Except, of course, atheism isn't a religion any more than 'off' is a tv channel.
You are the theist, the one who is proposing the existence of something, your supreme all-powerful deity.
We, the atheist, say you have no evidence that would justify considering your claim as even reasonable, let alone valid. So, no, we don't assert "there is no god", we assert, "you, the theist, have no evidence that would warrant considering your extraordinary claim as even plausible, let alone likely".
Or are you going to continue being dishonest about this?
Topic: The Treadmill of Atheism - page 3. (Read 7037 times)
The problem with the atheism religion is, it is not the truth, any more than any other religion expresses the complete truth.
In fact, the fact that atheism denies that there is a god is a reason that it is destroying itself, for one major reason. That reason is that anyone who is willing to certify that there is no god, is by that certification setting himself up as god, just by making a certification like that.
When a god says that there is no god, that is self destruction.
In fact, the fact that atheism denies that there is a god is a reason that it is destroying itself, for one major reason. That reason is that anyone who is willing to certify that there is no god, is by that certification setting himself up as god, just by making a certification like that.
When a god says that there is no god, that is self destruction.
Bill Nye the government science guy.
The atheist community on YouTube ticks me off. DarkMatter2525 makes a series of great animations lampooning religion and then he makes a video defending the NSA smh. I wish the atheist community would grow some balls and stop worshiping at the altar of the state.
The atheist community on YouTube ticks me off. DarkMatter2525 makes a series of great animations lampooning religion and then he makes a video defending the NSA smh. I wish the atheist community would grow some balls and stop worshiping at the altar of the state.
So I posted the Atheist Treadmill thing, and on a forum an Atheist kinda got angry with me. Then he realized I was not arguing for Christianity, so he paused for a moment and was talking casually about the Matt Dillahunty, Sye Ten debate with me. I told him that I don't think Sye Ten has a single brain cell in his head, but Matt Dillahinty still got caught in the presup, so it wasn't a clear win.
Then he said he would debate me, and I went ahead and sent something to him, because I am pretty sure a video debate would just devolve into insults since he is defending himself against the things I said, and I only ever said anything about "Shit Slinging Atheists" so he must feel like that fits him, or he would not have tried to defend against it. Everyone knows there are atheists that don't know what they are talking about that just hate religion, they are shit slingers. You don't have to identify with them if you are Atheist, they are just a group of people that don't understand what they are fighting.
But anyways.
I send him the thing explaining my Gods, and instead of being able to prove me wrong he retreats to "Those are lower case gods, not God". And I told him that things change over time, for example, "Atheos" was the original word for "Atheist", and it referred to people who did not believe in the popular Gods like Zeus. So in Greek times, this was a reference to Jews and Christians, because the Greeks worshiped the planets. They called Jupiter "Zeus" and they called History"Clio" and they called tutors "Mentor", We still use the word "Mentor" today to explain how someone is embodying the spirit of helping us learn.
So I tell him this, and he gets all twisted, saying that "Atheists can't have Gods" and I had to explain to him that the only reason I was putting it in historical context, was because he was saying that Gods can only be "All Powerful, All Knowing sky men".
And I tried to tell him that I was not trying to say that modern Christians are Atheists, I was saying that the word Atheist comes from Atheos which came from Christians, who worshiped a man. Not Gods like the Greeks. So the Greeks called them "Atheos".
Then he told me I had not told him what my God was, and never gave him a definition. So I explained to him how the seasons move with the planets and the plants are planted and harvested based on those changes. Ancient people called those Gods, and I am calling them Gods.
Then I told him to stop being a Christian, because only Christians, Jews and Muslims think God is an all powerful all knowing being. And most of the world lives in China and India, so MOST OF THE WORLD doesn't even agree with the idea of the Christian God.
And he won't give it up. He says he is Atheist, but he will only accept an all powerful, all knowing sky daddy. Doesn't that make you Christian?
Then he said he would debate me, and I went ahead and sent something to him, because I am pretty sure a video debate would just devolve into insults since he is defending himself against the things I said, and I only ever said anything about "Shit Slinging Atheists" so he must feel like that fits him, or he would not have tried to defend against it. Everyone knows there are atheists that don't know what they are talking about that just hate religion, they are shit slingers. You don't have to identify with them if you are Atheist, they are just a group of people that don't understand what they are fighting.
But anyways.
