Topic: The Rock Trading Scam www.therocktrading.com Exchange Review fraud opinion - page 33. (Read 35936 times)

The Rock CFO just confessed what has been obvious for everyone since the start: he knows (and always knew) that there wasn't any security issue and that the money is mine.

So, he confessed that he was lying everytime he suggested that I had hacked my account or that I was some kind of criminal. The Arbitrator will receive a scan of his confession and will make him pay for this.

He now says he is doing all of this only because he wants to know my identity.

Of course, this is ridiculous. No one would ruin the reputation of his exchange, breach Italian Law and several rules of their own TOS and assume the risks he is taking, just to know a customer. Does he think we are all stupid?

Even if this was true, he has to know that he has no right to blackmail a customer to send documents under threat of keeping his money "forever" if there are no security reasons. Current Italian Law and their own TOS/FAQ are more than clear on this.

He was hoping I had some tax problem or something like this and this mess wouldn't end on the authorities hands and he would keep "blocking" my money "forever", as he confessed he was ready to do. He now knows he was completely wrong.

But somehow he seems to still hope that the Arbitrator will send this all away. I never seen someone like this before. Tell me about denial of reality.

Anyway, one of the requests on the complaint is that the Rock Trading exchange should not be informed about any personal details since they accept anonymous accounts and have no right to know their customer in this case under their own TOS/FAQ or Italian Law.

The Rock´s CFO is claiming they didn't receive yet any personal information. If this is truth, this means that the european system respected the request, even if they have as policy the exchange of all information in order to allow a settlement between the parties.

I think the Italian Arbitrator will do exactly the same thing. They will lose also on this.

The scammer Andrea Medri aka eliale crawled from under his Rock to write his usual fake promises. The fact is that he is blocking the OP money for more than 14 months! His scam technique of blocking money then demand documents and saying to the victim to go to the police has even inspired other scammers that copied his words to the letter like his pal Francesco Simonetti

The problem is when the victim actually goes to the police and shows he hasnt nothing to hide. Both these scammers think that saying go to the police will save them from the police!

The OP will never send you his ID directly because you are pathetic scammers. I hope the Italian authorities raid your office and close down your scam outfit called Rock Trading.

In the end regardless of what happens YOU WILL release the funds belonging to the OP.

Shame on you pathetic scammers.

As soon as the Arbitrator will send us your Identity information, assuming you are the owner, we will release funds promptly.

As a second solution, you can upload your id's and we will speed up the process.

For us it is the same. It is only up to you.

Thank you!

What JollyGood means is that the complaint was made with full disclose of identity and the cost was paid with a transfer from a banking account, so there is no longer any anonymity.

Moreover, there is a coincidence of names between the ones on the complaint and the ones on file with the Rock since 2013. The Arbitrator received a scan of it.

I told them about 5 months ago I wouldn't login again and they know perfectly well no one has logged on the account since that date.

The Rock CFO defamation against me was proven wrong, as was clear since the start. They never had any doubt about my ownership.

They can't keep denying my ownership without being clear to everyone that they are lying.

Why they persist blocking my money? What legitimate reason they could possible have?

Isn't obvious that they are still hoping to be able to keep my money "forever"? (quoting him).

They better invent a very good lie to tell the Arbitrator. They are not crazy, they know that without a very good new pretext, the Arbitrator will send the decision to the Italian Postal Police: they will end on jail and the Rock trading closed.

On any case, they better be prepared to pay more than 5000 euro in compensations for everything they did on this case, including major breaches of Italian Law and of their own TOS/FAQ.

The Arbitrator will take months to decide, but I'll be here keeping the community aware.

As time goes by, their illegal and abusive behavior is more and more clear.

To be on the safe side I checked customer account but, I cannot find any document on file.

Thank you

You are a scammer. Your "paragraph 16" of the TOS of your scam outfit is a disgrace.

You selectively scammed the OP and instead of backing down he put you pathetic scammers in your place by exposing you.

How dare you ask the OP any questions AFTER he sent you an extensive list of his ID.

Any company in their right mind would have released his crypto but a trashy scam outfit such as your Rock Trading scam decided to punish the OP because he exposed you as scammers.

You have played for time hoping the OP would give up but he has not. You WILL release his funds no matter how long it takes because you have no right to hold his funds whether he complied with KYC or not because he was happy to accept his crypto back instead of FIAT after your scam outfit kept changing the TOS in order to selective scam..

yes, the claimant, finally decided to open a case with ODR as per our TOS paragraph 16.

We are waiting for a call from the arbitrary office mutually agreed.  

