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August 26, 2022, 03:54:41 PM
A Gane vs Ngannou is sure a big event again, its however disappointing if none is a risk taker in a battle to do something crazy enough to entertain audience. They better promise the fight not to end in a Decision.

Many fighters do not recover from the type of knockout that Leon Rocky Edwards has given to Kamaru Usman according to former lightweight champion Khabib. We cannot be quite certain if he is correct with his analysis, however, Khabib has also made a similar prediction on El Cucuy after he was beaten by Justin Gaethje and he was very much correct.

Khabib Nurmagomedov has said he is unsure how Kamaru Usman will react to his knockout defeat by Leon Edwards, admitting: “A lot of people don’t recover.”

“I’m aware that the trilogy is already in the works,” Khabib added. “I believe [Usman] can beat Leon Edwards, but after such a knockout, a lot of people don’t recover. It will be interesting to see, but I would love to see the trilogy.”


Source https://news.yahoo.com/lot-people-don-t-recover-145032420.html

It must be difficult to recover from such loss. Its shocking to see yourself dominating the division for a longtime and fall instantly. Usman was winning their fight and then suddenly drop. If the resounding headkick keeps replaying in his mind,  he may not recover.  

First cut being the deepest does not apply to his loss though. Its not his first time, he'll get over it.
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August 26, 2022, 02:56:17 PM
Remember tho that the match between them is a 5 rounder.  I think Gane is gonna finish Tuivasa around the third or the fourth or something.  Tuivasa is susceptible of getting finished in the past as his record shows.  I'm not sure where the books have lined the over/under but if it's 2.5 and over is at plus money, I'd say over.

Anyway, I'm not really sure why the UFC decided to make Gane and Tuivasa the main event.  Whitaker bs Vettori seems like it's a higher level match and the winner of the match could get a shot at the belt again.
Yeah, it's probably not the most probable outcome, but it will give a decent return I would expect. Actually, just looking at it; 2.75 for the fight to go the distance, which is rather low, I was expecting a little more given the history of these two, especially since Tai doesn't really defend all that well. 3.25 for a Gane decision looks somewhat enticing though.

The only thing over 2.5 on my bookie is over 4.5. Under 3.5 at 1.72 though which isn't terrible if you're thinking he could get knocked out here.
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August 26, 2022, 02:18:55 PM

Yeah, that match got my eye too. They are supposed to fight at UFC 275 but were canceled due to Robert Whittaker's injury. Well, now I think there won't be anything to stop them from finally meeting.
I think both fighters will be standing up until the end. Fight history based, most of their fights are ending with a decision.
It's hard to predict but looking at our favorite bookie Vettori is the underdog @2.85. But it's not that far which means there's a big chance he may snatch this one.



I know that Robert Whittaker is a popular dude, and Whittaker is really a great fighter no doubt about that, making his way to the top beating guys like Jared Cannonier, Darren Till, and Kelvin Gastelum pretty much many are saying that he can have a win over Vettori, well these two have a canceled bout back on the UFC 275 However, Whittaker withdrew for undisclosed reasons, and he never really disclose what really happens, and now at the UFC Fight Night 209 it will have a continued event but I really wish it will not get canceled now,


Remember tho that the match between them is a 5 rounder.  I think Gane is gonna finish Tuivasa around the third or the fourth or something.  Tuivasa is susceptible of getting finished in the past as his record shows.  I'm not sure where the books have lined the over/under but if it's 2.5 and over is at plus money, I'd say over.

Anyway, I'm not really sure why the UFC decided to make Gane and Tuivasa the main event.  Whitaker bs Vettori seems like it's a higher level match and the winner of the match could get a shot at the belt again.

