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August 09, 2023, 01:24:23 AM
core lightning v23.08 release candidate 1 has now been announced and it is now time to test new and experimental features before release, such as these:
  • taproot address support for core lightning
  • introduction of renepay
  • splice funds in or out of a live channel
https://community.corelightning.org/c/general-questions/version-23-08-release-candidate-1-tagged
 

Just switched from LND to CLN. So far so good. Thanks for the update.
legendary
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August 08, 2023, 09:05:59 AM
core lightning v23.08 release candidate 1 has now been announced and it is now time to test new and experimental features before release, such as these:
  • taproot address support for core lightning
  • introduction of renepay
  • splice funds in or out of a live channel
https://community.corelightning.org/c/general-questions/version-23-08-release-candidate-1-tagged
 
legendary
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July 28, 2023, 01:29:44 PM
Picture this: in a Phoenix (also Breez) scenario, providers have to rebalance the channel that connects users to their hub, for every single user, if needed.
Do they really rebalance the channels to their customers? I think they don’t. They just open new channels every time they try to route something to a customer but have no outbound liquidity in the existing channels to that customer. And they get fees for opening each new channel. This is one of the main sources of their income.
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July 27, 2023, 05:48:08 PM
Quite obvious. Large lightning nodes which are the default hubs for custodial wallets have respectable part of the network's funds.
I see. But Blixt, Phoenix and Muun also have such default hubs for all their users. Nevertheless, routing is much worse for these wallets (comparing with LNBits, for example).
Not sure about Blixt and Muun, but to the best of my knowledge, Phoenix is (still) completely self-custodial. So while you do only have a channel with their node, making it a 'hub' of sorts, it is different to custodial wallets, where you don't even run your own node with your own channel(s) at all, but just have a balance on someone else's node.
This highly facilitates the job of the 'hub' provider to make sure every user has plenty of inbound and outbound capacity.

Picture this: in a Phoenix (also Breez) scenario, providers have to rebalance the channel that connects users to their hub, for every single user, if needed.
In a custodial scenario, they have to do that once for all users. Because it's 'just' one big node to manage, with liquidity going in and out. And transfers between users can be made without even touching Lightning. L3, if you wish.
legendary
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July 26, 2023, 04:02:09 AM
Quite obvious. Large lightning nodes which are the default hubs for custodial wallets have respectable part of the network's funds.
I see. But Blixt, Phoenix and Muun also have such default hubs for all their users. Nevertheless, routing is much worse for these wallets (comparing with LNBits, for example).
legendary
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July 25, 2023, 10:17:08 AM

Using Lightning through BlueWallet does not have "remarkably low fees". It was known that it had hidden fees for each LN transaction that would sometimes cost the user high fees than the average, depending on demand and transaction size.
When it did exist, yes, but isn't BlueWallet's hub shut down?


They did, as I also mentioned in the same post, which wasn't included in your quote. Cool
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July 25, 2023, 10:00:51 AM
Simoultaneously, custodial wallets have no problems with routing.
Quite obvious. Large lightning nodes which are the default hubs for custodial wallets have respectable part of the network's funds. Wallet of Satoshi is a good example of a custodial wallet with large capacity; they have 200 BTC, in more than two thousand channels. That's like 4% of the total bitcoins of the network's capacity.

Using Lightning through BlueWallet does not have "remarkably low fees". It was known that it had hidden fees for each LN transaction that would sometimes cost the user high fees than the average, depending on demand and transaction size.
When it did exist, yes, but isn't BlueWallet's hub shut down?

Nevermind.
legendary
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July 25, 2023, 09:39:40 AM
OP, probably good to remove BlueWallet and add Mutiny.


In my venture to explore the Lightning Network (LN), I opted for the seamless experience provided by BlueWallet. The transactions conducted were solely in BTC, amounting to a mere USD $0.1. The swiftness of these transactions was remarkable, accompanied by remarkably low fees. However, I find myself more inclined towards Bitcoin (segwit) due to familiarity.


Using Lightning through BlueWallet does not have "remarkably low fees". It was known that it had hidden fees for each LN transaction that would sometimes cost the user high fees than the average, depending on demand and transaction size.

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For LN, it may be suitable for facilitating sales and purchases at various stores while also introducing the original Bitcoin, highlighting how it is perceived, what is observed, and so forth. As of now, there are no plans to uninstall the game here.


