Topic: The KRAKEN rises, meaning the 2020 election fraud is being corrected. - page 8. (Read 7167 times)

One of the reason people lose in court cases like these is, they actually did harm to a man or woman, or they damaged property. In that case the indictment is usually in claim form rather than complaint form.

A big reason why sovereign citizens lose is that the term 'sovereign citizen' is contradictory in itself, on its face. If one is a sovereign, he can't be a citizen, because citizens belong to governments, as property (at least to some extent), and aren't sovereign. Somebody using that term has lost by their own ignorance.

The point is that, properly used, sovereignty absolutely DOES win in the courts when there is no harm or damage. But most of the time, the case is dismissed before it can be adjudicated. And that is why you would have a difficult time finding one of these cases.

The judges aren't stupid. They know when a case is going in the direction of a win for a sovereign. They shut it down through dismissal, often to the amazement of the prosecuting attorney... who thinks he is on the verge of a big win.

Your talk against sovereign citizens is not where my talk was going at all. You would do well to learn sovereign things and the clever ways that attorneys and judges try to get someone to contradict themselves, like with using the sovereign citizen term.

Something like being a sovereign citizen is something I had never read or heard before, until the unfortunate Christmas parade in the United States, I believe it was two years ago. When a man used his car against a group of people during a parade in November.

He got arrested and his trial was televised, during his trial he declared himself to be a sovereign citizen/person, and hence the trial was illegitimate, because he ruled over himself and the United States did not (or something like that).

When I heard that I looked up for that exact Wikipedia article. It is beyond stupid someone would try to use that as a legal defense, because obviously if you live in a society with other people, your actions can affect others, so your wrongdoing must be held upon account. Also, given the poor precedent that defense has, why use it anyway?

To truly appreciate what BADecker is saying here, I recommend people go down the Sovereign Citizen (SovCit) rabbit hole.  There's some really incredible stuff and tons of videos out there of people actually attempting the things he likes to advocate for in real life and failing spectacularly.  

Wikipedia does a good job explaining what SovCit is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement


And here's a few videos to get you started (I think that might actually be BADecker in the first one.  At least that's exactly how I imagined him even before seeing the video):


Defiant Sovereign Citizen Gets Owned By Police
https://youtu.be/NYfdTazjybk?t=26


Top 5 Sovereign Citizen FAILS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKQNXY-9wD8


SovCit Karen gets pulled over:
https://youtu.be/BgEx4JZ5svA?t=175


There's also a decently active subreddit that's a good follow: https://www.reddit.com/r/Sovereigncitizen/

This brings up a most important question. The question: "How many persons are you?"

The 4th Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Wait a minute. The word "persons" is plural. How many people are you? Oh, that's right. Persons are the contracts and agreements you make and have signed with your mark or signature. You have and keep copies in your house - which is not necessarily a residence, BTW. It's these copies with your signature on them that are your persons.

So, let's examine the indictment against you. It has your name and address on it, and possibly other information that identifies you. What is the one important thing that it doesn't have? It doesn't have your signature on it. Why not? Because it isn't one of your persons. Rather, it's a made-up person, that simply looks like it is one of your persons.

Somebody sneaked into your property, and fraudulently made up a 'person' that looks like it is one of your persons, and tried to claim that it referred to you. They unlawfully 'searched' your property and tried to trick you into accepting that their fictional person is one of your persons, or better (if they can get away with it), that their person IS you, and not just a person belonging to you.

"Acceptance" is a legal term. You do not have to accept their person in any way. Furthermore, since they came onto your property and messed with your persons - as evidenced by the identification information on their indictment - you have a right to sue these perpetrators for breaching their Oath of Office against you (not upholding the Constitution 4th Amendment as they swore to do)... or any other trespass that they have done to you by improperly using your persons without permission from you (your signature does not appear on their indictment accepting it as one of your persons).

But, you don't have to sue them if you don't want. And you are certainly able to accept the indictment, thereby accepting that the person on the indictment is one of your persons. And you can also lie, and say that the indictment person IS you (It isn't. It's simply ink on paper.). They aren't going to charge you with lying or with inappropriate acceptance. That's what they want you to do, lie or accept. Why? Because they are more corrupt than you could ever think of being.

Note that the above was the way things were in America 200 years ago. Over the decades, people have forgotten the difference between 'persons' and 'people'. And that's what the attorneys and judges wanted all along, so that they can rule you as a master rules a slave. One of the greatest promoters of the ignorance of common people was the TV program "Perry Mason."

