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Quote from: cabron on June 21, 2024, 11:25:13 AM

UFC knows how to market an event and make it so grand this is why Dana is not interested in cross-promotion.

Sharabutdin Magomedov looks scary. It's the eye that you'd be worrying about, I wonder why the sports commission allowing him to participate in this sport still after his eye incident. Bisping did the same but he hid it from the public so he got away but Shara's eye is very obvious. His kicks are brutal and he has a long reach. Am avoiding this fight and Gastelum. He never the same since.

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I think there is no need to debate physical issues for any fighter, the relevant sports federations have reviewed and considered the reasons so there are certain reasons and exceptions that apply when they are given permission to fight in the octagon. I like the different character of Sharabutdin Magomedov and I have only seen him fight once in his last fight, hoping he can finish his next fight with a quick knockout.

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So now we know (maybe I’m late to the news) that Conor McGregor dropped out of his last fight because of a pinky toe break. While I don’t blame him for wanting to be 100% in his return, he’s no doubt going to take a lot of heat for this one. I just hope we’re hearing the real story and it wasn’t drug abuse that kept him from fighting.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on June 21, 2024, 09:55:40 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2024, 07:22:00 AM

Uh... I can't speak for how the UFC should run their business because they've been very successful... But isn't it also because the UFC doesn't think they are good enough?

The UFC had had the first-mover advantage in the US and used that very well. So they established themselves as the most prestigious mma organisation in the world. But it's not a secret that to make good money in the UFC you have to get to the very top. Fighters from other organisations being set up to sign up with the UFC and pulling out after seeing how little the UFC offers them is not uncommon.

Any final thoughts/predictions on tomorrow's event?
I think 100% prepared Aliskerov would have what it takes to defeat Whittaker, but how well prepared will he be given the very short notice is a big question mark.
Pavlovich will likely destroy Volkov, unless he suffered some trauma from the Aspinall's KO and has lost his confidence.

I'm curious on how will Sharabutdin Magomedov (one-eyed, ginger Dagestani) perform this time. He was being hyped as the next big thing, but he wasn't that dominant in his UFC debut against Bruno Silva. He's still 12-0 with 83% KO rate, so that's something.

UFC knows how to market an event and make it so grand this is why Dana is not interested in cross-promotion.

Sharabutdin Magomedov looks scary. It's the eye that you'd be worrying about, I wonder why the sports commission allowing him to participate in this sport still after his eye incident. Bisping did the same but he hid it from the public so he got away but Shara's eye is very obvious. His kicks are brutal and he has a long reach. Am avoiding this fight and Gastelum. He never the same since.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2024, 07:22:00 AM

Uh... I can't speak for how the UFC should run their business because they've been very successful... But isn't it also because the UFC doesn't think they are good enough?

The UFC had had the first-mover advantage in the US and used that very well. So they established themselves as the most prestigious mma organisation in the world. But it's not a secret that to make good money in the UFC you have to get to the very top. Fighters from other organisations being set up to sign up with the UFC and pulling out after seeing how little the UFC offers them is not uncommon.

Any final thoughts/predictions on tomorrow's event?
I think 100% prepared Aliskerov would have what it takes to defeat Whittaker, but how well prepared will he be given the very short notice is a big question mark.
Pavlovich will likely destroy Volkov, unless he suffered some trauma from the Aspinall's KO and has lost his confidence.

I'm curious on how will Sharabutdin Magomedov (one-eyed, ginger Dagestani) perform this time. He was being hyped as the next big thing, but he wasn't that dominant in his UFC debut against Bruno Silva. He's still 12-0 with 83% KO rate, so that's something.

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^ Whittaker is 33, not that old but not that you either. A couple more years and we see guys like Bo Nickal dominate. I think he'll be champ before 2025 ends.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 20, 2024, 08:08:35 AM

^ That's why, I think the UFC should match up Chim and Rakhmonov, either 170 or 185 for both will be fine and get them into a 5 round prospect vs prospect bout. I don't think Chim will last three rounds imho.