Uninstall the "game"? You mean BlueWallet? They already removed support for LN two months ago, that's why OP must remove it in his list and add another wallet like Mutiny.
legendary
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July 25, 2023, 05:17:11 AM
a new version of the blixt wallet has now been released. the new 0.6.8 version includes some fixes as well as the new feature called speedloader
the complete changelog and the download files can be found at the github link below the quote:

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Speedloader syncs the wallet's channel database ("channel graph") on startup. This is important for payment pathfinding and will make sure you have an up-to-date database.
https://github.com/hsjoberg/blixt-wallet/releases/tag/v0.6.8



I almost cannot send anything from Blixt for two months already. It cannot find any route even a couple of sats. I tried to send to LNP2PBOT, to LNBITS, to CoinOS. Only one transfer out of five runs.

Actually, the same case is with Phoenix, and with Muun as well.

Simoultaneously, custodial wallets have no problems with routing.
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July 17, 2023, 04:02:42 PM
OP, probably good to remove BlueWallet and add Mutiny.
In my venture to explore the Lightning Network (LN), I opted for the seamless experience provided by BlueWallet. The transactions conducted were solely in BTC, amounting to a mere USD $0.1. The swiftness of these transactions was remarkable, accompanied by remarkably low fees. However, I find myself more inclined towards Bitcoin (segwit) due to familiarity.

For LN, it may be suitable for facilitating sales and purchases at various stores while also introducing the original Bitcoin, highlighting how it is perceived, what is observed, and so forth. As of now, there are no plans to uninstall the game here.
legendary
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July 16, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
OP, probably good to remove BlueWallet and add Mutiny.

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What is Mutiny? It's the first self-custodial lightning wallet that runs on the web! Control your funds on an open standard that does not depend on Apple or Google app stores. No downloads are needed!

We've set out to solve the onboarding problem for Bitcoin no matter who you are, where you live, or what device you are using. And because funds are fully in your control, there's no need to provide identity to a regulated institution. This is what it looks like to make Bitcoin accessible to the 5 billion global internet users with access to a web browser.

https://blog.mutinywallet.com/mutiny-wallet-open-beta/


I haven't looked closely at all the details on how it actually works but a "self-custodial wallet that runs on the web" means you store your keys in your browser? Probably not a good idea for big amount of Bitcoin. Haha.

Although trade-offs taken by their developers does make it easier for new users and does help solve the onboarding problem.
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July 16, 2023, 12:17:55 AM
I would recommend Blink (formerly BItcoinBeachWallet) available for ios and android and app gallery  https://www.blink.sv/
It says that Blink is unavailable some countries app stores, including the US  Roll Eyes
I like that they are supporting Stablesats, USD equivalent that is much better way of holding some kind of stablecoins but without having to deal with shitcoins.
So far I didn't try it but I might give it a go to see how it works, but if I understand correctly this is custodial LN wallet.

You are correct it's a custodial bitcoin ln wallet gaining popularity in latam. Not available in U.S due to Blink not operating (having a legal company set up in the U.S) regulation is not clear for them to want to hop in plus its costly and there are recent U.S companies shutting down like https://unbanked.com/unbanked-will-be-winding-down/ , so it appears the U.S might be losing some ground here.
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June 28, 2023, 01:30:19 PM
a new version of the blixt wallet has now been released. the new 0.6.8 version includes some fixes as well as the new feature called speedloader
the complete changelog and the download files can be found at the github link below the quote:

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Speedloader syncs the wallet's channel database ("channel graph") on startup. This is important for payment pathfinding and will make sure you have an up-to-date database.
https://github.com/hsjoberg/blixt-wallet/releases/tag/v0.6.8


legendary
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June 23, 2023, 02:12:50 PM
I would recommend Blink (formerly BItcoinBeachWallet) available for ios and android and app gallery  https://www.blink.sv/
It says that Blink is unavailable some countries app stores, including the US  Roll Eyes
I like that they are supporting Stablesats, USD equivalent that is much better way of holding some kind of stablecoins but without having to deal with shitcoins.
So far I didn't try it but I might give it a go to see how it works, but if I understand correctly this is custodial LN wallet.
jr. member
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June 22, 2023, 07:11:56 PM
I would recommend Blink (formerly BItcoinBeachWallet) available for ios and android and app gallery  https://www.blink.sv/
legendary
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June 19, 2023, 11:19:01 AM
with 0.9.0 a new eclair version has been released today. among others there are the following highlights in this release:
  • improvements against various forms of dos attacks
  • more plugin hooks and rpcs
  • groundwork for dual funding, splicing and bolt 12

https://github.com/ACINQ/eclair/blob/master/docs/release-notes/eclair-v0.9.0.md
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June 14, 2023, 06:11:27 PM
Anyone using the plugin called Circular to rebalance channels in Core Lightning v23.0.5??? I think it might be broken after the API changes in Core Lightning.
Wanted to know if anyone can still use this plugin.
I haven't, but from the GitHub description it looks basically identical to the rebalance plugin. You still need to manually specify input and output channels, for instance.
What's the benefit over rebalance?