Actually we have a criminal justice system. 

If you break law (and get caught), you could be arrested and charged with a crime.

If you're found guilty at a trial, you could be sentenced to prison.

That means you aren't free anymore.

Thanks or showing me that you are trapped inside a government cult in your country, and maybe don't even know it.

Free fuel and free travel is a mistaken notion. It's a lie. Somebody works to get the fuel out of the ground and refine it. They get paid to do it. Where does the money come from? If government pays for it, they pay for it by taxing the people... except in the rare case where there is an abundance of raw material that government can sell to other nations for big bucks, and then give the money to the people.

Some countries have as high as 90% taxes. Government uses this to pay for almost everything for the people. If the government is honest, this is a good deal. But most of the time, government people figure out ways to 'steal' some of the money for themselves so they can live life in luxury.

The idea in America is to keep government out of the money pockets of people as much as possible. The main taxation, IRS, is voluntary. The government is set up in a way that the people can sue IRS agents personally if they mess with people who don't want to pay taxes. It isn't government's fault that most of the people don't know how to do it.

montaga, a fellow forum member, shows us a guy who knows what is going on, and uses it. His name is Mark Passio. You can find a couple of his videos located in my post here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62955475. But better in some ways is this - 2023-10-11 -- Ernest Hancock interview Mark Passio on Two Masks, Same Face - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Media/352015-2023-10-10-2023-10-11-ernest-hancock-interview-mark-passio-on-two.htm.

The point of the videos is that we the people are free from essentially everything that government does. At the same time, we are free to participate in government laws and policies to the extent that we want. And we are free to change our mind on our previous decisions any time we want.

I mostly use the word "cult" to refer to political extremism or extreme ideology, I do not mean to say there is an actual cult (yet) goig on in the United States.

I agree with your definition of freedom, but the example of the gas prices to justify a dictatorship regime does not make much sense to me. Here in my country, not long ago, gas and fuel used to be free. People was able to travel to anywhere they wanted within our territory. Did that mean we were living in democracy and in the freest country?

No. We were governed (and continue to be governed) by bad people who have further cut our rights and will to be a peaceful and fulfilling life, we do not have full speech freedom anymore.
So it would be better if you came up with another kind of example of you even want to talk about freedom.

Not being in the US, odds are that you won't be trapped into the Biden cult directly. But it sounds like you are trapped in its counterpart in your country already.

What do you folks have against the 'freedom' 'cult'? Biden and the Dems are using their freedom to enslave you... and anybody they can get away with enslaving. That's not freedom. That's a form of Dictatorship. True freedom is freedom to have all the freedom you want as long as it doesn't take away from the freedom of anyone else. What they are doing is taking away my freedom to travel. Look at the price of gasoline they have caused.

Even though I respect your personal opinion on some groups of people which many let their opinions to be known on the internet. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate the number of extremism who currently live in the United States, not only from the right side of the spectrum, but both.

I have got the impression the media has taken the mission to further radicalize people in that country and strech their view further to the extremes, maybe in the past our lil friend here in this board was a quite reasonable conservative person, and like him, many has fallen into the trap of propaganda and disinformation.

It could happen to anyone of us, to be honest. We are not supposed to imply he lacks of intelligence, even clever people end up trapped into cults...

Thankfully, I'm confident that the deluded folks in Qanon BADeckerland are the minority, albeit they are extremely noisy on the interwebs, (especially on forums like this one) giving the appearance that these uneducated deluded idiots are more common than they really are. They live in a reality bubble getting all their news from Newsmax, Fox News and various disinformation websites that supports their narrative, and tells them everything they want to hear. My godswiller bible thumping Bud, BADecker laps it up, eats out of their hand and regurgitates all their nonsense on this forum. I'm not sure if he is just a paid troll, or seriously demented or both. Probably the latter.
He loves to hang out on this board and create ridiculous threads full of complete debunked rubbish, that's for sure. But then again, what do you expect from a bible thumping evolution denying moron.
For whatever reason these right wingnuts feel a need to broadcast their deluded beliefs to the world, like flying ridiculous flapping giant flags out of the back of pick up trucks or some such silly thing.
I'm a middle of the road type and I don't feel the need to spout my politics in public except here, because well this is where the Badeckerland crazies hangout and I love to push their buttons.

I do not live in the United States, I do not vote there but I have read much of politics going on there, etc. And I must say, that the simple fact there could be people who may be trying to support "good authoritarism" instead "bad authoritarism" sounds like something out of a banana republic where leaders and dictators try to justify their own wrong doing.