It is still too early and the odds could surely still change the fight will be next week, but yes Ciryl Gane could finish the fight on that rounds but he can also get this fight on a safer side and win via decision as well, but he can be aggressive aswell just like he did with Derrick Lewis, I just hope that Ciryl Gane could win this one, so he can take on Francis Ngannou again for a rematch, that will be an epic fight for sure,

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August 26, 2022, 11:03:44 AM
I can't bet against Tai, and him being the underdog is always quite enticing with his recent rise to fame. The man is a star, even if his career will be somewhat short lived. The way he fights, basically makes his fights a coin toss, and I think Gane would know how to not get hit by him, since most of Tai's knockouts come from fighters just sitting in the pocket, and banging. Lewis found that out.

Gane will just look to touch him up, and then use his feet to get out of the way, and re-establish that distance. Tai will have to really work hard. I actually think that's how it's going to play out, and will probably be a rather boring fight. The value bet for me is it going the distance.

Remember tho that the match between them is a 5 rounder.  I think Gane is gonna finish Tuivasa around the third or the fourth or something.  Tuivasa is susceptible of getting finished in the past as his record shows.  I'm not sure where the books have lined the over/under but if it's 2.5 and over is at plus money, I'd say over.

Anyway, I'm not really sure why the UFC decided to make Gane and Tuivasa the main event.  Whitaker bs Vettori seems like it's a higher level match and the winner of the match could get a shot at the belt again.

@Welsh,
Gane has a professional record of 10 wins and one loss. And Tai Tuivasa has a professional record of 15 wins and three losses.
Tai Tuivasa has been finished before. So, I think Gane is obviously going to take notes from them and try to capitalize on the weakness.
But personally, I would like to say that Tai Tuivasa can create space for himself better.

@tokeweed,
Actually, I also agree with the fact that the UFC probably could make Whitaker versus Vettori the main event. It does feel like that fight is going to be more interesting.
But obviously, UFC is going to promote the main event a lot more. After all, it’s all about money Smiley.
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August 26, 2022, 09:25:55 AM
I can't bet against Tai, and him being the underdog is always quite enticing with his recent rise to fame. The man is a star, even if his career will be somewhat short lived. The way he fights, basically makes his fights a coin toss, and I think Gane would know how to not get hit by him, since most of Tai's knockouts come from fighters just sitting in the pocket, and banging. Lewis found that out.

Gane will just look to touch him up, and then use his feet to get out of the way, and re-establish that distance. Tai will have to really work hard. I actually think that's how it's going to play out, and will probably be a rather boring fight. The value bet for me is it going the distance.

Remember tho that the match between them is a 5 rounder.  I think Gane is gonna finish Tuivasa around the third or the fourth or something.  Tuivasa is susceptible of getting finished in the past as his record shows.  I'm not sure where the books have lined the over/under but if it's 2.5 and over is at plus money, I'd say over.

Anyway, I'm not really sure why the UFC decided to make Gane and Tuivasa the main event.  Whitaker bs Vettori seems like it's a higher level match and the winner of the match could get a shot at the belt again.
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August 26, 2022, 07:39:57 AM
Now another fight that can surely be great to watch is between Robert Whittaker VS Marvin Vettori and I think Vettori can pull this one up, now this is the 1st time these two will fight so for Whittaker he will surely have a hard time with Vettori in my opinion,
Yeah, that match got my eye too. They are supposed to fight at UFC 275 but were canceled due to Robert Whittaker's injury. Well, now I think there won't be anything to stop them from finally meeting.
I think both fighters will be standing up until the end. Fight history based, most of their fights are ending with a decision.
It's hard to predict but looking at our favorite bookie Vettori is the underdog @2.85. But it's not that far which means there's a big chance he may snatch this one.



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August 26, 2022, 07:24:58 AM
Right on the money. This is a prop up fight for Chimaev and hed have to do something really stupid to shit the bed on this one. And the UFC really wants to get rid of some of the old guard like Diaz because there 's really not much they can do with them. They are not competitive anymore (save for few outliers) and imho, they aren't even fan favorites anymore, people have moved on.
Dare I say it, but people have moved on from Diaz. UFC has a bit of a different culture about it now, just look at the Ultimate fighter, and how that has evolved over time. The whole vibe is different, you go back to watch season one or the earlier seasons, and you can see how rough around the edges it is.

