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October 26, 2016, 02:30:56 PM
#33
The reviews for this movie are abysmal...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5910814/reviews?ref_=tt_urv

Quote from: 1 star - More "God In The Gaps" Hogwash
Should be called "God In The Gaps: The Movie." It's that same old, tired argument we've been seeing for over 100 years, "We don't know the answer, so God must have done it." There's no "gotcha" moment, there's no irrefutable logic, and there is certainly not "one scientific question" that "destroys atheism" as the movie's tag line would suggest. It's just more of the same stuff we've seen from Roy Comfort: badly edited interviews, pointless questions, and conclusions based on one single book.

If your goal is either laugh at the stupidity of it all, or to whip yourself up into a logical frenzy, by all means see this movie, otherwise avoid it at all costs.

Quote from: 1 star - Standard Ray Comfort movie. At least this one has nice stock footage.
"The Atheist Delusion" is your standard Ray Comfort street interviews. This time his argument is one we've heard before, about creation needing a creator. Because a book couldn't make itself, DNA couldn't make itself, therefore, God, and specifically, the god of the Bible, did it. Atheists, we are told (and this we've also heard before) know that there is a god but deny it because they like fornication and pornography.

"The Atheist Delusion" is a full hour of the same old creationist arguments, street interviews and eventually Comfort's old "Are you a good person?" routine. It offers nothing we haven't seen or heard dozens of times before. On the plus side, it does have lots of beautiful stock footage of animals and nature.

Quote from: 1 star - Intellectually dishonest and fails to achieve its bold claim.
Ray and his contemporaries have a problem and it's not that they don't like atheists, it's that they simply cannot accept what Atheism is. Atheism is, quite simply, the rejection of the claim that a God or Gods exist, nothing more than that. Ray, however, thinks that Atheism is also a "belief" in evolution, that it has its own belief system, its own dogma, its own values and morality (or lack of, in his opinion) and therefore, as he intentionally presents Atheism as something it's not and never has been, the idea that he can "disprove" it with one question is both absurd and deliberately misleading. How exactly does one disprove the rejection of a claim? One cannot. If, however, one presents the view Ray's trying to disprove, dishonestly, endowing it with characteristics and values it does not have, one can set about trying to discredit and may apparently (subjectively) succeed but the conclusion as a result of this process is only going to be dishonest, and that's exactly what this film is...
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October 26, 2016, 01:49:28 PM
#32
All atheists are realists. They only believe actual facts, and the believers fly in the clouds and believe in fairy tales. No one has seen God then it is not.

Most atheists believe in the Big Bang. Since the Big Bang is not known to have existed, atheists don't know that they ahve only believed things that are factual.

Further, since God has been proven to exist through science fact, atheists don't believe the most important fact.

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October 26, 2016, 01:12:58 PM
#31
All atheists are realists. They only believe actual facts, and the believers fly in the clouds and believe in fairy tales. No one has seen God then it is not.
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October 26, 2016, 12:14:54 PM
#30
Why do you bother to prove it to the atheists? They clearly don't give a fck about god or religion. Live your religion in your own and please do not spread it to more people. We don't need it. Thank you.

Why? Because.

God can make human bodies right and left. But because of what is in the human soul, he can't recreate a human soul. Jesus, the Son of God, died a painful death, and then arose from the grave to save human souls. God cares about people. We should, as well. That's why Christians attempt to convert atheists. An atheist is worth it, but will be destroyed without it. Some atheists actually convert, so it is worth trying.

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Religion and the Bible - it's just a made-up stories. And this is done in order to keep people in fear control them. It has long been proven that not Jesus performed miracles that instead crucified on the cross of Simon, that he had a wife ... I do not need to impose their views. Everyone chooses what to believe him

If you applied the methods that you use to make what you call proof, to proving the Bible, you would become a great fighter for Christ.

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October 26, 2016, 11:55:42 AM
#29
Why do you bother to prove it to the atheists? They clearly don't give a fck about god or religion. Live your religion in your own and please do not spread it to more people. We don't need it. Thank you.

Why? Because.

God can make human bodies right and left. But because of what is in the human soul, he can't recreate a human soul. Jesus, the Son of God, died a painful death, and then arose from the grave to save human souls. God cares about people. We should, as well. That's why Christians attempt to convert atheists. An atheist is worth it, but will be destroyed without it. Some atheists actually convert, so it is worth trying.

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Religion and the Bible - it's just a made-up stories. And this is done in order to keep people in fear control them. It has long been proven that not Jesus performed miracles that instead crucified on the cross of Simon, that he had a wife ... I do not need to impose their views. Everyone chooses what to believe him
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October 26, 2016, 11:18:40 AM
#28
When you look into it, you will find that the Bible, the God of the Bible, the nation of Israel, and everything connected to Bible prophesy, are all way more accurate and proven by science than than the standard science theory of today.

