Topic: The Treadmill of Atheism - page 6. (Read 7037 times)
I agree of course, we should not be drawn into superfluous discussion over sky ghosts and prophecy.
The mistake being made in this thread is that you get drawn in to discussing the 'why would . . .' of their god, which is akin to accepting the mythological character exists while arguing about what said mythological characters reasons for doing things might be.
Which is what theists want you to do.
How about just sticking to the fact that they are claiming the existence of an omnipotent super-being with no evidence other than human imagination supporting this assertion.
How is your 'God' any different from, say, Harry Potter?
By that I mean, what evidence is there that your 'God' is any more 'real' than the fictional storybook character called 'Harry Potter'?
Which is what theists want you to do.
How about just sticking to the fact that they are claiming the existence of an omnipotent super-being with no evidence other than human imagination supporting this assertion.
How is your 'God' any different from, say, Harry Potter?
By that I mean, what evidence is there that your 'God' is any more 'real' than the fictional storybook character called 'Harry Potter'?
Well, actually, at the time before the Great Flood of Noah's day, the people were so far advanced beyond us (because of the natural health of a new earth), that they could invent all kinds of ways to be immoral that we haven't even thought about developing, yet. That's why God destroyed all but the 8 people on the ark of Noah. We are all descendants of Adam. But we are all descendants of Noah and his wife, too.
So now you are posting that your god is NOT all knowing?
That conflicts directly with your statement that he WAS all knowing.
You can't keep your stories straight.
And when you have to be spoon fed every little bit of information about how things work...
No wonder you are having such a hard time believing the easier religions, and have turned to the difficult religion of atheism.
In the case of God, He is coming from the direction of knowing everything. We barely have an understanding of knowing a little... compared with what is there to know. It is difficult for us to understand His point of view.
So he KNEW that the world would be overrun by evil and he would have to drown them all in a great flood?
What a perverted asshole your god is.
The thing that God wanted was righteous and good people. He wanted people, not robots. That's why He gave them free will. So, what do you do when a project doesn't work out like you want?
God didn't destroy mankind entirely, though they had turned against Him for no reason. And, He is getting good results from that decision, right now. There are millions of people who are being saved. God is getting the results that He had wanted in the first place - lot's of friends who are worshiping Him for His great goodness.
Actually I have another theory.
Let's say for the sake of argument that I believe in God.
One thing I have found most likely is that Free Will is NOT something derived of God, but an attribute all animalsl, including humans, innately have.
I think that everything God is said to do, and everything within the religious framework, was made to control free will because it was already there, and that is why God "got it wrong" so much. Free Will is a variable not even God can equate....
Entropy, my not so good man, entropy.
Exactly. Science is the answer to everything. You can't even explain your god without using science.
It isn't that morals have become better. It is that people were a lot healthier back then, because the earth hadn't had the time to go into so much entropy change yet. Because of this, people were full of energy and health. This allowed them the strength of "playing" with their morals in ways that we barely understand.
Now where did you get that nonsense from?
Is that why 1 out of every 2 women died in childbirth? Is that why everyone was dead by age 30?
Nowhere in the bible does it say people were healthier, so you must have heard this TOO from your priest. Again, call bullshit when your priest feeds you this shit.
Entropy, my not so good man, entropy.
God didn't destroy mankind entirely, though they had turned against Him for no reason. And, He is getting good results from that decision, right now. There are millions of people who are being saved. God is getting the results that He had wanted in the first place - lot's of friends who are worshiping Him for His great goodness.
No, he didn't destroy mankind entirely, he just killed a few million for kicks.
The thing that God wanted was righteous and good people. He wanted people, not robots. That's why He gave them free will. So, what do you do when a project doesn't work out like you want?
1) If I was all powerful, my project would work out, even with free will.
2) If I was all knowing, I would know they would become evil, even with free will.
Your god cannot see the future. The bible has hundreds of examples where god reacts to something he did not expect.