This does nothing for me though for Chimaev. If he wins, it's as expected. If he does a flying knee in the first 10 seconds, and knocks Diaz out, I'm still not going to think any more of him. He's expected to absolutely dominate that fight, and the risk is if he doesn't it looks even worse.
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August 26, 2022, 07:22:09 AM
I just feel like this is a fight that's happening because it'll make Chimaev look absolutely next level, because Diaz is a fan favourite, and is still held in high regard by many. The reality is he's been off the paces for a few years now, and isn't the fighter he used to be. Plus, Chimaev did lose some stock after that Burns fight.

So, I do think this is feeding Diaz to the dogs type of bout, and I'll probably be avoiding the fight all together in terms of betting. There's no reward for the obvious choice, and the likelihood of the underdog getting anything is rather slim. I'd say it's probably the most mismatched fight of this year.

Right on the money. This is a prop up fight for Chimaev and hed have to do something really stupid to shit the bed on this one. And the UFC really wants to get rid of some of the old guard like Diaz because there 's really not much they can do with them. They are not competitive anymore (save for few outliers) and imho, they aren't even fan favorites anymore, people have moved on.
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August 26, 2022, 05:27:18 AM
I can't bet against Tai, and him being the underdog is always quite enticing with his recent rise to fame. The man is a star, even if his career will be somewhat short lived. The way he fights, basically makes his fights a coin toss, and I think Gane would know how to not get hit by him, since most of Tai's knockouts come from fighters just sitting in the pocket, and banging. Lewis found that out.

Gane will just look to touch him up, and then use his feet to get out of the way, and re-establish that distance. Tai will have to really work hard. I actually think that's how it's going to play out, and will probably be a rather boring fight. The value bet for me is it going the distance.

Many are really doubting Tai Tuivasa, and his recent fight with Lewis is not really that great like what you have said many are expecting Lewis to win it, but Tuivasa just pull a heavy punch that knocks out Lewis I know it will not work on Gane if you will watch Gane's previews fights, his fight IQ is the best, he might have a hard time from Francis Ngannou, and not knowing that Ngannou has an injury he surely was surprised by a sudden change in Ngannou's fight pattern, but pretty much against Tuivasa he can pull this up easily,



Tuivasa made his name on the top after defeating Lewis, the win gives I'm an opportunity to fight guys like Gane although he may not have a high chance of winning. If Gane wouldn't keep their distance while fighting Tai, there could be an upset once again. I'm assuming they are staging to fight Blaydes whoever wins which is a more solid fight to watch than this one.

For me, Tai Tuivasa is not really champion material, now for the number 1 contender Ciryl Gane that is really what he is, the speed, strength, and fighting IQ, Tai Tuivasa is something he can defeat but definitely he can not underestimate the guy, he surely 1 hit punch Lewis out cold,

Now another fight that can surely be great to watch is between Robert Whittaker VS Marvin Vettori and I think Vettori can pull this one up, now this is the 1st time these two will fight so for Whittaker he will surely have a hard time with Vettori in my opinion,
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August 26, 2022, 01:40:03 AM
Many fighters do not recover from the type of knockout that Leon Rocky Edwards has given to Kamaru Usman according to former lightweight champion Khabib. We cannot be quite certain if he is correct with his analysis, however, Khabib has also made a similar prediction on El Cucuy after he was beaten by Justin Gaethje and he was very much correct.



Khabib Nurmagomedov has said he is unsure how Kamaru Usman will react to his knockout defeat by Leon Edwards, admitting: “A lot of people don’t recover.”

“I’m aware that the trilogy is already in the works,” Khabib added. “I believe [Usman] can beat Leon Edwards, but after such a knockout, a lot of people don’t recover. It will be interesting to see, but I would love to see the trilogy.”


Source https://news.yahoo.com/lot-people-don-t-recover-145032420.html
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August 25, 2022, 09:18:23 PM
 
I can't bet against Tai, and him being the underdog is always quite enticing with his recent rise to fame. The man is a star, even if his career will be somewhat short lived. The way he fights, basically makes his fights a coin toss, and I think Gane would know how to not get hit by him, since most of Tai's knockouts come from fighters just sitting in the pocket, and banging. Lewis found that out.

