your fisrt few weeks.

Thats why I recommended Weekly Rolling List Based on Standings.


However, the rule change on waivers, will it make it easier for not very good fantasy players like me? I would have to agree to that change if yes hehehehehe.

You made some great moves last year!

I for one thought you were insane when You picked CMC over J.Taylor!

Well guess I ate some crow on that one! Smiley

Also you were leading for what the first half of the season and the only reason you didn't win imo was your bench depth.

You came in 3rd I think and for a second year player against the quality of players in this league I'd say that was a massive accomplishment!



I could argue that someone not "playing the waivers" is using less of it up, so they are more deserving of getting that next spot in the order.  Why should someone be rewarded for playing poorly? They could be picking up and dropping players like crazy AND get preferential treatment on the waiver wire...I'm not a fan of this personally.  



Its such a tough balance to keep a league competitive and also fun, this is why I have been thinking a hybrid approach may be best for all players.


^Holy shit I made a JJG post!
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I'm good with what the rest of the league is good with.  In terms of kickers I do prefer to keep kickers in the league, I've won and lost by what the kicker has done.  Played right they can help you.  I put defense in the same category, not high up in terms of importance but can swing a game.  Either way I'm excited for football (and fantasy) back!
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Now for something completely different; a man with more questions

1. For what time do you prefer to schedule the draft?  I've no preference, any time is good.

2. Get rid of kickers?  I guess we are not there yet but YES!

3. Change waiver order to reverse standings?  Yes.
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Well, this all looks settled to me.  Unless I forgot something, please let me know.

1) Spot lockup deadline: 3 Weeks (7 votes in favor)

2) date of draft day: Sunday, September 3rd (7 participants agree)

3) Accept Yahoo and Seek3r into joining the league? Yes (7 votes in favor)

4) Keep Hueristic as Commish? Yes (7 votes in favor)

5) Keep DireWolfM14 as treasurer? Yes (6 votes in favor)

6) should we go into debating and voting for rule changes before the player list is set and dues are collected?: Yes (7 votes in favor)

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1) Spot lockup deadline: 3 weeks prior to draft day.
Yes:
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
hueristic
bbc.reporter Agreed, but 2 weeks before is also okay.
DireWolfM14
suchmoon
morvillz7z

2) date of draft day
bbc.reporter Sat or Sunday
Hueristic Sat or Sunday
ChiBitCTy Sunday
nutildah sat or sun
DireWolfM14: Friday, Saturday, or Sunday
suchmoon: No preference of day, ~17:00 UTC
morvillz7z: Sunday

3) Accept Yahoo and Seek3r into joining the league?
Yes:
Hueristic
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
bbc.reporter
DireWolfM14
suchmoon
morvillz7z

4) Keep Hueristic as Commish?
Yes:
Hueristic
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
bbc.reporter
DireWolfM14
suchmoon
morvillz7z

5) Keep DireWolfM14 as treasurer?
Yes:
Hueristic
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
bbc.reporter
suchmoon
morvillz7z

6) should we go into debating and voting for rule changes before the player list is set and dues are collected?
Yes:
Hueristic
ChiBitCTy
nutildah
bbc.reporter
DireWolfM14
suchmoon
morvillz7z



Now for something completely different; a man with more questions:

1. For what time do you prefer to schedule the draft?  I vote for ~12:00 UTC and later, or 05:00 UTC and earlier.

2. Get rid of kickers?  NO!

3. Change waiver order to reverse standings?  Yes.*


*This isn't such a big deal to me, really.  I don't mind keeping things the way they are, so consider this a soft vote.  The way things were last year certainly didn't hurt Hueristic, he was doing horribly at the start of the season, and made a ton of smart moves despite the random waiver order.

I just think that "reverse standings" could help keep the league more competitive, and it's worth trying for a year.



I think it's fair to allow yahoo62278 and seek3r to vote on the above questions.
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6) should we go into debating and voting for rule changes before the player list is set and dues are collected?

Yes. I vote for no rule changes though Smiley

I am open to some discussion on small changes, but it is difficult to argue against someone who wants no rule changes. We never had a bad season since @DireWolfM14, @Hueristic, @nutildah and the others created this fantasy league.

However, the rule change on waivers, will it make it easier for not very good fantasy players like me? I would have to agree to that change if yes hehehehehe.
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