Topic: The UFC Info and Prediction Thread - page 361. (Read 97129 times)

No no, that's really not the correct information here. What wiki is saying is that he's fighting weight is 93kg. That's because his division is LightHeavyweight and the limit there is 93kg, so that's the number wiki says is his fighting weight. It's still on that number because he actually hasn't fought in another weight class (since fighting in LHW) and therefore there is no record of any other weight. Now, keep in mind that fighters in all weight classes, for the most part, cut weight to get down to the limit of the category. LHW is no exception, Alex Gustafsson said he personally get's 'fat'' in between fights, and we have reports of fighters like Tibou, Till, MacGregor, Khabib Nurmagomedov, and so on, that started camps as high as 20 to 25 kg above the limit of their weight class and then cut down to the required weight.

So let's put Jones at a conservative 105kg walking weight when he is fighting at LHW (although I think it's more). That's all before he started putting on mass for fighting at HW, and that's quite different than just the walking wait, he is actually training and adequately addressing his nutrition to accommodate those gains.

Now let's look at the other side, Ngannou. His fight with Gane was recorded at 116kg. Heavyweights usually do not ballon much after weigh-ins because there would be no advantage in that as opposed to some lighter classes, and they are already way below the 120kg limit that the class has. Miočić for example had a walking weight of 109kg.

So with all of that in mind, the actual bout would not be so much different than for instance Miočić and Ngannou had, 5kg here or there, but that's mostly it, and at that weight class, that's more than tolerable of the lower weight fighter.

I didn't see that, thank you.
10 kg is a lot of weight to gain and that will slow him down by a lot. If he could not evade Ngannou's punches then it would be game over for him. Yeah, perhaps warming him up to the crowd should be the priority, build him up again so that more money will come in. Let their Twitter punches be a trend. 

Connor vs Jones will be more profitable for UFC. Dana would prefer that which I guess Connor lifts his weight for this reason and then not make Ngannou vs jones possible. Just another way to punish Francis for fighting back.

So many interesting matches in UFC 271. I doubt Whittaker will win, he just does not have the style. Adesanya experienced a hard time during the first clash with Whittaker probably made Dana decide to give it another go despite Whittaker being KOed. I'd go for Tai Tuivasa against Derek this time. This is going to be a boxing fight in which Tuivasa has more experience.

I don't think Whittaker can the "game of chess" too extremely, because he'll just be picked apart from a far. He needs to close the distance strategically, without actually getting clipped, which is easier said than done. However, if he can get close, and I imagine his threat of kicks will aid him into making Adensanya bite, he will have a outside chance of winning.

I'll be rooting for Izzy, however Whittaker is probably the only realistic option we have that's capable of beating Izzy when they're both having a good day. The chances are slim I'll admit, but the division likely becomes very stale without Whittaker at least threatening Izzy.

I'm hoping we get a few rounds before a finish, and see a real back, and forth fight which tests both fighters. I'm not sure what's left to do if Izzy wins again.

Adesanya must outperform himself in this fight after losing from Jan Blachowicz in his light-heavyweight division expedition.
I am sure Whittaker will give his best but Adesanya is just to good for him and best he can give is to survive all five rounds on his feet.
Just checked the odds on that one and Adesanya is huge favorite to win, odds to low in my opinion.

The next two main events are going to be great.  With Adesanya vs Whitaker, I don’t think we’ll be seeing the same type of match when Whitaker tried to make Gastelum’s style as some sort of blue print in beating Adesanya.  It think it’s going to be somewhat of a chess match.  We’ve seen both Adesanya do it before vs Yoel Romero and Whitaker vs Darren Till.  It could get boring for some people but dunno...  I think it’s going to be a tense 5 rounder for me.

For the event after 271, I just hope Fiziev worked on his gast tank.  We’ve seen him kinda slow down at R3.  Dos Anjos is no joke.

And thinking back about it, I think I’m going to be leaning on Strickland.  Not betting on it tho.  But Strickland isn’t somebody new in the UFC.  He has been with the UFC since 2014 and he’s 15 - 0 at 185.

The only fighter in UFC roster that can ask for a title fight after year of inactivity is Conor McGregor. Jon Jones is not the same star as Conor. Jon Jones might want what ever he want, but I think he should test his strength first against other opponent. That would be more profitable for UFC. If they throw him on Ngannou, and I think Ngannou would win, will people be interested in Jones then? Let him first try to win top heavyweight.

Remember when Adesanya tried fighting agains Jan Błachowicz ? How small he looked, and how easily Jan threw him to the ground. Wiki say that Jones Jones weight is 93kg, Ngannou 113kg. How much could Jones gain? 10kg? There is still 10kg difference. Ngannou would run over him without even noticing.