As for the main event this weekend, I fear for Whittaker. His durability could be questionable after seeing what DDP did to him. And before that there were some spots in other spots when he got wobbled a bit.

The UFC needs to stop fawning over old fighters and start adding new talent from everywhere they can because the pool of good fighters is literally closing. Bring in the new talent, give them a good contract and let it all happen.

Wdym fawning? Lol. I think everybody should watch Dana White's Contender Series... That's what you guys are missing. These guys who went in the UFC through DCWS are some of MMA's rising talents and current 135 champ Sean O'Malley got in the UFC through DCWS. Can't get any better than that imho.

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The UFC needs to stop fawning over old fighters and start adding new talent from everywhere they can because the pool of good fighters is literally closing. Bring in the new talent, give them a good contract and let it all happen.

I think that good idea because so far almost all the titles in each class have always been held by old fighters, and not all of those who are challengers can show truly dramatic fights in fighting for the title.
Indeed, some of the top fighters in their respective classes can always show great fights, but apart from the best fighters with main card fights, none of them look great, there are several other events that the UFC can actually take advantage of to have several new fighters.
But so far they have made efforts to select fighters who are worthy of getting place on contract with the UFC, some time ago there were even several fighters from Asia who tried to get into the UFC but I don't know how it went because I didn't follow it.

Presence of new fighters will create much hotter sensation, especially if they are great new fighters and are able to show success in every fight.
I think maybe Dana is thinking about this too but on the other hand he won't give out contracts and bring in fighters he doesn't think are worthy, Dana will always take the best to be here.

UFC has rejected lots of top talents since last year.

Cedric Doumbe is a champ lowballed by Dana, PFL outbid UFC.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/dana-white-fumbled-bag-cedric-doumbe-exploring-ufc-s-missed-chance-pfl-event-sells-less-half-hour

Salahdine Parnasse, resigned from KSW, and UFC didn't offer enough money.
https://www.mmamania.com/2024/6/18/24181487/top-free-agent-double-champion-declined-ufc-offer-was-between-20-30-times-less-than-new-ksw-deal

Paul Hughes, Cage Warriors champ. PFL also offered more when his contract was free. UFC offered him before PFL. He was lowballed by UFC again.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/paul-hughes-explains-choosing-pfl-013026408.html

UFC is still waiting for fighters who can fight cheaply but want fame. That's what UFC offers. It's true though, they can make UFC a big star overnight with a grand flashy entrance to the octagon.

Uh... I can't speak for how the UFC should run their business because they've been very successful... But isn't it also because the UFC doesn't think they are good enough?

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Quote from: Pumared on June 20, 2024, 12:17:40 PM

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^ That's why, I think the UFC should match up Chim and Rakhmonov, either 170 or 185 for both will be fine and get them into a 5 round prospect vs prospect bout. I don't think Chim will last three rounds imho.

As for the main event this weekend, I fear for Whittaker. His durability could be questionable after seeing what DDP did to him. And before that there were some spots in other spots when he got wobbled a bit.

The UFC needs to stop fawning over old fighters and start adding new talent from everywhere they can because the pool of good fighters is literally closing. Bring in the new talent, give them a good contract and let it all happen.

Are you saying that Whittaker is old? To bad then that UFC has ranking system. Ok, they will bring new talents, give them money, but then what? Imho old and rusty top guys would beat new blood. UFC have new promising prospects, and they are building their career. I think UFC has only few examples, when a new talent got top opponents from the start. Fighting is a tough business. New talents quickly becomes old. Sadly there is no manufactory, that creates new talents all the time.

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Quote from: bittraffic on June 20, 2024, 01:51:42 PM

UFC has rejected lots of top talents since last year.