Get into the Bible and see what it says. Why? Because if you don't, you are missing out on the truth that is way stronger than modern science.

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You haven't looked into it in depth, or you are an enemy of everything that is good and right.

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October 26, 2016, 11:16:53 AM
#27

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Complete exposure to the Bible shows that none of the derogatory statements about the Bible is true. The Bible has one major purpose... to save people from death for eternal life.

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October 26, 2016, 11:14:41 AM
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Why do you bother to prove it to the atheists? They clearly don't give a fck about god or religion. Live your religion in your own and please do not spread it to more people. We don't need it. Thank you.

Why? Because.

God can make human bodies right and left. But because of what is in the human soul, he can't recreate a human soul. Jesus, the Son of God, died a painful death, and then arose from the grave to save human souls. God cares about people. We should, as well. That's why Christians attempt to convert atheists. An atheist is worth it, but will be destroyed without it. Some atheists actually convert, so it is worth trying.

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October 26, 2016, 11:09:47 AM
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What does the Bible say about dinosaurs?

There are many running theories about whether dinosaurs are in the Bible. A general understanding of the most popular range from:

   1) Dinosaurs are merely made up to support the theory of evolution.
   2) Dinosaurs were animals that had become corrupted, weren't taken into the ark, and died in the flood.
   3) Dinosaurs were created by God, possibly even taken onto the ark, but died thereafter.



1) If dinosaurs are made up explain fossils and frozen examples.

2) How does an animal become corrupted, was there some man on Tyrannosaurus Rex action going on  Cheesy Cheesy

3) How big was this ark to fit all these animals weighing up to 80 tonnes & 16m X 26M a piece?  

If someone filed a defense with as many holes in it as the bible they would be spending a long time in jail



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Mark 16:18 
"They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

There is no qualification put on having these powerful abilities. Mark 16:17 clearly states, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; . . ." According to this Bible promise, anyone who believes in the Gospels and Jesus will be able to, among other things, ". . . drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."!


So until you post a live stream of you downing a big glass of something really poisonous your just a pretend Christian Wink



Dinosaurs were made in the cretion a little over 6,000 years ago.

They live alongside mankind of that time.

They were taken into the ark during the flood. Check the size of the ark. There is room.

Limited faith in people doesn't allow them to do the things suggested in Mark. In addition, God doesn't want people testing Him except when He directly invites it. Many peoples have successfully done miracles in Jesus name, even in modern times.

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October 26, 2016, 11:04:39 AM
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Instead of using only science which currently says the big bang caused things to form without knowing what was before the big bang religion says everything is how it is because of X reason/person who operate on a higher level of being to us.

There is no "before the big bang" because there was still no "time"... infact time, as we know it, has started as soon as the universe expanded from the singularity.
Space and time are strictly bond together, so we're talking about spacetime (time is the 4th dimension of space). Indeed, if there is no space there is no time either. This is science ladies! Wink

Bigotry tends to substitute brains with "sacred books", and such bigots believe blindly in something written on a book centuries ago, when there was no "science" to prove natural events like earthquakes, eclipses and many other unexplained things.

Anyway, if they want to believe in fairy tales, well... I don't give a damn fuck about it!

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You are right about time. You are wrong about science not existing in ancient times. Consider the Great Pyramid and other pyramids of Egypt. Consider Gobekli Tepe in turkey. You don't put things like these together without science. And Gobekli Tepe is proving to be something like 9,000 to 11,000 years old if you want to believe carbon dating. Standard anthropology and archaeology say that people were just beginning to get into agriculture back then. You can see how standard science is being proven way wrong.

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October 26, 2016, 10:58:01 AM
#23
Jesus died on the cross in the story book as a means to bring other men under control of the church.

This the led to massive wealth and power of those men at the head of said church until this very day.

"Why would we lie?" says the man sitting in the golden throne situated in the luxury palace guarded by his private army with an estimated wealth of $15 billion.





I think what you fail to realise that religion is nothing more than a business, one that never has to prove its product as you dont get to sample it until after your dead.  Whoever came up with the original idea was quite the businessman  Grin


I wonder if telling lies about your age is classed as a deadly sin?   Grin Grin

I'm 49 and I voted out


My age is 41.


True Christianity is in the business of saving people for everlasting life in Heaven. Just because some religions mislead people doesn't detract from the real reason for true Christianity.

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October 26, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
#22
Could you please educate me on the correct context then please?

Most religious folk always like to state we are just interpreting the text incorrectly when we point out yet another shocking statement in their chosen holy text.

So do you think Jesus is planning to pop down any time soon, preferably pre WWIII to save a few hundred million innocent women & children?

