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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 06:02:20 AM
Imagine that you have two people who are really bad people. And let's say that they are just about the same in the quality and quantity of bad stuff that they do. One of the guys dies at age 25, the other at age 50. In the resurrection, which of the two will thank God for death more? Won't it be the guy who died younger? After all, he will have 25 years of sin to be punished for throughout all eternity in hell. Thank God He lets us die.


How can you thank someone if you are dead?

Your scenario makes no sense.

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I know, who has time to read the whole thing?
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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 06:02:13 AM

Semantics.  Nothing in the universe is all powerful.


You are starting to understand where God is not, at least not entirely.  Smiley

Dude, I understand more than you about your god.  I have been brainwashed, and I have been set free.

You have yet to be set free.

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 06:00:16 AM

Semantics.  Nothing in the universe is all powerful.


You are starting to understand where God is not, at least not entirely.  Smiley
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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:59:35 AM
Show me where in the bible it says that god savored his work, fool.

Easy to post things - more difficult to back them up with proof.  That's why you stick to your churches, for you need prove nothing to the brainwashed.

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Showed you already. But I'll re-show it, because this thread is growing by leaps and bounds, and you might have missed it.

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God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

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So it doesn't say anywhere he "savored" it - that was just an opinion your priest gave you.

Stick to your church, fool.   Wink
legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:58:33 AM
Your belief that he "savored" his work is an opinion your priest gave you - there is nothing in the bible that says anything like that.

You are simply wrong in this.  Smiley

Show me where in the bible it says that god savored his work, fool.

Easy to post things - more difficult to back them up with proof.  That's why you stick to your churches, for you need prove nothing to the brainwashed.

 Roll Eyes

Showed you already. But I'll re-show it, because this thread is growing by leaps and bounds, and you might have missed it.

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God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:55:57 AM
The complexity of the universe is the evidence for God. And not only is it evidence, but it is evidence that comes closer to proof than any other evidence does for anything else, while at the same time, not being proof.

The universe is not complex.  It started out as nothing but hydrogen.  Simplest thing you can have.  

That is evidence and proof there is no god.

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:54:20 AM
The mistake being made in this thread is that you get drawn in to discussing the 'why would . . .' of their god, which is akin to accepting the mythological character exists while arguing about what said mythological characters reasons for doing things might be.

Which is what theists want you to do.

How about just sticking to the fact that they are claiming the existence of an omnipotent super-being with no evidence other than human imagination supporting this assertion.

How is your 'God' any different from, say, Harry Potter?

By that I mean, what evidence is there that your 'God' is any more 'real' than the fictional storybook character called 'Harry Potter'?



The complexity of the universe is the evidence for God. And not only is it evidence, but it is evidence that comes closer to proof than any other evidence does for anything else, while at the same time, not being proof.

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October 21, 2014, 05:53:57 AM
Actually science has completely disproven free will, if you follow Sam Harris's neuroscientific research...
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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:53:40 AM
Actually, if the atheist scientist sat down and thought about it, he would realize that he doesn't believe in free will. How's that? Because everything that science revolves around has to do with cause and effect. There is evidence for nothing else in this universe. And the more a scientist is a scientist, the more he delves into the reason fror things... cause and effect, action and reaction. This means that there is no pure random. This means that evolution, if it exists, is "pre-programmed." This means that a universe that could cause-and-effect things for billions of years had a much greater Great First Cause than a universe that is only 6,000 years old.

If this is true, and there is no random, why wasn't your god able to see that mankind would become evil and he would have to drown them all?

Why couldn't your god see adam would be lonely?  How hard is it to see that?

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:52:09 AM
In the case of God, He is coming from the direction of knowing everything. We barely have an understanding of knowing a little... compared with what is there to know. It is difficult for us to understand His point of view.

So he KNEW that the world would be overrun by evil and he would have to drown them all in a great flood?

What a perverted asshole your god is.

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The thing that God wanted was righteous and good people. He wanted people, not robots. That's why He gave them free will. So, what do you do when a project doesn't work out like you want?

God didn't destroy mankind entirely, though they had turned against Him for no reason. And, He is getting good results from that decision, right now. There are millions of people who are being saved. God is getting the results that He had wanted in the first place - lot's of friends who are worshiping Him for His great goodness.

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Actually I have another theory.

Let's say for the sake of argument that I believe in God.  

