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Yup! he is sure good and will do pretty well against Damir Ismagulov in my opinion, and it will be a banger to watch I am pretty much excited to see this fight and Arman Tsarukyan has decent kicks and can take his opponent to the ground, but surely both have good striking, Jui Jitsu, and Sambo in my opinion,

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So here is my late pick for the fights today and because I was late I will just give my opinion on just 2 fights,

Jared Cannonier VS Sean Strickland

The stake odds for this fight are 1.83 for Cannonier and 1.99 for Strickland, for this fight, I am seeing Cannonier has the most power output of the two he can surely knockout Strickland with that power, while Sean Strickland doesn't punch more, and if Cannonier can see that opening he can snipe you, and that leg kick he has is really superb and I know Sean Strickland can go with the takedown when it can be dangerous on the standing he can surely go with takedowns which Cannonier can defend easily just like we see with Brunson, and if Sean Strickland is not successful with his takedown he would likely abandon takedowns, which Derek Brunson's as keep on doing the entire fight until he was successful in taking it, but surely Jared Cannonier can be a pain in don't takedown defense, so I will go with Jared Cannonier,

Arman Tsarukyan VS Damir Ismagulov

The stake odds for this fight are 1.49 for Tsarukyan and 2.65 for Ismagulov, for this fight, Ismagulov has good striking and is great at preserving his energy in pulling his strike in the most open way, and Arman Tsarukyan has a problem with the standing he surely wants to finish the fight with a KO by giving a good overhand punch out of nowhere I think that will not going to work with Damir but Arman Tsarukyan has a ground game and I haven't seen Damir Ismagulov defending some takedowns because he doesn't have any opponent that does that and this is the 1st time he may do that and I really don't know if he has good Jui-Jitsu and I am kind of curious with Damir Ismaglov actually I know the fair wrestling of Tsarukyan and I really love the guy, but after seeing that great technical striking of Damir Ismagulov it was outstanding and for me he hasn't shown anything yet, and I might go with the underdog, for this fight so I would go with Damir Ismagulov,

I don't know the specifics but I'm assuming whatever he was caught with wasn't so bad if he was only gone for six months.  For a fighter though, that can be devastating.  A lot of these guys are spending all their money on their training, and to miss the opportunity to fight can be life changing or even force them into retirement. 

In the case of McGregor though, a lot of guys "juice" when recovering from major injuries to help them speed things along and keep their body in peak condition while they recover.  McGregor looks like an absolute beast right now.  I wonder what he'll look like in another 5 months.

I think there should be a much more severe punishment for the fighters who are caught being on the “juice.” Because this is a fighting game. I want to emphasize that this is not just another bodybuilding competition where you take some "things" and you just look bigger afterwards. 

You are trying to fight against a person and in my opinion, this is basically like an attempt to murder because you are trying to achieve an advantage over the other person by illegal means. The punishment should be at least for years. They just banned him for 6 months and I absolutely agree that this is basically just like a vacation for him.

A few moments later, Bobby Green is going to fight Drew Dober. I will obviously back Drew to win this fight.

^  Yup exactly.  The thread is better for it if we focus on the events and talk about stuff from a betting perspective and learn from each other so we could make better bets.  And I didn't know that Green was caught be USADA.  Thanks for the tip, that kind of stuff is useful if you're betting these matches.  Kape was caught by USADA too but I got him at my too ticket.  Pie shitter?  :/

Anyway, here are the weigh in vids and the results.  Marquez vs Winn was canceled due to Winn fainting before he went to the scale.  One fighter missed weight. 

UFC Vegas 66:  Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b5x-19X2u4

UFC Vegas 66:  Face Off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlgj5Q1mAPQ

Jared Cannonier (185.5) vs Sean Strickland (186)
Damir Ismagulov (156) vs Arman Tsarukyan (155.5)
Amir Albazi (125.5) vs Alessandro Costa (125.5)
Alex Caceres (145) vs  Julian Erosa (145.5)
Drew Dober (156) vs Bobby Green (156)
Cody Brundage (185) vs Michal Oleksiejczuk (186)
Cory McKenna (115.5) vs Cheyanne Vlismas (115.5)
Jake Matthews (171) vs Matt Semelsberger (171)
Saidyokub Kakhramonov (136) vs Said Nurmagomedov (136)
Rafa Garcia (155) vs Hayisaer Maheshate (158.5)*
Bryan Battle (170) vs Rinat Fakhretdinov (171)
David Dvorak (125.5) vs Manel Kape (126)
Sergey Morozov (136) vs Journey Newson (135.5)