In the case of God, He is coming from the direction of knowing everything. We barely have an understanding of knowing a little... compared with what is there to know. It is difficult for us to understand His point of view.
So he KNEW that the world would be overrun by evil and he would have to drown them all in a great flood?
What a perverted asshole your god is.
The thing that God wanted was righteous and good people. He wanted people, not robots. That's why He gave them free will. So, what do you do when a project doesn't work out like you want?
God didn't destroy mankind entirely, though they had turned against Him for no reason. And, He is getting good results from that decision, right now. There are millions of people who are being saved. God is getting the results that He had wanted in the first place - lot's of friends who are worshiping Him for His great goodness.
The most dangerous part of this is millions of people sit on their hands while all this bullshit goes on in the world waiting for Jesus to come save the day...
Not me my friend.
I don't do any business with people who believe in fairy tales. I actively tell them what fools they are.Maybe I have convinced a few to break their brainwashing - I'll never know. At least I'm doing moral work.
And this is the exact reason that the Theory of Evolution is no longer scientific theory.
ROFL! Sure, go on, let's have the link that proves Evolution has been thrown out as THE scientific explanation.
Proof or it didn't happen.
There probably isn't any point blank scientific link like this. The reason is that science has proven that evolution is true. Of course, it isn't evolution science that has proven evolution true. Rather, it is political science - a science built around propagandizing - that has proven evolution true. In other words, if they say it enough, people start to believe it. So it's true to the believers. That's the only way evolution has even a little chance of being proven true.
The difference, my friend, is I can take you to the Zoo or the Natural History museum and show you anthropological evidence for what Evolution talks about.
You can't even show me a reference to any one thing mentioned in the Bible. Not one thing. From then or now, there is nothing that proves or supports anything claimed in your fairy tales.
Even the "miracles" like Fatama are proven false in the very manner the story is told. Three kids are given a vision that happens to look exactly like those people are told the vision would look by the church they go to. The descriptions of the envisioned woman is the stereotype of the graven image of Mary that is plastered all over churches across the world.
I can tear your religion to its foundation and show you innumerable ways the modern church doesn't even practice Christianity anymore.
Well, now you are getting a little far out. Consider that in the first chapter in the Bible, God made everything "after its kind." You don't have to go to the zoo. All you have to do is look at life around you. It is "after its kind." It isn't after evolution.
As far as churches practicing Christianity, there are many that don't practice it in a way that god would approve of. But you can see that right in the beginning of the Revelation in the New Testament in the Bible. Way back almost 2.000 years ago, Jesus told John to write this. So why would it be any different today?
Once again, you are confusing what the church is saying with what is real.
None of the Gospels were written by the named people of each Gospel. No one knows who wrote the Book of John. Just another example of the old world church theory being proven wrong by modern understanding of actual history...
When a person is going through an activity, if he stops, he is at rest, even if he doesn't need to replenish his muscles because of the exercise.
God didn't need to create the universe in six days. He took that time because He was savoring it. Notice how He says wording to the effect of, "And God saw that everything He had made was good." Had He wanted to, He could have snapped his spiritual fingers and the whole thing would have come into existence instantly.
God didn't need to create the universe in six days. He took that time because He was savoring it. Notice how He says wording to the effect of, "And God saw that everything He had made was good." Had He wanted to, He could have snapped his spiritual fingers and the whole thing would have come into existence instantly.
Semantics. The bible clearly says he took six days to make it, and he had to rest on the seventh day. It even says people who work on the seventh day should be put to death.
Your belief that he "savored" his work is an opinion your priest gave you - there is nothing in the bible that says anything like that.
Next?
Where in the world did you get the info that suggests that He NEEDED to rest? He wasn't resting to replenish his being or something. He rested to enjoy the great creation that He had just made, something like a person enjoys his weekend after a week at the office.
Are you being purposely idiotic?? From the bible of course.
It took him six days to make your world - he couldn't make it in one. He had to rest afterwards. He wasn't relaxing/enjoying - he was RESTING.