Gane will just look to touch him up, and then use his feet to get out of the way, and re-establish that distance. Tai will have to really work hard. I actually think that's how it's going to play out, and will probably be a rather boring fight. The value bet for me is it going the distance.

Tuivasa made his name on the top after defeating Lewis, the win gives I'm an opportunity to fight guys like Gane although he may not have a high chance of winning. If Gane wouldn't keep their distance while fighting Tai, there could be an upset once again. I'm assuming they are staging to fight Blaydes whoever wins which is a more solid fight to watch than this one.
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August 25, 2022, 08:07:39 PM
I can't bet against Tai, and him being the underdog is always quite enticing with his recent rise to fame. The man is a star, even if his career will be somewhat short lived. The way he fights, basically makes his fights a coin toss, and I think Gane would know how to not get hit by him, since most of Tai's knockouts come from fighters just sitting in the pocket, and banging. Lewis found that out.

Gane will just look to touch him up, and then use his feet to get out of the way, and re-establish that distance. Tai will have to really work hard. I actually think that's how it's going to play out, and will probably be a rather boring fight. The value bet for me is it going the distance.
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August 25, 2022, 06:58:32 PM

Ngannou fight was a weird one. Seems like Ngannou was injured, I think something to do with his knee if I recall correctly? Gane was the favourite in a lot of people's eyes, I can't quite remember on the bookies side of things. However, he just didn't perform, and Ngannou actually beat him by wrestling, which is something we thought Gane had the upper hand in.

I do think Gane beats Ngannou in the rematch, since he'll be a little more wary of those take downs, and Ngannou didn't have the speed on the ground. I like Ngannou though. I'm not sold on Gane, and he didn't show a lot of heart in that fight, whereas Ngannou did, despite the injury.

Yup! he was really injured that night and that is why he resulted in a takedown against Ciryl Gane while Gane was caught by surprise he didn't expect Ngannou to do such a thing as we can see Ngannou has brought a great fight to us even though he is injured, and if we look at his record this is the first decision win for Francis Ngannou, it is out of character for Ngannou to do such a thing

Ciryl Gane is a calculating fighter, he will surely stick to the plan and will work on ways to execute them, but what happened last time will never happen again but kudos to Ngannou for changing at the very least because of his injury, in order to win, that is why I want to see a rematch between the two,


Low kick, knees to fat belly and TKO finish at the fence. That is how I see Gane wins this fight. Speed, power, crowd - everything will be against Tuivasa in this fight. I just dont see where Tuivasa could be better than Gane.

We can not underestimate Tai Tuivasa for knocking out Derrick Lewis like he was nothing, but for the record, Lewis is surely one straight-to-the-point guy that pretty much can be read very clearly, that is why it is an easy task for Tuivasa to knock him cold, but for Ciryl Gane it will be a complicated feat for Tuivasa to read his pattern because he can dance off to victory, Cyril Gane has great combat IQ that can surely be a problem for Tuivasa,

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August 25, 2022, 02:33:21 PM
I think Cyril Gane doesn't mostly go to ground fights, he is more of a technical fighter, and surely his fight IQ will surely work here against Derrick Lewis we don't expect that result that he can knockout Lewis, but he surely did, I want to see a rematch against Ngannou, I think that experience from that fight can surely make him realise how he can deal with Francis Ngannou,
Ngannou fight was a weird one. Seems like Ngannou was injured, I think something to do with his knee if I recall correctly? Gane was the favourite in a lot of people's eyes, I can't quite remember on the bookies side of things. However, he just didn't perform, and Ngannou actually beat him by wrestling, which is something we thought Gane had the upper hand in.

I do think Gane beats Ngannou in the rematch, since he'll be a little more wary of those take downs, and Ngannou didn't have the speed on the ground. I like Ngannou though. I'm not sold on Gane, and he didn't show a lot of heart in that fight, whereas Ngannou did, despite the injury.