Cedric Doumbe is a champ lowballed by Dana, PFL outbid UFC.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/dana-white-fumbled-bag-cedric-doumbe-exploring-ufc-s-missed-chance-pfl-event-sells-less-half-hour

Salahdine Parnasse, resigned from KSW, and UFC didn't offer enough money.
https://www.mmamania.com/2024/6/18/24181487/top-free-agent-double-champion-declined-ufc-offer-was-between-20-30-times-less-than-new-ksw-deal

Paul Hughes, Cage Warriors champ. PFL also offered more when his contract was free. UFC offered him before PFL. He was lowballed by UFC again.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/paul-hughes-explains-choosing-pfl-013026408.html

UFC is still waiting for fighters who can fight cheaply but want fame. That's what UFC offers. It's true though, they can make UFC a big star overnight with a grand flashy entrance to the octagon.

yeah its really too bad, Dana just refuse to pay the fighters of what they deserve and just went on and said ‘These guys get paid what they’re supposed to get paid’ back in 2022 kinda explains a lot his state of mind about how much a UFC fighter should be paid and this mindset probably still the same for this year and many (more specifically the new talent that got paid peanuts) just don't feel its right and choose to withdraw.

We as the audience definitely don't know about the complexities of calculating fighter pay under the hood but I think dana need to put in some effort to invest into the new talent that actually good and give them the spotlight.
I just think that covering medical expenses and just pay the fighter whatever is left is a way for UFC to destruction on the other hand he probably paid the top fighter by the millions but eventually these fighters gonna need to retire. hopefully he realizes this.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on June 20, 2024, 01:25:38 PM

Quote from: Pumared on June 20, 2024, 12:17:40 PM

The UFC needs to stop fawning over old fighters and start adding new talent from everywhere they can because the pool of good fighters is literally closing. Bring in the new talent, give them a good contract and let it all happen.

I think that good idea because so far almost all the titles in each class have always been held by old fighters, and not all of those who are challengers can show truly dramatic fights in fighting for the title.
Indeed, some of the top fighters in their respective classes can always show great fights, but apart from the best fighters with main card fights, none of them look great, there are several other events that the UFC can actually take advantage of to have several new fighters.
But so far they have made efforts to select fighters who are worthy of getting place on contract with the UFC, some time ago there were even several fighters from Asia who tried to get into the UFC but I don't know how it went because I didn't follow it.

Presence of new fighters will create much hotter sensation, especially if they are great new fighters and are able to show success in every fight.
I think maybe Dana is thinking about this too but on the other hand he won't give out contracts and bring in fighters he doesn't think are worthy, Dana will always take the best to be here.

Something that confirms this is that several champions who won in their category went to other categories to win titles there as well. This is great, but speaking of competitiveness, it makes no sense to let this happen; they need to put good fighters to challenge them.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on June 20, 2024, 01:25:38 PM

Quote from: Pumared on June 20, 2024, 12:17:40 PM

The UFC needs to stop fawning over old fighters and start adding new talent from everywhere they can because the pool of good fighters is literally closing. Bring in the new talent, give them a good contract and let it all happen.

I think that good idea because so far almost all the titles in each class have always been held by old fighters, and not all of those who are challengers can show truly dramatic fights in fighting for the title.
Indeed, some of the top fighters in their respective classes can always show great fights, but apart from the best fighters with main card fights, none of them look great, there are several other events that the UFC can actually take advantage of to have several new fighters.
But so far they have made efforts to select fighters who are worthy of getting place on contract with the UFC, some time ago there were even several fighters from Asia who tried to get into the UFC but I don't know how it went because I didn't follow it.

Presence of new fighters will create much hotter sensation, especially if they are great new fighters and are able to show success in every fight.
I think maybe Dana is thinking about this too but on the other hand he won't give out contracts and bring in fighters he doesn't think are worthy, Dana will always take the best to be here.

UFC has rejected lots of top talents since last year.