Is a thousand years a long time? In the scheme of the atheistic science view of Big Bang, is 10,000 years a long time?

You might live to over 100. But if you do, it probably won't me much over 100. When Jesus returns, even if it isn't for another 100,000 years, it will be SOON for you. Why? Because once you are dead, the next thing you will see is Jesus calling you out of the grave, back to life, in the resurrection.

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October 26, 2016, 10:51:18 AM
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Firstly no film "proves" God's existence, no proof exists at all.


God is almost proven to exist by the simple fact of cause and effect. Adding the facts of complex universe, and universal entropy, proves God. Nature and everything regarding the Bible enhance the proof. In fact, the only reason why people believe that God doesn't exist is that they have trained themselves to be that way. When you look at all the religions listed here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16690054, you will see that people are naturally aware of God, and that they have to train themselves to be atheistic.

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October 26, 2016, 10:49:58 AM
#20
When you look into it, you will find that the Bible, the God of the Bible, the nation of Israel, and everything connected to Bible prophesy, are all way more accurate and proven by science than than the standard science theory of today.

Get into the Bible and see what it says. Why? Because if you don't, you are missing out on the truth that is way stronger than modern science.

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October 26, 2016, 10:45:10 AM
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p.s. the video the OP posted is same old religious shit, there is a section on hell where we suffer for all time without parole as he puts it. 

He states if someone killed your mother wouldn't you want them punished?

My answer is yes I would, would I want that person to suffer for all eternity?  No probably not, does this mean I am more compassionate than his all powerful and forgiving God? 

When you look into it, you will find that the Bible, the God of the Bible, the nation of Israel, and everything connected to Bible prophesy, are all way more accurate and proven by science than than the standard science theory of today.

Get into the Bible and see what it says. Why? Because if you don't, you are missing out on the truth that is way stronger than modern science.

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October 26, 2016, 10:40:39 AM
#18
First of all apologies if I offend anyone with my views, it is not my intent.

I personally believe religion is one of the best "Arguments" (Excuses is a better word) for the universe being. Instead of using only science which currently says the big bang caused things to form without knowing what was before the big bang religion says everything is how it is because of X reason/person who operate on a higher level of being to us.
That being said I believe there is definitely things that humans aren't on a level to understand, think unexplained coincidences or senses that plants have and humans don't, in saying this I don't believe in any god, just that there is 'more' to the universe.

Science doesn't say Big Bang caused the universe. Some scientists and the media say that. They use science theory, not science fact. Science fact says God created the universe. How does science say this?

Cause and effect is science fact, upheld by Newton's 3rd Law, which has only been slightly weakened by science theory, which is not known to be fact. Cause and effect say that there has to be a Great First Cause. Because there is intelligence in the universe, the Great First Cause must have been intelligent. (The fact that cause and effect works in EVERYTHING shows the the Great First Cause is intelligent and powerful way beyond understanding.)

There can be no such thing as "before" the Big Bang because time did not exist as we know it before the Big Bang, or even during it. In the same way, we cannot really say "before" the creation, because whatever is outside of the universe doesn't necessarily behave according to the laws of the universe; we know very little about the laws of the universe.

Don't get me wrong. I agree that you are going in the right direction. I am just expanding on what you have said.

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October 26, 2016, 10:29:27 AM
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October 26, 2016, 07:09:13 AM
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October 26, 2016, 07:01:48 AM
#15
Why do you bother to prove it to the atheists? They clearly don't give a fck about god or religion. Live your religion in your own and please do not spread it to more people. We don't need it. Thank you.
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October 26, 2016, 06:53:14 AM
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What does the Bible say about dinosaurs?

There are many running theories about whether dinosaurs are in the Bible. A general understanding of the most popular range from:

   1) Dinosaurs are merely made up to support the theory of evolution.
   2) Dinosaurs were animals that had become corrupted, weren't taken into the ark, and died in the flood.
   3) Dinosaurs were created by God, possibly even taken onto the ark, but died thereafter.



1) If dinosaurs are made up explain fossils and frozen examples.

2) How does an animal become corrupted, was there some man on Tyrannosaurus Rex action going on  Cheesy Cheesy

3) How big was this ark to fit all these animals weighing up to 80 tonnes & 16m X 26M a piece?  

If someone filed a defense with as many holes in it as the bible they would be spending a long time in jail



Quote
   
Mark 16:18 
"They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

There is no qualification put on having these powerful abilities. Mark 16:17 clearly states, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; . . ." According to this Bible promise, anyone who believes in the Gospels and Jesus will be able to, among other things, ". . . drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."!


So until you post a live stream of you downing a big glass of something really poisonous your just a pretend Christian Wink

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