It reminds me when politicians here started to talk about "good despotism", which allegedly helped to keep the state strong and help towards a smoothly transition from capitalism towards Utopic socialism. Obviously, nothing of it happened. What is next? Talking about "good terrorism" against "bad terrorism". This is getting quite disturbing...

You are looking at it backwards or from a skewed viewpoint. Somebody simply put to words what Trump has been doing all along. Trumps authoritarian plans can be summed up by simply saying... Trump's authoritarian plans are to make America the economic authority in the world. It's called MAGA. It's what he has been doing all along.

Dems and the Elite, who are trying to take over the world, have been DOING their authoritarian plans long before Biden got in. And all it has been doing is to make America weak. They should wear blue hats with MAW written across them... Make America Weak, just to show where they really stand.

Sure, it will disrupt the money making schemes of the Elite who want to rape America for all they can get, and take over the world to boot. But it's time that those jokers were taken out of power so that Americans can have a strong nation again.

So, it's UP with Trump's good authoritarianism which will take down the Dems' bad authoritarianism. That's the way it should be.

And thanks for helping to bring things like this out into the open.

'Part of the authoritarian playbook': Trump’s courthouse rant slammed by fascism scholars

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/part-of-the-authoritarian-playbook-trump-s-courthouse-rant-slammed-by-fascism-scholars/ar-AA1hAgl0
Trump told reporters Monday the New York fraud case “is a continuation of the single greatest witch hunt of all time.” He described Justice Arthur Engoron as a “rogue judge” and Attorney General James as a “racist attorney general” and a “horror show,” and the case against him “a scam” and “a sham.”
Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a New York University professor of history and Italian studies, responded to Trump’s remarks, saying “the witch hunt/victimhood rhetoric is part of the authoritarian playbook and was/is used by the following corrupt leaders: Mussolini, Hitler, Berlusconi, Erdogan. If extended to the whole country being victimized, add Putin, Xi, and more.”



Donald Trump Isn’t Even Trying to Hide His Authoritarian Plans for a Second Term
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The news media is destroying Trump. The courts are destroying Trump. World governments are destroying Trump. But the people of the USA know that it is Trump who will be Making America Great Again. What is to be seen is how far the people will go with allowing their favorite to be messed with like the Dems are doing. Election fraud is going to backfire on the Dems.


Mainstream media DISMAYED by poll result showing Trump leading Biden by 9 points in hypothetical head-to-head matchup

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-10-05-msm-dismayed-by-poll-trump-leading-biden.html
The mainstream media couldn't hide its dismay over the result of a recent poll conducted by two of its own.

The ABC News and Washington Post (WaPo) surveyed Americans about their views on the current state of the nation. In a hypothetical head-to-head matchup, former President Donald Trump leads incumbent President Joe Biden by nine percentage points. About 51 percent of respondents support Trump, while 42 percent support Biden. (Related: NOTHING NEW HERE: Poll shows 52% of Americans DISAPPROVE of Biden.)

NBC political analyst Steve Kornacki and his co-moderator Kristin Welker were clearly disappointed by the result.

"You know this from talking to Republican critics of Trump from rival campaigns, everything you just explained they thought would take him down a peg this summer and instead he has only moved up here. You can see the number saying the party needs a new leader has gone down. So for Donald Trump there, [is] nothing but good news," Kornacki commented.

But before Kornacki could even finish his thought, Welker blurted out "Oof" to show her apparent disgust over Trump's sustained popularity among Republican voters.

ABC News Political Director Rick Klein and Chief Global Affairs Correspondent Martha Raddatz shared the same sentiment, ditto with the network's panelists on "The View," including Whoopi Goldberg, Alyssa Farah Griffin, Sunny Hostin and Ana Navarro.

Navarro even accused everyone who participated in the poll of being high on drugs just because she couldn't stand the result. "I don't know what happened with this ABC poll. I don't know if the people asking the questions were high or the people answering the questions were high, but somebody had to have been on edibles or something else because this poll is off the charts," Navarro commented.

ABC/WaPo poll reveals all sorts of troubling statistics for Biden
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Ahh yes.  And then Trump would be as successful as Kari Lake...

It seems that McCarthy has been kicked out his position as speaker of the house of representatives in the United States.