I send him the thing explaining my Gods, and instead of being able to prove me wrong he retreats to "Those are lower case gods, not God". And I told him that things change over time, for example, "Atheos" was the original word for "Atheist", and it referred to people who did not believe in the popular Gods like Zeus. So in Greek times, this was a reference to Jews and Christians, because the Greeks worshiped the planets. They called Jupiter "Zeus" and they called History"Clio" and they called tutors "Mentor", We still use the word "Mentor" today to explain how someone is embodying the spirit of helping us learn.
So I tell him this, and he gets all twisted, saying that "Atheists can't have Gods" and I had to explain to him that the only reason I was putting it in historical context, was because he was saying that Gods can only be "All Powerful, All Knowing sky men".
And I tried to tell him that I was not trying to say that modern Christians are Atheists, I was saying that the word Atheist comes from Atheos which came from Christians, who worshiped a man. Not Gods like the Greeks. So the Greeks called them "Atheos".
Then he told me I had not told him what my God was, and never gave him a definition. So I explained to him how the seasons move with the planets and the plants are planted and harvested based on those changes. Ancient people called those Gods, and I am calling them Gods.
Then I told him to stop being a Christian, because only Christians, Jews and Muslims think God is an all powerful all knowing being. And most of the world lives in China and India, so MOST OF THE WORLD doesn't even agree with the idea of the Christian God.
And he won't give it up. He says he is Atheist, but he will only accept an all powerful, all knowing sky daddy. Doesn't that make you Christian?
PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank you.
I keep that one in my fav quote list, thank you!
Here is a PRIME example of the "Shit Slinging Brand Atheist"
I posted the "Treadmill of Atheism" to a bunch of atheist, including the Atheism group on Google Plus. And this morning I noticed basically a response video, though it is not labeled as such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltr8WM8BVo
First I want to say that I think everyone should have the right to get married and I don't see what religion has to do with Marriage. That being said. This guy brings up the Gay rights court cases that have been happening recently, and says that in the past the only reason they didn't legalize gay marriage was "tradition". That is him shitting in his hand. Then he proceeds to sling that shit, by generalizing ALL religions as "Tradition" and all tradition as "Bad".
The supreme court justices that stalled gay marriage were largely Catholic, but Atheists don't actually know enough about this stuff to see the difference.
And secondly, WESTERN MEDICINE IS A TRADITION, having a court system is tradition, etc. Atheists need to stop acting like all traditions are bad. PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank you.
I guess you must be one (and only one) that has clicked on his thumbs down count. I posted the "Treadmill of Atheism" to a bunch of atheist, including the Atheism group on Google Plus. And this morning I noticed basically a response video, though it is not labeled as such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltr8WM8BVo
First I want to say that I think everyone should have the right to get married and I don't see what religion has to do with Marriage. That being said. This guy brings up the Gay rights court cases that have been happening recently, and says that in the past the only reason they didn't legalize gay marriage was "tradition". That is him shitting in his hand. Then he proceeds to sling that shit, by generalizing ALL religions as "Tradition" and all tradition as "Bad".
The supreme court justices that stalled gay marriage were largely Catholic, but Atheists don't actually know enough about this stuff to see the difference.
And secondly, WESTERN MEDICINE IS A TRADITION, having a court system is tradition, etc. Atheists need to stop acting like all traditions are bad. PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank you.
I never thumbs down anyone, but since you brought it to my attention I just went and did and there are at least 2 now.
Okay I watched the video. I liked it. Don't think I really disagree with anything he said...
He doesn't even know what he is saying. We "Traditionally" go to court to decide things. He (all in one video) talks about how AWESOME the tradition of court is, then says ALL tradition is bad. He is an idiot.
Why Atheism is Failing
Yesterday I posted an argument for the Atheists, as I said, I think the Christians are the ones with the worst arguments here, but the Atheists should be able to smack them down no problem. So since I want to see all of this move forward, I am going to present you with some arguments to beat the Christians.
Presup
1. The same as yesterday, appeal outside your own reasoning by appealing to the reasoning of other people and the work of people before you.
2. Pick an absolute. Like Lobsters, ask the Atheist "Why are Lobsters Illegal to over fish in Florida, why did God make it that way" They will most likely respond confused, then you tell them that it is for conservation purposes to make sure lobsters exist in the future. Then you proceed from there asking them why God did different things with Lobsters, and at this point, they are no longer in the presup argument.
GO WIN NOW.
Pascal's Wager
This one only needs 1.