One thing I have found most likely is that Free Will is NOT something derived of God, but an attribute all animalsl, including humans, innately have.  

I think that everything God is said to do, and everything within the religious framework, was made to control free will because it was already there, and that is why God "got it wrong" so much.  Free Will is a variable not even God can equate....

Actually, if the atheist scientist sat down and thought about it, he would realize that he doesn't believe in free will. How's that? Because everything that science revolves around has to do with cause and effect. There is evidence for nothing else in this universe. And the more a scientist is a scientist, the more he delves into the reason fror things... cause and effect, action and reaction. This means that there is no pure random. This means that evolution, if it exists, is "pre-programmed." This means that a universe that could cause-and-effect things for billions of years had a much greater Great First Cause than a universe that is only 6,000 years old.

So you see, if you think about it, the whole scientific community has been built on faulty thinking... at least in the things that they present to us.

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:46:39 AM
Entropy, my not so good man, entropy.  Smiley

Exactly.  Science is the answer to everything.   You can't even explain your god without using science.

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What? You actually think science invented entropy?  Smiley

Science defined it, and you use that definition. 

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:45:04 AM
Entropy, my not so good man, entropy.  Smiley

Exactly.  Science is the answer to everything.   You can't even explain your god without using science.

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What? You actually think science invented entropy?  Smiley
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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:43:55 AM
Imagine that you have two people who are really bad people. And let's say that they are just about the same in the quality and quantity of bad stuff that they do. One of the guys dies at age 25, the other at age 50. In the resurrection, which of the two will thank God for death more? Won't it be the guy who died younger? After all, he will have 25 years of sin to be punished for throughout all eternity in hell. Thank God He lets us die.


How can you thank someone if you are dead?

Your scenario makes no sense.

 Huh
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October 21, 2014, 05:43:36 AM


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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:42:55 AM
God didn't destroy mankind entirely, though they had turned against Him for no reason. And, He is getting good results from that decision, right now. There are millions of people who are being saved. God is getting the results that He had wanted in the first place - lot's of friends who are worshiping Him for His great goodness.

No, he didn't destroy mankind entirely, he just killed a few million for kicks.  

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Imagine that you have two people who are really bad people. And let's say that they are just about the same in the quality and quantity of bad stuff that they do. One of the guys dies at age 25, the other at age 50. In the resurrection, which of the two will thank God for death more? Won't it be the guy who died younger? After all, he will have 25 years less of sin to be punished for throughout all eternity in hell. Thank God He lets us die.

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:40:51 AM
That's part of the reason you are not all powerful. Your depth of understanding is lacking, greatly.

Semantics.  Nothing in the universe is all powerful.

I think it's obvious to everyone but you that you are the one lacking basic understanding.

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:38:48 AM
Your belief that he "savored" his work is an opinion your priest gave you - there is nothing in the bible that says anything like that.

You are simply wrong in this.  Smiley

Show me where in the bible it says that god savored his work, fool.

Easy to post things - more difficult to back them up with proof.  That's why you stick to your churches, for you need prove nothing to the brainwashed.

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:38:16 AM
The thing that God wanted was righteous and good people. He wanted people, not robots. That's why He gave them free will. So, what do you do when a project doesn't work out like you want?

1) If I was all powerful, my project would work out, even with free will.

2) If I was all knowing, I would know they would become evil, even with free will.

Your god cannot see the future.  The bible has hundreds of examples where god reacts to something he did not expect.

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That's part of the reason you are not all powerful. Your depth of understanding is lacking, greatly.

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legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:36:40 AM
And when you have to be spoon fed every little bit of information about how things work...

You're a hypocrite!  Your priest has spoon fed you every opinion you have about your god.
legendary
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October 21, 2014, 05:35:57 AM
When a person is going through an activity, if he stops, he is at rest, even if he doesn't need to replenish his muscles because of the exercise.

God didn't need to create the universe in six days. He took that time because He was savoring it. Notice how He says wording to the effect of, "And God saw that everything He had made was good." Had He wanted to, He could have snapped his spiritual fingers and the whole thing would have come into existence instantly.


Semantics.  The bible clearly says he took six days to make it, and he had to rest on the seventh day.  It even says people who work on the seventh day should be put to death.   Cheesy

Your belief that he "savored" his work is an opinion your priest gave you - there is nothing in the bible that says anything like that.

Next?

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You are simply wrong in this.  Smiley
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