I just want to share, after this UFC Fight Night Hermansson VS Strickland I was really shaking in excitement after seeing the next big fights in UFC, we got to see in

UFC 271

Israel Adesanya VS Robert Whittaker - I am for Israel Adesanya here from their last fight Adesanya won via KO punches, history may repeat itself but as Robert Whittaker is very confident in taking Adesanya again I think this could end in a decision with Israel Adesanya winning it,

Derrick Lewis VS Tai Tuivasa - after his loss to Ciryl Gane and a win against Chris Daukaus he will be pit against Tai Tuivasa I know Tuivasa is an underdog but men he is proven his worth but I really think that Derrick Lewis has more power than him so I would stick to the black beast.

Jared Cannonier VS Derek Brunson - This match is a great one to see I really think it could be a close match but I have high hopes for Jared Cannonier, even though Derek Brunson has a high experience, with the game.



UFC Fight Night Dos Anjos VS Fiziev

Rafael Dos Anjos VS Rafael Fiziev - I could be wrong here so I don't have any pick yet, but I like Rafael Dos Anjos, but Fiziev is a new great thing that needs to look out to,

Johnny Walker VS Jamahal Hill - I don't have the knowledge yet about Jamahal Hill but Johnny Walker is a great fighter to look out for, but just like the main event for this event I don't have a pick yet,

Chas Skelly VS Mark Striegl - This I think is based on my support, on my fellow countrymen, he doesn't have a great start on the UFC and he better watch out to Chas Skelly's ground game, more likely Skelly had a high percentage in winning this but I still got hope for my fellow Filipino Mark Striegl.

All picks are not final and I am posting this for my excitement to subside just a little because I really need to take this all out, as I have said all picks are not final and still doing a little research and pick may still change except for the Adesanya VS Whittaker fight.

Yup I’ve been noticing the trend as of late too.  It’s like Mick Maynard and the guys in the UFC have been matching up these top prospects vs prospect killers...  I mean I’m a huge Chris Daukas guy and seeing him lose vs Lewis really easy made my heart sink a little.  Now I fear for my other favorite prospect, Rafael Fiziev.  He’s matched up vs Rafael Dos Santos in an event in a couple of weeks from now.    Sucks...

And dropping some vids.  Enjoy.  

UFC Free Fight:  Strickland vs Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44mlK_UzeM0

Hermansson vs Shahbazyan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7vZZFA3D04

Yeah, I've had similar opinions after watching him talk. Although, I wasn't sure whether he's just good at talking or was telling the genuine truth. I believe it was on a Joe Rogan's podcast that I heard him speak, about the time he either ran a red light or you were allowed to in that state. Well, he hit someone, and basically did a runner. Although, his reasoning seemed somewhat plausible at the time, and although it definitely does sound like a horrible thing to do at the time, people react differently in times of stress, plus I think he either brought up the point or Rogan did that being a black person in the US, and getting into an incident which requires police intervention, he was worried for his life too.

Anyway, he definitely didn't do the right thing on the day, however his reasoning to how he acted checks out.

Well I'm not saying he is a good guy or saint, he just comes across as pretty likeable and level-headed from what I've seen of his interviews, but obviously people can appear to be nice people but are actual sociopaths in reality. Most of his problems seem to stem from alcohol which he admits he's got a problem with so hopefully he's kicked the habit. He needs to get back into the sport though.


That wouldn't be a bad tune-up fight for Jones actually before facing Ngannou. I don't think it would be wise for him to go straight into that with being out of the ring for so long and it being hist first fight in heavyweight. If he blitzes Stipe it'll hype up the Francis fight a bit more as well.

Phil Hawes withdrawn from the fight.Sam has been fed to Brendan Allen now, which I can't see going any other way than Allen winning. Same as Strickland, although I'll probably put money on that fight going the distance.
I can't see Jones wanting to fight for anything, but the title. Plus, I'm not even sure he would want to fight Stipe. Ngannou or Gane seem the more logical moves  for Jones. Although, I'm not sure if this is a genuine offer or if Dana is trying to put some pressure on Ngannou.

I'm really not sure what to make of it, not sure I want to see Stipe against Jones either.

I don't know for sure, Based on the previous fights of Hermansson and Strickland I am seeing the potential for Sean Strickland than with Jack Harmansson in winning this, well that is what I think, Strickland is so good with the standing, and has a good takedown defense, even though Jack Hermansson had good wrestling if he can not execute it properly then it will not defeat Sean Strickland,


Well, I am pro in giving big payments to fighters that at risk of getting their life taken out, or lifetime damage to sustain to their body, and actually I have recently posted something here that UFC fighters need a voice to be heard by others, but I think this topic keeps going on and on I am just saying that there a fight that is about to happen and we should move on for now, but don't get me wrong it is a worthy discussion and a healthy one actually, but we can sure minimize it a bit, for some fight prediction, but whatever we can always discuss it here in the thread along with the prediction I think, but yes you are right in this kind of issue and it is not a small issue actually because if a UFC fighter is worthy to get a huge payment then I think Dana White needs to comply.