1. The Christians say "Well, what if God is real, it's better to believe than to not, just in case. And if it's not true, I believed something for no reason and who cares?" the way you respond to this is by saying that is the religions of Abraham one day aren't the most popular, people could hunt down all the circumcised people and kill them, and you don't want to put your descendants through that, so might as well not be Abrahamic.
GO WIN NOW.
Evolution
1. The Christian says that "no one has ever seen change over time, and we will not live long enough to ourselves". SHOW THEM FOSSILS. Look up "Whale Wolf Transition Fossil" and I am sure you will find something you can point to and show "This used to live on land, now it is in the water." Then show them the Fossil Record of Humans and things that we passed down like fire and dream herbs, so that they can see that these people existed in a timeline and not at the same time.
2. The Christians say "The Bible has a table of lineage, and it tells me that from Adam to Jesus there were only enough Generations for approximately 6,000 years". All the Atheist has to do is look up "Syro-Palestinian Archaeology" and show them things like Jericho 10,000 vs 6,000 BC and Bethlehem and all that.
3. The Christian says "There is no mechanism for Evolution". Ask them how they would prepare to go to Alaska, then ask them how they would prepare to go to Mexico. Then ask them if they think they had kids that grew up in there, if they think that kid might have kids with people there. Then ask if they think those kids will be different from the other kids there, and if they are different from the kids in the original country, There is your mechanism.
GO WIN NOW.
Cosmological
You guys seem to have forgotten this one, but you always had an argument for it. When they say "The universe had a beginning, therefor a creator" you say "What if the Flying Spaghetti Monster?". That is WHY he was invented.
Yesterday I posted an argument for the Atheists, as I said, I think the Christians are the ones with the worst arguments here, but the Atheists should be able to smack them down no problem. So since I want to see all of this move forward, I am going to present you with some arguments to beat the Christians.
Presup
1. The same as yesterday, appeal outside your own reasoning by appealing to the reasoning of other people and the work of people before you.
2. Pick an absolute. Like Lobsters, ask the Atheist "Why are Lobsters Illegal to over fish in Florida, why did God make it that way" They will most likely respond confused, then you tell them that it is for conservation purposes to make sure lobsters exist in the future. Then you proceed from there asking them why God did different things with Lobsters, and at this point, they are no longer in the presup argument.
GO WIN NOW.
Pascal's Wager
This one only needs 1.
1. The Christians say "Well, what if God is real, it's better to believe than to not, just in case. And if it's not true, I believed something for no reason and who cares?" the way you respond to this is by saying that is the religions of Abraham one day aren't the most popular, people could hunt down all the circumcised people and kill them, and you don't want to put your descendants through that, so might as well not be Abrahamic.
GO WIN NOW.
Evolution
1. The Christian says that "no one has ever seen change over time, and we will not live long enough to ourselves". SHOW THEM FOSSILS. Look up "Whale Wolf Transition Fossil" and I am sure you will find something you can point to and show "This used to live on land, now it is in the water." Then show them the Fossil Record of Humans and things that we passed down like fire and dream herbs, so that they can see that these people existed in a timeline and not at the same time.
2. The Christians say "The Bible has a table of lineage, and it tells me that from Adam to Jesus there were only enough Generations for approximately 6,000 years". All the Atheist has to do is look up "Syro-Palestinian Archaeology" and show them things like Jericho 10,000 vs 6,000 BC and Bethlehem and all that.
3. The Christian says "There is no mechanism for Evolution". Ask them how they would prepare to go to Alaska, then ask them how they would prepare to go to Mexico. Then ask them if they think they had kids that grew up in there, if they think that kid might have kids with people there. Then ask if they think those kids will be different from the other kids there, and if they are different from the kids in the original country, There is your mechanism.
GO WIN NOW.
Cosmological
You guys seem to have forgotten this one, but you always had an argument for it. When they say "The universe had a beginning, therefor a creator" you say "What if the Flying Spaghetti Monster?". That is WHY he was invented.
Okay I watched the video. I liked it. Don't think I really disagree with anything he said...
Here is a PRIME example of the "Shit Slinging Brand Atheist"
I posted the "Treadmill of Atheism" to a bunch of atheist, including the Atheism group on Google Plus. And this morning I noticed basically a response video, though it is not labeled as such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltr8WM8BVo
First I want to say that I think everyone should have the right to get married and I don't see what religion has to do with Marriage. That being said. This guy brings up the Gay rights court cases that have been happening recently, and says that in the past the only reason they didn't legalize gay marriage was "tradition". That is him shitting in his hand. Then he proceeds to sling that shit, by generalizing ALL religions as "Tradition" and all tradition as "Bad".