Hopefully, we will be able to resolve it soon (timing is out of our control now)

Thank you

I see thanks for the update, waiting with a lot of interest any result in the bitgrail case.

Please note about Bitgrail:

Mr. Firano has a personal  account with  TRT.

The account and all the funds on it were confiscated by The Court of Florence (Italy) last month of May 2018. 

Because of our history and our proven capacity to safely keep customers funds, The Court decided to leave the funds in our custody untill further notice.

We do still have all the funds waiting for further instructions from The Court.

We are proud of this sign of trust given to us from a Court of Law which deeply analized the situation and decided to fully trust TRT

Thank you

I have lost 120k xrb on bitgrail. Now it gets interesting..............................

Don't forget, Hostfat moderator here was a lot envolved in the xrb project. Maybe he can say something about it.

Btw, I am a fluent speaker of italian, I don't need translations

Yes, there are some.

The Rock Trading is being accused by a forum member victim of the Bitgrail bankruptcy of helping Bitgrail owner to run with money that he had on a Rock account: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49482604

He went as far as to call the Rock a "scam association" ("associazione a delinquere") https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49471815, then apologized, but left the original post unchanged.

The Rock CFO returned to explain that they blocked Bitgrail Rock account on May 2018.

What he doesn't explain is why he allowed Bitgraill owner to create and verify an account on the Rock Exchange and deposit 230 bitcoins between 2 and 5 February 2018 on an amount of 1.7 million USDs (check an English translation of the Court sentence, point 2.7: https://medium.com/@bitgrailvictims/court-decision-by-the-court-in-florence-jan-21-20-c6d0c3e4247c) when there were already several  accusations against his Bitgrail since January 2018:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RaiBlocks/comments/7snh50/bitgrail_no_longer_allows_withdrawals_in/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitgrail-fact-checking-affermazioni-alla-prova-dei-fatti-2963986 (16 February 2018)

He also don't explain what kind of transactions Bitgrail owner was allowed to make until May 2018. But there are allegations that he made some successful withdrawals which the Rock CFO didn't deny saying that the matter is under police investigation (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49483389). Thus, the above accusation against the Rock from some victims.

So, another legal mess where the Rock is a target of accusations.

Any new updates?

Thanks to this deed, they and The Rock Trading are completely burned on this forum.

One of the Administrators of the Forum (I think mediators can't do this) downgraded their only positive feedback from a single member (who, by coincidence, promotes The Rock Trading on his signature) to untrusted. This wasn't an innocent move and doesn't promises anything good for them.

It's no coincidence that he never posted again.

The key thing in your case as you rightly pointed out is they selective scammed you and that is the reason they claim to be a legitimate business. They pick and choose their customers to scam depending on their situation so if they scam 1 in 25 or 1 in 50 customers but the other 24 or 49 are happy then the numbers of complaints are tiny.

Rather than carry out and open scams many scammers pretend to be a bonafide business but behind the scenes they are criminals waiting to sting their next customer playing the long game.

Thanks for your continuous support and the merit. I have been reading your site, including the new content.

On the issue of the HYIP scams, it's a major red flag that they still haven't denied publicly (at least on this forum) their involvement on them. They are helping these scammers by omission. But it's likely that someone is using their names abusively.

Of course, that doesn't change a thing about their selective scam on my case.

I belive in this is the only way to expose them and protect others. Soon, I will update again article. Im searching for more details and information about their scammy business. I hope more people will check this thread.

https://www.fxempire.com/crypto/exchange/therocktrading/user-reviews
https://www.coinstaker.com/bitcoin-exchanges/the-rock-trading-review/
https://statrader.com/the-rock-trading-cryptocurrency-exchange-review/#comment-1641
Also published my reviews of the Rock Trading after a long period of time which suggests some due diligence from them.

The Rock Trading is a tiny exchange. I doubt that their small profits would ever put them in real trouble because of taxes. I just stated that if they publish a volume, they are publicly confessing a certain amount of fees and so of profits. Tax authorities will take that in account soon or later on an inspection.

They are gambling with their freedom only because of what they are doing with my money.

The passing of time and the fact that there is no longer any anonymity only confirms that their against TOS/FAQ demand for verification is just a pretext to keep my money blocked, as their abusive and covert freeze of my withdrawals and the denials of my property against all evidence already suggested from the start.

In all eu is an asset. The theory isn't that you don't pay on profit more than 20% nowhere. Point is paying taxes is a more complicated factor that you are talking there and no one is yet speaking about washed money, to get away with their profit.

Don't think about their taxes, they should be the ones that are going to decide if they are going to pay or not.