Cedric Doumbe is a champ lowballed by Dana, PFL outbid UFC.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/dana-white-fumbled-bag-cedric-doumbe-exploring-ufc-s-missed-chance-pfl-event-sells-less-half-hour

Salahdine Parnasse, resigned from KSW, and UFC didn't offer enough money.
https://www.mmamania.com/2024/6/18/24181487/top-free-agent-double-champion-declined-ufc-offer-was-between-20-30-times-less-than-new-ksw-deal

Paul Hughes, Cage Warriors champ. PFL also offered more when his contract was free. UFC offered him before PFL. He was lowballed by UFC again.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/paul-hughes-explains-choosing-pfl-013026408.html

UFC is still waiting for fighters who can fight cheaply but want fame. That's what UFC offers. It's true though, they can make UFC a big star overnight with a grand flashy entrance to the octagon.

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Quote from: Pumared on June 20, 2024, 12:17:40 PM

The UFC needs to stop fawning over old fighters and start adding new talent from everywhere they can because the pool of good fighters is literally closing. Bring in the new talent, give them a good contract and let it all happen.

I think that good idea because so far almost all the titles in each class have always been held by old fighters, and not all of those who are challengers can show truly dramatic fights in fighting for the title.
Indeed, some of the top fighters in their respective classes can always show great fights, but apart from the best fighters with main card fights, none of them look great, there are several other events that the UFC can actually take advantage of to have several new fighters.
But so far they have made efforts to select fighters who are worthy of getting place on contract with the UFC, some time ago there were even several fighters from Asia who tried to get into the UFC but I don't know how it went because I didn't follow it.

Presence of new fighters will create much hotter sensation, especially if they are great new fighters and are able to show success in every fight.
I think maybe Dana is thinking about this too but on the other hand he won't give out contracts and bring in fighters he doesn't think are worthy, Dana will always take the best to be here.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 20, 2024, 08:08:35 AM

^ That's why, I think the UFC should match up Chim and Rakhmonov, either 170 or 185 for both will be fine and get them into a 5 round prospect vs prospect bout. I don't think Chim will last three rounds imho.

What's good for the fans is not always good for the UFC, that's the problem.
From their perspective, matching up two rising stars (like Chimaev or not, he's still in that category) against each other, inherently means that one of those hype-trains will get derailed. So the best time for those kinds of fights is when both are already established and achieved everything they could, or, best yet, when they're both slightly past their prime.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 20, 2024, 08:08:35 AM

^ That's why, I think the UFC should match up Chim and Rakhmonov, either 170 or 185 for both will be fine and get them into a 5 round prospect vs prospect bout. I don't think Chim will last three rounds imho.

As for the main event this weekend, I fear for Whittaker. His durability could be questionable after seeing what DDP did to him. And before that there were some spots in other spots when he got wobbled a bit.

The UFC needs to stop fawning over old fighters and start adding new talent from everywhere they can because the pool of good fighters is literally closing. Bring in the new talent, give them a good contract and let it all happen.

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^ That's why, I think the UFC should match up Chim and Rakhmonov, either 170 or 185 for both will be fine and get them into a 5 round prospect vs prospect bout. I don't think Chim will last three rounds imho.

As for the main event this weekend, I fear for Whittaker. His durability could be questionable after seeing what DDP did to him. And before that there were some spots in other spots when he got wobbled a bit.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 19, 2024, 07:49:14 AM

^ Thanks for bringing it back to what we should be really be talking about... The next event. And yup, I'm really disappointed that it's not Chim vs Whittaker as I really think Whittaker has a good chance of winning. Chim is good vs lower tier fighters. But against the better ones like Burns and Usman, he doesn't bring a great performance. It's almost like he's getting slowly exposed.

Watch Chim vs Burns and Chim vs Usman again. It could be that he isn't as good as we thought. I even think Rakhmonov wins vs Chim.

If we get back to originally announced Chimaev vs Whittaker fight, then I would disagree with the odds. I think Chimaev was 1.30-1.50 probably, and Whittaker was around 3. Quite low former champ. Imho that special Chimaev aura is evaporating. People used to be scared of him. But his two last fights were really close. Even though Chimaev trains like crazy, why the hell he has so bad stamina? If he did not finish his opponent in first round, he becomes really slow. Of course he will try to get Whittaker down, but Rob is good at countering wrestling (2 fights against Romero should be something to count with). If Rob survives till second or third round, he will outstrike Chimaev.