*Missed weight

Lets get back talking about next ufc event. I see we got Bobby Green fighting. His previous fight was a replacement in Makhachev vs Darioush. Green replaced Darioush with a 10day notice. I would not pay much attention to Green, but he was caught by USADA and suspended from fights until November 2022.

I dont like when athletes get caught and return back. 6 months suspention - this is not a punishment, this is time to get cleaned. Why in some cases USADA give bans, but in some just 6-12 month vacation? Fighters did not learn a lesson from that. Why not be same as in Olympics - once caught, you are banned forever.

As much as I hate to admit it, Khabib is only so well known due to the antics between him, and Conor. That got a lot of eyes on the sport, despite it being very WWE like. Khabib hasn't got the exciting style that typically entertains the fans. I mean, I've grown a little tired of the crowds booing every time there's a grappling exchange etc.

Conor did a lot for Khabib's image, and he got to come out of that little exchange on the moral high ground. I think this was around the time I was getting into the sport myself, I'm not one of these die hard fans that have been here from the start. The UFC is generally quite new. I for one, hadn't seen much of Khabib before then. Obviously, I've gone back, and watched them now.

@bbc.reporter, I know that in a perfect world, the judges should not be under any influence, and they should score the fight as they see fit. But I just am not ready to believe there was no influence from anyone, especially Dana White, in the result of the Paddy Pimblett fight.

@cabron, I agree with you that UFC fans are not so stupid that they don’t even understand which way the Paddy Pimblett fight turned out. Anyone who is even a modicum of knowledge about the UFC can say that this should not have been the result. I think we all agree that Paddy Pimblett is getting privileged by licking Dana White’s ASS.


Duke Khan

Paddy is maybe not on Conor level of popularity but he is interesting with his figthting style and body transformations pre and post fights.
Only guy that was more popular than Conor globally for Khabib, but only after he beat everyone in his divison including Conor and retired from MMA

Paddy would be insane to try and fight McGregor. Maybe he’d agree to it because of the money involved, but it would probably be the last fight of his career. All this McGregor talk has me wondering if any fighter has ever gone from unranked to fighting a title fight after 1 fight before. I believe that might be what we see 6 months from now. Paddy and McGregor will never be a thing in my opinion though.

I don’t think they are going to make a fight between Paddy Pimblett and Conor McGregor. As far as I know, they are not in the same weight class. And even if they somehow get to the same weight class, I think there is a big chance for Conor McGregor to beat Paddy Pimblett.

If that happens the hype that Dana White was able to create with Paddy Pimblett is going to end up in smoke. They are not going to take that chance.

I think I agree with @hilariousetc that he is going to fight bums. I understand that UFC does need someone to be the next poster boy. But they don’t have to be this much desperate. Right now UFC is going through a hard time. And I am sure that if they hang in there, the good times will return. I think Dana White can start by giving the fighters a little more money so that UFC is seen as a place for opportunities for a lot more fighters.


Regards

Duke

Unfortunately, for Dana White; Paddy doesn't have the same sort of persona or skill set as Conor. Conor was so popular because of his loud mouth, but also he backed it up. He usually put people to sleep in the first or second round. If you can last longer than that with Conor you'll probably beat him.

Paddy is a little less eccentric, and doesn't have the same explosiveness in the octagon. He'll still be a star, I'm sure. However, Conor level? Probably not, and that's okay. People like Conor are rare, they're the perfect combination for the fans, and the money counters in the UFC.

Yup, Tsarukyan vs Ismagulov will def be good.  I got Tsarukyan but I have him at the fourth tier of my parlay lottery ticket.  An argument could be made for Ismagulov as a straight up value bet as he's a live dog. 