I like it more only in the sense that it shows you a more user-friendly info about what is going on during a rebalance! And from other users, specifically from one of Boltz owner, it seems to do a better job finding routes for our rebalances.

For instance, this is part of the output it shows you from logs while attempting to rebalance:
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rebalance.go:57 Run: ===================== ATTEMPT 1 =====================
 40516 2023-06-14T05:58:43.347Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: params.go:48 validateLiquidityParameters: validating liquidity parameters
 40517 2023-06-14T05:58:43.348Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: params.go:50 validateLiquidityParameters: refreshing in and out channels
 40518 2023-06-14T05:58:43.348Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: params.go:75 validateLiquidityParameters: liquidity parameters validated
 40519 2023-06-14T05:58:43.349Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: route.go:41 tryRoute: generating route
 40520 2023-06-14T05:58:43.354Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: route.go:19 getRoute: looking for a route from Boltz to SCP-096
 40521 2023-06-14T05:58:43.403Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: time.go:10 TimeTrack: rebalance.getRoute took 64.837ms
 40522 2023-06-14T05:58:43.407Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: route.go:53 tryRoute: Route from: Boltz to: SCP-096
 40523 2023-06-14T05:58:43.407Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: Amount: 300000
 40524 2023-06-14T05:58:43.408Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: Fee: 2267msat
 40525 2023-06-14T05:58:43.408Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: Fee PPM: 7
 40526 2023-06-14T05:58:43.408Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: Hops: 4
 40527 2023-06-14T05:58:43.408Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: Hop  1:                           Crypt04n4rkMoV, fee:    0.000, ppm:     0, scid: 778301x567x0, delay: 408
 40528 2023-06-14T05:58:43.408Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: Hop  2:                                    Boltz, fee:    0.301, ppm:     1, scid: 748535x568x1, delay: 328
 40529 2023-06-14T05:58:43.409Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: Hop  3:                         marburg.ddns.net, fee:    0.166, ppm:     0, scid: 774975x2457x1, delay: 288
 40530 2023-06-14T05:58:43.409Z DEBUG   plugin-circular: Hop  4:                                  SCP-096, fee:    1.800, ppm:     6, scid: 711640x1428x1, delay: 144

The owner did the update to the plugin yesterday and I have already used it! I like this more than the original rebalance!
And I think you can do other things like push and pull liquidity to/from your channels but I never tried it!
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June 14, 2023, 05:24:04 PM
Anyone using the plugin called Circular to rebalance channels in Core Lightning v23.0.5??? I think it might be broken after the API changes in Core Lightning.
Wanted to know if anyone can still use this plugin.
I haven't, but from the GitHub description it looks basically identical to the rebalance plugin. You still need to manually specify input and output channels, for instance.
What's the benefit over rebalance?
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June 09, 2023, 03:04:57 PM
Anyone using the plugin called Circular to rebalance channels in Core Lightning v23.0.5??? I think it might be broken after the API changes in Core Lightning.
Wanted to know if anyone can still use this plugin.

Edited;
Someone on Github, in Circular repository wrote a patch that apparently fixes the issues due to the breaking changes of Core Lightning API, but the coder didn't open a PR with his changes, so someone took the liberty to  use his code, include the patch and open a PR, crediting him all the reputation for the patch. PR is now waiting for revision.
If anyone uses it or woul like to try the plugin to rebalance channels, and have knwoledge in Go programming language, maybe can give it a try and maybe a review and check if anything is missing.

Original repository
https://github.com/giovannizotta/circular

Issue
https://github.com/giovannizotta/circular/issues/17

PR
https://github.com/giovannizotta/circular/pull/18
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June 06, 2023, 06:14:06 AM
Rusty Russel posted yesterday a minor release to CLN, fixing some bugs that couldn't wait for the major release 23.08. This version was called v25.05.1 and brings the following bug fixes:

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    Fixed crash (memory corruption!) in listtransactions (openingd: work harder to intuit OPT_SCID_ALIAS. #6304)
    Don't crash on gossip store deletion fail (gossipd: don't fail on gossip deletion #6297)
    Fix incompatibility with LND which prevented us opening private channels (openingd: work harder to intuit OPT_SCID_ALIAS. #6304)
    Fixed crash in dual-funding. (CI: restore dual-funding tests. #6273)


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