Now to Aliskerov. He is a copy of Chimaev, with lower wrestling skills, but better stamina and striking. Their fight against Whittaker I might consider to be even more interesting than Chimaev.

Somehow I start not to like Chimaev. Talks a lot, but no SMESH or KILL EVERIBADI in last two fights. Always sudden problems to postpone or cancel fight. Dont wants to fight 5*5min fights. Dont want to cut. Wants to fight in UAE only or Sweden. Latest performance does not match the level of star level he think he is.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/C8UB0T-t10u/
Izzy is back on 305 by the way. He also posted this on his Insta. The King of Africa vs the China man Grin

The first comment (from the picture) is rather funny and discussible Cheesy

On one hand, Strickland would deserve a title fight, as his fight with DDP was close. On the other hand, Izzy already used his wild card for a title fight when he quickly got a rematch against Pereira. But if we look on the picture in general, Izzy has got enough achievements in middleweight to have this fight. Also, Who else should DDP fight? Everyone else from the top of middleweight got their fights recently, and for Izzy to have a third fight against Vettori (as he havent fought lately) is stupid.

Du Plessis is more African than Adesanya.

About the title, I agree and Strickland really deserves more to fight than Adesanya, since, as you rightly argued, their fight was very close and Strickland has already beaten Adesanya.

Maybe for marketing reasons they don't want Strickland

You are very much mistaken. Uncle Dana will certainly like Strickland for marketing reasons. Have you witnessed what he was doing on press conferences and interviews? He is very funny and he will say many truths that many fighters will not say because they are afraid of being cancelled by sports news media.

Also, Sean Strickland is very much injured.

In the co-main event, Sean Strickland earned a win over Paulo Costa but now faces an indefinite suspension pending an x-ray of his left tibia as well as clearance by an orthopedist for the injury to his left tibia/leg. Based on the language of the suspension, Strickland may have suffered some sort of fracture in his leg, although the commission wants him to get that examined to verify the potential nature of the injury

Source https://www.mmafighting.com/2024/6/4/24171758/ufc-302-medical-suspensions-dustin-poirier-sean-strickland-michal-oleksiejczuk-indefinite-suspension

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Quote from: Pumared on June 19, 2024, 01:13:05 PM

As Dana White himself said, whenever Chimaev goes to fight he gets extremely sick and he is never near the UFC doctors so they can check and this ends up being unfeasible because they cannot do their own analysis and need to trust the fighter.

How is he supposed to get near the UFC doctors? When someone gets ill, they'd just go to the nearest hospital. And I'm assuming he was still in Sweden (when he's from) when that happened.
Dana likes to brag about all the special care he offers to his fighters, but I'm not sure I buy that.
He could offer to send specialist(s) to investigate whatever secret illness Chimaev is having, or arrange for the top medical specialists in Sweden. I don't expect Khamzat would refuse that.

Yeah, I miss him a bit, he was entertaining and was bringing something fresh to the table. The 5 rounds against Whittaker would be a really good test for him. But it wasn't meant to be.

As for the Aliskerov Vs. Whittaker, who do you guys would be betting on? Whittaker is a favourite but I disagree. Aliskerov is not even ranked in the top 15 yet, accepted the fight on a short notice, but defeating Robert will be a fast-track to the top, so I'm sure he'll take it seriously. In terms of skills, he seems very well-rounded. But maybe I'm overrating him just because he's from Dagestan.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 18, 2024, 03:36:53 AM

The first comment (from the picture) is rather funny and discussible Cheesy

On one hand, Strickland would deserve a title fight, as his fight with DDP was close. On the other hand, Izzy already used his wild card for a title fight when he quickly got a rematch against Pereira. But if we look on the picture in general, Izzy has got enough achievements in middleweight to have this fight. Also, Who else should DDP fight? Everyone else from the top of middleweight got their fights recently, and for Izzy to have a third fight against Vettori (as he havent fought lately) is stupid.