Francis Ngannou is someone I would support. There is no doubt that he is a fighter who always strives to win with his 100% effort. It is my belief that if not for the injury, Francis Ngannou would have been able to win the fight. I consider him to be a great fighter.

In spite of knowing that he is not going to win, he is still going to give his 100% even though he knows he won't win. As I mentioned above, I know that a lot of people might think that I am only saying this because Francis Ngannou is able to generate a lot of power. But that is not the only reason. There is no doubt that he is a great fighter with a great heart, and I always like to say that about a fighter.
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August 25, 2022, 11:47:21 AM
Yup, no value on Chimaev.  He's at 1.08 and Diaz is at 8.40.  I just feel like Diaz doesn't care anymore.  Chimaev will win the match but he won't be given the satisfaction of the win because Diaz could not be training right now and might just take the fall and make it really obvious that he took the fall.  Dunno...  But watch the BMF match between Masvidal and Diaz.

...  I think Diaz was thinking "wups, ref stopped the fight, give me my money.".

Watch it.
Funnily enough, I've gotten that impression multiple times from Diaz. He's a volume fighter, and usually takes a lot of damage. Chimaev likely puts him a way. I think he might survive a round, but other than that pretty clean sailing for Chimaev I would think.

The thing is for me, if Chimaev wins it a dominant fashion or not, it doesn't increase his stock for me whatsoever, he has taken the easiest fight possible pretty much. That doesn't say much after coming out of the Burns fight, which kind of derailed his invincibility war path he was on.

Makes money for him, and Dana though so they aren't all that bothered.
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August 25, 2022, 11:41:44 AM
I just feel like this is a fight that's happening because it'll make Chimaev look absolutely next level, because Diaz is a fan favourite, and is still held in high regard by many. The reality is he's been off the paces for a few years now, and isn't the fighter he used to be. Plus, Chimaev did lose some stock after that Burns fight.

So, I do think this is feeding Diaz to the dogs type of bout, and I'll probably be avoiding the fight all together in terms of betting. There's no reward for the obvious choice, and the likelihood of the underdog getting anything is rather slim. I'd say it's probably the most mismatched fight of this year.
Yeah, I am avoiding this too and I doubt they will not pull a super underdog type of odds here.
Nate may be the fan favorite but it's just too obvious in this match who will win from a bettor's perspective. Just staying away would probably be the best idea than a high-risk bet for Nate or a low profit for Chimaev.
Oh, and yes, I do agree a stand-up fight may be his better chance while using jab and counter and the endurance of his chin which he is famous at.
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August 25, 2022, 10:34:07 AM
I just feel like this is a fight that's happening because it'll make Chimaev look absolutely next level, because Diaz is a fan favourite, and is still held in high regard by many. The reality is he's been off the paces for a few years now, and isn't the fighter he used to be. Plus, Chimaev did lose some stock after that Burns fight.

So, I do think this is feeding Diaz to the dogs type of bout, and I'll probably be avoiding the fight all together in terms of betting. There's no reward for the obvious choice, and the likelihood of the underdog getting anything is rather slim. I'd say it's probably the most mismatched fight of this year.

This smells like a passing of the torch. Chimaev is an exciting fighter with an interesting personality too just like Diaz. Just perfect timing because this is also Diaz's last fight in his contract with the UFC. Dana will try to make Chimaev his next big fish.

A bad match up and Dana trying to completely destroy Diaz's future market. Especially if Jake Paul will try to lure Diaz into a boxing fight. Diaz tried to apply for a boxing license before and I haven't heard an update, probably blocked by Dana who's holding a live contract. Jake Paul also mentioned Diaz's name before.



^^ Khamzat Chimaev will not have any problem winning this fight against Nate Diaz, I am confident of that.
His record of 11 wins and no losses is going to remain the same for the foreseeable future. My honest opinion is that this fight is not going to go all the way to the end.
The fight is expected to be closed out early by Khamzat Chimaev. There is a good chance that this fight will last a maximum of three rounds.