Did your priest tell you differently?
What happens when your priest and the bible differ? Which one does a fool believe?
If you are being sincere here, I am finally beginning to understand you a little.
When a person is going through an activity, if he stops, he is at rest, even if he doesn't need to replenish his muscles because of the exercise.
God didn't need to create the universe in six days. He took that time because He was savoring it. Notice how He says wording to the effect of, "And God saw that everything He had made was good." Had He wanted to, He could have snapped his spiritual fingers and the whole thing would have come into existence instantly.
You simply don't understand what the almighty strength is like.
Well, now you are getting a little far out. Consider that in the first chapter in the Bible, God made everything "after its kind." You don't have to go to the zoo. All you have to do is look at life around you. It is "after its kind." It isn't after evolution.
We have animals today that have clearly evolved from other animals.
When your great flood happened, there were 2 dogs on board. Today, how many hundreds of species of dogs do we have, that HUMANS guided through evolution?
Or will you ignore the fact the poodle and the great dane are different?
And this is the exact reason that the Theory of Evolution is no longer scientific theory.
ROFL! Sure, go on, let's have the link that proves Evolution has been thrown out as THE scientific explanation.
Proof or it didn't happen.
There probably isn't any point blank scientific link like this. The reason is that science has proven that evolution is true. Of course, it isn't evolution science that has proven evolution true. Rather, it is political science - a science built around propagandizing - that has proven evolution true. In other words, if they say it enough, people start to believe it. So it's true to the believers. That's the only way evolution has even a little chance of being proven true.
The difference, my friend, is I can take you to the Zoo or the Natural History museum and show you anthropological evidence for what Evolution talks about.
You can't even show me a reference to any one thing mentioned in the Bible. Not one thing. From then or now, there is nothing that proves or supports anything claimed in your fairy tales.
Even the "miracles" like Fatama are proven false in the very manner the story is told. Three kids are given a vision that happens to look exactly like those people are told the vision would look by the church they go to. The descriptions of the envisioned woman is the stereotype of the graven image of Mary that is plastered all over churches across the world.
I can tear your religion to its foundation and show you innumerable ways the modern church doesn't even practice Christianity anymore.
Well, now you are getting a little far out. Consider that in the first chapter in the Bible, God made everything "after its kind." You don't have to go to the zoo. All you have to do is look at life around you. It is "after its kind." It isn't after evolution.
As far as churches practicing Christianity, there are many that don't practice it in a way that god would approve of. But you can see that right in the beginning of the Revelation in the New Testament in the Bible. Way back almost 2.000 years ago, Jesus told John to write this. So why would it be any different today?
Look I will be the first one to admit there is certainly the possibility that these civilizations existed like Lemuria and Atlantis and all that, but you cannot waste time on such things which we cannot prove or observe through anthropology or archeology. Everything the church denounces about science are things science has proven. The church's denouncement is not proof against those proofs. Even the tales of Lemuria and Atlantis have more historical credence than any one story in the Bible.
Just like there is very little history beyond the ancient pottery and ancient writings that anything existed before our time. And there is whole lot of misinterpretation placed on the age of things.
Carbon. Dating.
Actually, waiting like that is about the best way to be. Then when it happens, you will be happily surprised rather than in a fearful panic.
When what happens? May I remind you, there is zero proof of your jesus or heaven or hell.
There is 100% proof that we will all die though.
Just like there is very little history beyond the ancient pottery and ancient writings that anything existed before our time. And there is whole lot of misinterpretation placed on the age of things.
(because of the natural health of a new earth)
You consider four billion years to be a new earth? Through carbon dating, we know exactly how old the earth is.
Oh yeah, I forgot you people don't believe in dinosaurs either.
yeah unfortunately we have this crazy thing called written and dated history proving that the Sumerians were busy inventing glue around the time the Bible says the flood happened...maybe everyone was huffing elmer's and thats why they have a calf on the logo now...lol
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