As it's close to a pickem, I got Nurmagomedov but just like Tsarukyan vs Ismagulov, I wouldn't blame you guys if you went for the other guy.  Lol.  And for the ladies, Vlismas straight up for me.  McKenna is just too small and doesn't have any pop in her strikes, Vlismas does.  I fancy Vlismas finishing her late in the match. 

Official weigh ins in 1.5 hours.

UFC Vegas 66:  Official Weigh Ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke0xoJ-rYt0

The fact that he is big does not mean that he would be a monster in cage. Maybe his muscles even play bad, as they will eat his stamina, they will disturb his movement. Power punch does not always knock people out, but the punch you dont see does it 100% variability. I dont think that this muscles will help him in a fight. This looks more like just an image. To hype in media.

Now to robberies in fights and Dana White shrugging, saying he cant do anything. If I was him, I would try to organize an immediate rematch every time a lot of people say there was a robbery and give iron facts of that. That would be fair.

UFC fans understand the robbery when they see one. Obviously, Jared made Paddy back away after significant strikes and in the 3rd round, most of the control comes from Jared. Paddy still cocky in the fight interview when he knew he didn't get the fight and everybody shouts boo at him.

But what else can be done, the judges decide and it could end the hype if Paddy loses and Dana wouldn't make anything out of it if Jared wins. Something Dana would have to think about later to give Paddy an opponent that wouldn't box.

Agreed that Paddy the baddy has Dana White privleges similar to Conor, also agreed that Paddy lost the fight. However, blaming the judges' decision on Dana might be incorrect. Those judges are not employed by the UFC. They are sent by the athletic commission from the state of Nevada, similar to the referees. Dana does not have control on the officiating that occurs in the octagon.

I speculate the next opponent for Paddy might be a dead body and the oddsmakers will list him as an underdog hehehe.

Surely a great match one was lost to Adesanya and one to Pereira,  now Sean Strickland could result in takedowns, but knowing him 1st round will be on the stand-up, for this I got Cannonier having good strength with his striking, while Strickland has some technical sticking up nevertheless he can not risk that if Cannonier has a good chin and a better counter, and even though Strickland has a ground game Jared Cannonier has superb takedown defense just like he did with Derek Brunson, and not like Brunson Strickland has a tendency to give-up on takedowns if it is not successful, so this is going to be an interesting fight,


Indeed! I sure think aswell, for me Jared Cannonier is a comfortable side to bet on, and even though the odds are a little close for me chance that Strickland will have a hard time with the takedowns for sure, but surely Sean Strickland has a sense of having the fight to go the distance for sure, just like what he did with his recent fights and winning it with a decision, but for me, Cannonier should counter this with a counter of his own, a good timing on counter can win Jared a KO against Strickland,

It's possible we are going to see KO in this fight, Strickland lost with KO two times same as Cannonier, but Cannonier have much better KO win record, 10 KO's from 15 wins in MMA.
I would rule out submission win from anyone, and some special bet could pay off very nice, for example Cannoiner win by KO or points.

I think there should be more draw too. We could still score it by rounds, but Carla vs Thug Rose comes to mind. No one won that fight. It was probably one of the worst fights I've seen, and there was basically no action whatsoever. So, in my mind I was hoping they scored that as a draw, since nothing actually happened. It was almost disgraceful how nothing happened that fight.

I don't see the UFC doing it though. It's very much a win or lose sport.

I also read an article yesterday that suggested Conor McGregor would be given a shot at a title fight if he wins his comeback fight.  Not sure how fair this is, but it's the right business decision.  Given that McGregor is on so many steroids he is making the Liver King seem tame, I would agree that he is probably the most dangerous fighter he's ever been right now.  In six months when that stuff is all out of his system I don't know what lingering effects will remain, but I wouldn't want to be the first guy to step in a ring with him.  He looks downright scary to be around with how ripped he is at the moment.

For me, Cannonier seems to be the more comfortable side to win. Connonier fought harder opponents, yes, can you look at the names he lost, to say one by one, Blachowicz, Whittaker, Adasenya, Teixeira. I don't know how this fight will end, but Connonier will win this fight, maybe by referee decision. He's even physically superior. I assume you have more variety in your fighting abilities. Strickland often pushes his opponent and tries to cause damage by throwing straight posts.