For me, I think Israel Adesanya shouldn't have easy access to the belt but I think Du Plessis can take care of himself after what he sees in the fight between Adesanya and Strickland sure Dricus Du Plessis might know what to do while Israel Adesanya may have a hard time getting back as he has to lie low for a long time but maybe I was wrong in this but getting your body not doing the things you do you might get the rust and Israel Adesanya is not something special to not be like that.

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^ Yup... I really thought Strickland was gonna get his rematch. It was a really close match between him and DDP, some guys even thought Strickland won. Even Dana White thought Strickland won... And he's just won vs a tough guy in Costa and they're giving the title shot to another guy who Strickland dominated? Cheesy

But I guess it also works in his favor. If DDP wins, Strickland gets his rematch. If Adesanya wins, he does what he did it all over again.

UFC Free Fight: Whittaker vs Costa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eg6VzMsWx8

UFC Free Fight: Aliskerov vs Hawes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCKpMdqTQJ4

^ Who do you guys got in the main even this weekend?

I really want Adesanya to fight Sean Strickland again but I guess he is now evading Strickland because of their last fight maybe he knows that he can not go toe to toe against him yet so maybe trying his luck against Dricus Du Plessis this time, I really don't know if Israel Adesanya can take this again and win and get his championship belt back his eagerness was gone in winning this like he is not trying to win against Sean Strickland or having a hard time with him in the fight but I really want to see an Israel Adesanya VS Sean Strickland fight again or maybe getting a Strickland fight Dricus Du Plessis this time instead of Israel Adesanya.

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Just a quick question about upcoming event - arent you guy missing Chimaev? Since 2022 and covid, his career became, I dont know how to tell better, a mess? First he was to face Diaz, but wasnt able to make weight, showed middle finger to everyone and fought Holland in catchweight. Next fight in 2023 against Costa. Costa got injured and Usman stood on short notice. Against who, honestly speaking, Borz was dominating all the time. Now Whittaker, and against problems when the fight is about to happen. I am missing SMESH EVERIBADI !

As Dana White himself said, whenever Chimaev goes to fight he gets extremely sick and he is never near the UFC doctors so they can check and this ends up being unfeasible because they cannot do their own analysis and need to trust the fighter.

Food poisoning, injured, diarrhea, covid, and passport issues. All excuses he already used.
They're the ones being said over on Twitter, that's where Khamzat stays all the time since. Dana still books him, but having 1 or 2 replacements will be ready whenever the fight is near. Or it should be the other way around, he should be the replacement. He won't have to train harder and get injured if he is just a replacement.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 19, 2024, 03:46:19 AM

Just a quick question about upcoming event - arent you guy missing Chimaev? Since 2022 and covid, his career became, I dont know how to tell better, a mess? First he was to face Diaz, but wasnt able to make weight, showed middle finger to everyone and fought Holland in catchweight. Next fight in 2023 against Costa. Costa got injured and Usman stood on short notice. Against who, honestly speaking, Borz was dominating all the time. Now Whittaker, and against problems when the fight is about to happen. I am missing SMESH EVERIBADI !

As Dana White himself said, whenever Chimaev goes to fight he gets extremely sick and he is never near the UFC doctors so they can check and this ends up being unfeasible because they cannot do their own analysis and need to trust the fighter.

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^ Thanks for bringing it back to what we should be really be talking about... The next event. And yup, I'm really disappointed that it's not Chim vs Whittaker as I really think Whittaker has a good chance of winning. Chim is good vs lower tier fighters. But against the better ones like Burns and Usman, he doesn't bring a great performance. It's almost like he's getting slowly exposed.

Watch Chim vs Burns and Chim vs Usman again. It could be that he isn't as good as we thought. I even think Rakhmonov wins vs Chim.

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