It is not my intention to belittle Nate Diaz in any way, but when compared to Nate Diaz right now, Chimaev is an absolute beast right now. As a result, I don't expect the main event to be a very competitive one.
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August 25, 2022, 10:05:32 AM
I'm more excited to see Diaz than Chimaev as Chimaev's stock went down when he fought Burns imho.  Watch this...
I'd agree, but I actually think Burns is underrated, he was giving Usman problems, right up until he discovered Burns doesn't like the jab. Honestly, I see Burns getting the belt if he can sort out that jab issue he has. He probably has some of the most lethal ground game in the division, and he can bang.

Chimaev, I'm not actually a fan of, but I think he makes a mockery of Diaz. I probably won't be betting on that fight, since the odds will be absolutely awful, unless you're going for Diaz. I'm just not convinced Diaz has it in him.


Yup, no value on Chimaev.  He's at 1.08 and Diaz is at 8.40.  I just feel like Diaz doesn't care anymore.  Chimaev will win the match but he won't be given the satisfaction of the win because Diaz could not be training right now and might just take the fall and make it really obvious that he took the fall.  Dunno...  But watch the BMF match between Masvidal and Diaz.

...  I think Diaz was thinking "wups, ref stopped the fight, give me my money.".

Watch it.

Masvidal vs Diaz BMF
https://mmacore.tv/videos/Jorge_Masvidal_vs._Nate_Diaz_Full_Fight_UFC_244_Part_1/10330240
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August 25, 2022, 09:46:44 AM
I just feel like this is a fight that's happening because it'll make Chimaev look absolutely next level, because Diaz is a fan favourite, and is still held in high regard by many. The reality is he's been off the paces for a few years now, and isn't the fighter he used to be. Plus, Chimaev did lose some stock after that Burns fight.

So, I do think this is feeding Diaz to the dogs type of bout, and I'll probably be avoiding the fight all together in terms of betting. There's no reward for the obvious choice, and the likelihood of the underdog getting anything is rather slim. I'd say it's probably the most mismatched fight of this year.

This smells like a passing of the torch. Chimaev is an exciting fighter with an interesting personality too just like Diaz. Just perfect timing because this is also Diaz's last fight in his contract with the UFC. Dana will try to make Chimaev his next big fish.

A bad match up and Dana trying to completely destroy Diaz's future market. Especially if Jake Paul will try to lure Diaz into a boxing fight. Diaz tried to apply for a boxing license before and I haven't heard an update, probably blocked by Dana who's holding a live contract. Jake Paul also mentioned Diaz's name before.

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August 25, 2022, 09:28:17 AM
Nate is a good fighter who fights well in 5 round fights, he knows how to distribute forces, but the problem is that this fight will not last 5 rounds

Crystal ball of predictions showed me that their fight will end with doctor stoppage. It is hard to submit Nate, it is even more harder to knock him out. Chimaev 100% will go for a finish and smash Nate's face. Even if Nate managed to damage or daze Chimaev, he will, as usually, laugh-taunt, and lose the fight.

Tai Tuivasa VS Derrick Lewis was a very straight-to-the-point fight Lewis is a forward fighter and Tuivasa has exposed his style, but against Cyril Gane, I think Tuivasa will surely be having a hard time against him

Low kick, knees to fat belly and TKO finish at the fence. That is how I see Gane wins this fight. Speed, power, crowd - everything will be against Tuivasa in this fight. I just dont see where Tuivasa could be better than Gane.
Cirly Gane is a much more elite mixed martial artist in every sense. I can't find much answer to the question of what Tuivasa can do against Tuiavasa, because Gane is a fighter with high agility, he is the most active fighter among the heavyweights in my opinion. Wrestling doesn't work anyway, and for punches, Tuivasa's strike distance will be short and he'll be slow. In the same way, Gane will play against him by bringing more distance and changing level by showing wrestling and the knee, elbow strikes will try to find
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