The supreme court justices that stalled gay marriage were largely Catholic, but Atheists don't actually know enough about this stuff to see the difference.
And secondly, WESTERN MEDICINE IS A TRADITION, having a court system is tradition, etc. Atheists need to stop acting like all traditions are bad. PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank you.
I guess you must be one (and only one) that has clicked on his thumbs down count. I posted the "Treadmill of Atheism" to a bunch of atheist, including the Atheism group on Google Plus. And this morning I noticed basically a response video, though it is not labeled as such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltr8WM8BVo
First I want to say that I think everyone should have the right to get married and I don't see what religion has to do with Marriage. That being said. This guy brings up the Gay rights court cases that have been happening recently, and says that in the past the only reason they didn't legalize gay marriage was "tradition". That is him shitting in his hand. Then he proceeds to sling that shit, by generalizing ALL religions as "Tradition" and all tradition as "Bad".
The supreme court justices that stalled gay marriage were largely Catholic, but Atheists don't actually know enough about this stuff to see the difference.
And secondly, WESTERN MEDICINE IS A TRADITION, having a court system is tradition, etc. Atheists need to stop acting like all traditions are bad. PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank you.
I don't think anyone is making blanket statements here.
At least from my perspective, there is a much more pointed approach against the RELIGIOSITY of religion. No one has any issue with any behavior, or tradition, as you call it, that may have come about incidentally to religion. But it is important that we distinguish what is of the church and of mankind's own derivation that was done in the name of the church because not doing so at the time would have resulted in a rather crispy ending.
I am not sure exactly what specific traditions you speak of, but for the most part any evidently theologically rooted traditions would only be so because not that long ago people were legally killed for coming up with something beneficial and not giving glory to the Highest (whispers pile of dog shit [sorry had to])
Admittedly I did not watch the video, so I apologize if it covers the traditions in question. But maybe you can clarify in conversation and we can go from there?
Also, to the gays and marriage: Do not let the theist's own what the State has to give you license to do. To me this delusion about the sanctity of marriage as a religious institution is one of the biggest pieces of proof that religion is and always has been nothing more than a management tool of the State. It is of the church, but literally every aspect of it that makes it binding is legal State submitted paperwork. You make some promise in front of poor schmuck family members who could care less and it was ultimately the State, not the church, who made it so easy to divorce, which to me nullifies the whole sanctified nature of marriage. Something sacred should not be able to be so easily undone.
And if being gay is so natural, than shut the fuck up and stop begging for attention. You are queer, we get it. Much like the blacks, everyone else is over it except those crying persecution. You are so busy crying with your eyes tightly shut you don't even realize the rest of the world has moved on. It doesn't help that while your eyes are closed politicians and hate mongerers are whispering in your ears about how much people hate you, but that doesn't make it any more true!
Sorry for the rant, but look forward to hearing from you.
At least from my perspective, there is a much more pointed approach against the RELIGIOSITY of religion. No one has any issue with any behavior, or tradition, as you call it, that may have come about incidentally to religion. But it is important that we distinguish what is of the church and of mankind's own derivation that was done in the name of the church because not doing so at the time would have resulted in a rather crispy ending.
I am not sure exactly what specific traditions you speak of, but for the most part any evidently theologically rooted traditions would only be so because not that long ago people were legally killed for coming up with something beneficial and not giving glory to the Highest (whispers pile of dog shit [sorry had to])
Admittedly I did not watch the video, so I apologize if it covers the traditions in question. But maybe you can clarify in conversation and we can go from there?
Also, to the gays and marriage: Do not let the theist's own what the State has to give you license to do. To me this delusion about the sanctity of marriage as a religious institution is one of the biggest pieces of proof that religion is and always has been nothing more than a management tool of the State. It is of the church, but literally every aspect of it that makes it binding is legal State submitted paperwork. You make some promise in front of poor schmuck family members who could care less and it was ultimately the State, not the church, who made it so easy to divorce, which to me nullifies the whole sanctified nature of marriage. Something sacred should not be able to be so easily undone.