Even though you think it's harder for you to make correct predictions, you can still be the winner, you know, because, firstly, it's not easy to anyone, and secondly, luck plays its part, and no one can be less lucky than others, even if he wants to. Btw, why are you not that thrilled about the upcoming UFC event? What's wrong with it, in your opinion?

I am following some UFC news youtube channels and today interesting video appeared. UFC has contacted Stipe Miocic manager and offered a fight against Jon Jones for a interim heavyweight title. Why interim - because Ngannou will have a surgery soon. Why Miocic - because Gane just had a fight, Miocic is top2 and JJ needs a test fight in heavyweight before having a real title fight against a champ. This might be fake, but the whole scenario looks interesting.

You'd think so, I'm not sure how screwed on Jones is outside the ring in terms of saving, and investments, but he doesn't really give off the impression hes got a back up plan. He probably knows he can walk into a UFC contract, and get big money, so probably isn't all that concerned.

You know what, I remember listening to a podcast that Jones was on, and I remember going away from it thinking the media has portrayed him in a different light to what he really is, since he seemed quite a rational guy, who seemed to get into situations, and then handle them  badly at the time, which isn't really is fault in high stress situations. Though, with the domestic abuse claims, and all of that, I wouldn't go as far as to say hes a nice person, although come to think of it I never actually followed the stories enough to know if any of them were legitimate, and not just unproven claims.

We will if he gets enough $$$. I've seen fighters come back after breaks, even if they're not in their best form. You have to make money somehow and many will put their record on the line to make more. They know time is running out and the longer they wait the lower the chances of them getting a contract. The fight will rather depend on Ngannou because he had some health problems. It's estimated that he won't in the next 9 months. I feel like in the meantime Jones will get to fight someone else.

Jon Jones would be perfect evil character for Cobra Kai series, I think he was arrested several times for beating females, violence, drinking while driving, and who knows for what else.
I agree with you that he is a great fighter, but putting more muscles artificially in gym does not make him competitive in heavyweight division, especially with animal like Ngannou.
My opinion is that even Stipe Miocic or Ciryl Gane could beat Jones in heavyweight fight.

I just made my predictions, but I am not so thrilled about upcoming UFC event and that makes it much harder to make correct predictions.
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I think it's still worthy of discussion because it's seriously keeping both the sports of UFC and boxing back. We're going to lose great MMA fighters and be deprived of exciting cross-over events like Tyson/Ngannou. We also won't get new fighters signing with the UFC knowing that they're going to be stiffed. I know Dana is running a business and needs to make money but I think we can all agree fighters should be getting paid more. I don't think fighters should get greedy or too big-headed either but they should be paid what they deserve and Francis Ngannou should not be getting paid anything less than 1 million a fight right now. Dialogue about pay is good because it puts pressure on the UFC to make things right. Even that recent Jake Paul diss track is getting a lot of media attention and shining a spotlight on the restrictive UFC contracts so this sort of pressure is good because it'll likely lead to the UFC doing something about it to counter negative press. The UFC counts fighters as 'independent contractors' but they're really not. If they were then they could do what they want. They also have to wear all the UFC branded gear with the UFC sponsors on and normally all that sponsorship money would go to the fighters so that's another way they're getting stiffed out of money.


The only thing making me think that he will return is surely he's going to need some money at some point? Fighters usually need to fight to pay the bills and I can't imagine he's got many if any sponsors right now so what is he living on right now? The thing that gets me is is that Jones doesn't actually seem like a bad guy. Seems quite nice really but always gets himself into trouble. He just needs to come back and make a name for himself again and put his past behind him. Ngannou hasn't got many options left really for worthy opponents so I'd love to see this fight happen. It'll surely be a huge draw for the UFC and at least Dana is actively trying to make it happen but I'm sure it'll all come down to money and both fighters are going to be wanting big bucks for this.


Jones is probably more athletic and could have better cardio than Francis. We saw how tired he got in the late rounds with Gane so anything can happen. It would be an interesting fight but I'd hope for a spectacular Francis KO.


If Dana offered him the big bucks he'd probably fight tomorrow. I think he demanded 30 million to fight Francis if the articles can be believed: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/jon-jones-makes-huge-purse-23969454

Realistically for that sort of fight he's going to want a few million. Give them that and a decent cut of PPV sales so it gives them encouragement to sell the fight. Like I said before, if Brock Lesner can get 2.5 million then these two should be getting the same if not more. That's gotta be a far bigger PPV draw that Lesner. Who cares about a wrestler vs two of the all time greats?