Makes me wonder how this will affect the power balance and behavior of the Republican Party, even though I do not like most of his political standings, I must admit there was some credit about him trying to dance at the rymth of the MAGA faction and also at the rymth of the moderate wing of the party. Sadly to him, he did not end up being the unificating entity he intended to be.

If the speakership is now in hands of the MAGA faction, then lawmakers may feel pressured to move forward to the extrem of their political spectrum so they will have a chance to get re-elected.

It is the reason why Republicans still stand a chance of getting elected in the US. That along the rule that says that all state votes go to the same candidate (not everywhere tough). It is also one side reason why the president of US may not be the most voted in terms of number of people, and it happens.

Gerrymandering is a historical name, but basically is about drawing the circumscription lines to favour a group. For example "Paxmao County" has 500 people who like redhaired women and 100 who like blue haired women. Now, you can divide it in 6 zones so that they will elect 6 women to represent. If everything is fair, you will get 5 redhairs and 1 bluehaired lady.

Gerrymandering is dividing the territory so that, for example, most of the red-haired are in the same territory that only elects one representative, while the other 5 territories are drawn so that there is a sufficient blue-hair majority. Thus, there will be 1 red and 5 blues, despite that not being the majority's choice.

Historically, this comes from Elbridge Gerry:
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What about a week's ban for BA? You know, so that they don't do it again? And if the forum is nicer, has less silly stuff and people like it more... we could try with a yearly ban?

Trump people are shrewd. They have found one of their co-defendants who is going to save himself by turning State's witness. At least that's what the State thinks. But it will backfire on them, because all that Trump was trying to do was to get the actual numbers.

If Trump is only smart enough to put into play some of the strategies of Kari Lake's team, he will be able to not only get the vote numbers out of this trial, but he will be able to get voter signature match info, and mailed ballot info, as well... plus other things. But if he doesn't get this stuff because the State shows it is is trying to hide it, he will be able to build up enough evidence against the State of Georgia election people, that he will be able to bring his own charges against them.


Trump’s co-defendant PLEADS GUILTY in contrived Georgia election interference case

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-10-01-trump-co-defendant-pleads-guilty-georgia-case.html
Scott Hall, one of 18 co-defendants of former President Donald Trump in his Georgia election interference case, pleaded guilty on Friday, Sept. 29, in Atlanta to five misdemeanor conspiracy charges.

Hall is the first person charged with Trump to plead guilty in the Georgia election interference case, which claims that Trump and his 18 co-defendants engaged in a widespread racketeering conspiracy to overturn Trump's supposed defeat in the 2020 election to President Joe Biden. (Related: Thrive Time Show: Indictments against Trump PROVE Americans live in a country with a two-tiered justice system – Brighteon.TV.)

Georgia prosecutors were able to get Hall to agree to a plea deal that includes an agreement to a sentence of five years in probation, a $5,000 fine and a letter of apology to the state.

Part of the plea deal also requires Hall to testify against his co-defendants, including Trump, at future trials or hearings in the Georgia election racketeering case. If he abides by this, the state agrees to drop the felony charges against him.

Hall's plea deal rushed through judge

At a hearing in the Fulton County Superior Court, Hall confirmed to Judge McAfee the requirements of his plea deal with prosecutors.

Curiously, McAfee indicated that Hall's plea was scheduled hastily on Friday, alleging that prosecutors wanted to rush the process to enter Hall's guilty plea. One prosecutor noted that Hall provided a recorded statement about his alleged involvement in the bid to interfere with the 2020 election in Georgia to the district attorney's office earlier in the day.

"This is not a matter that had been scheduled today, but I was informed by both parties that they would like to have an impromptu court hearing and I understand that this is a change of plea," said McAfee at the outset of the court session on Friday afternoon.
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It's a way to draw the boundaries of electoral districts in such a way that it benefits one party. Unfortunately many states leave the district arrangement up to the legislature, i.e. politicians who directly benefit from it, instead of using some sort of impartial non-political method.

The way this can work is by "packing" as many people of certain political leaning (which in the two-party system isn't that difficult, e.g. black people favor Democrats, white rural population favors Republicans, etc) into as few districts as possible, so they elect as few representatives as possible. Another option (can be used in combination with the above) is  to spread such people over multiple districts so that they don't have a majority in either of them and are unable to elect the representatives they want.

Obviously you can't just put any people in any district you want, it has to be done using geographic boundaries (basically lines on a map), but there is enough segregation in many areas so that it can work geographically, e.g. urban black population and white suburbs - very common in the US.

Google gerrymandering examples, it's fascinating.