And if being gay is so natural, than shut the fuck up and stop begging for attention. You are queer, we get it. Much like the blacks, everyone else is over it except those crying persecution. You are so busy crying with your eyes tightly shut you don't even realize the rest of the world has moved on. It doesn't help that while your eyes are closed politicians and hate mongerers are whispering in your ears about how much people hate you, but that doesn't make it any more true!
Sorry for the rant, but look forward to hearing from you.
Here is a PRIME example of the "Shit Slinging Brand Atheist"
I posted the "Treadmill of Atheism" to a bunch of atheist, including the Atheism group on Google Plus. And this morning I noticed basically a response video, though it is not labeled as such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltr8WM8BVo
First I want to say that I think everyone should have the right to get married and I don't see what religion has to do with Marriage. That being said. This guy brings up the Gay rights court cases that have been happening recently, and says that in the past the only reason they didn't legalize gay marriage was "tradition". That is him shitting in his hand. Then he proceeds to sling that shit, by generalizing ALL religions as "Tradition" and all tradition as "Bad".
The supreme court justices that stalled gay marriage were largely Catholic, but Atheists don't actually know enough about this stuff to see the difference.
And secondly, WESTERN MEDICINE IS A TRADITION, having a court system is tradition, etc. Atheists need to stop acting like all traditions are bad. PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank you.
I posted the "Treadmill of Atheism" to a bunch of atheist, including the Atheism group on Google Plus. And this morning I noticed basically a response video, though it is not labeled as such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltr8WM8BVo
First I want to say that I think everyone should have the right to get married and I don't see what religion has to do with Marriage. That being said. This guy brings up the Gay rights court cases that have been happening recently, and says that in the past the only reason they didn't legalize gay marriage was "tradition". That is him shitting in his hand. Then he proceeds to sling that shit, by generalizing ALL religions as "Tradition" and all tradition as "Bad".
The supreme court justices that stalled gay marriage were largely Catholic, but Atheists don't actually know enough about this stuff to see the difference.
And secondly, WESTERN MEDICINE IS A TRADITION, having a court system is tradition, etc. Atheists need to stop acting like all traditions are bad. PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank you.
Don't worry BADecker. Dank will be along shortly backing you up with his golden nuggets of eternal wisdom.
Actually, maybe the law has caught up with dank - he hasn't posted in days. Hopefully I am right.
Don't worry BADecker. Dank will be along shortly backing you up with his golden nuggets of eternal wisdom.
I have to thank you Badecker. I just completed work I thought would take me all day tomorrow (today) to do. While I've been chatting with you, I've been working in my other monitor. The conversation has kept me awake and alert and it's been a very productive night for me!
So while you are clearly a brainwashed idiot, for me tonight you've been useful. Thanks!
So while you are clearly a brainwashed idiot, for me tonight you've been useful. Thanks!
That stepping off a cliff thing was known long before science as we know it came into being.
No it wasn't. Science has always existed. The first time a Neanderthal looked up at the sky and saw a star, that was science.
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systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
We've had science for tens of thousands of years.
If no one saw the first caveman fall off a cliff, no one would know NOT to do that. Observation.
And you can't show me any of your facts, because you don't have any. Everything you have is perceived through faith, faith in your atheistic religion.
Nonsense. I don't have faith - I have science. I know for a fact that if I step off a cliff, gravity will pull me down. You know it too.
That's the difference between you and me. I rely on facts - you rely on Harry Potter for your morals.
That stepping off a cliff thing was known long before science as we know it came into being.
And you can't show me any of your facts, because you don't have any. Everything you have is perceived through faith, faith in your atheistic religion.
Nonsense. I don't have faith - I have science. I know for a fact that if I step off a cliff, gravity will pull me down. You know it too.
That's the difference between you and me. I rely on facts - you rely on Harry Potter for your morals.
If your arguments are based on science and fact, it is by accident, because you don't know any of it.
Yet I continue to be right, as usual. You can't disprove any of my facts any more than you can prove any of your beliefs.
I think you need to stick to your church where people will believe anything you say. Here, on a bitcoin forum, you aren't doing too well.
Here's where you are wrong in this. If something is proven, then it is a fact and not a belief. Because of this, I will never be able to prove any of my beliefs, not if I want to keep them as beliefs. And I DO want to keep them as beliefs, because it is by faith that I am saved.
I can guess about what your facts might be, but until you show me some, I can't even attempt to disprove them. And you can't show me any of your facts, because you don't have any. Everything you have is perceived through faith, faith in your atheistic religion.
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