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My Picks for UFC 270 and I can not wait to watch Cyril Gane VS Francis Ngannou in action, highlighted in green are my picks

Francis Ngannou VS Cyril Gane

Just like I have said, Francis Ngannou has no doubt got the power to knock out Ciryl Gane, maybe a 1 punch from him could definitely get him this win, but Cyril Gane has the speed and technique to counter Ngannou, in fact, there are sparring video that is floating on the internet showing that Gane has the capability of overcoming Ngannou but yes, Francis Ngannou can defend himself from those videos that he looks kind of weak and those videos were just a sparring match, well he is sure right about that, it is not that serious but if you look at that fight even though you can not see the full potential of Francis Ngannou and Ciryl Gane, you can sure see a small glimpse of what may happen inside the octagon, Ciryl Gane is rotating and finding Ngannou's spot, and giving him that straight punch that is connecting to the face, we all see that Ciryl Gane is more dominant from that videos, but not all is proven when it comes to a real fight, and Francis Ngannou is saying that he is a change man from those sparring videos, but so does Ciryl Gane,

Brandon Moreno VS Deiveson Figueiredo

From their first match, it was a draw, but I really think that Brandon Moreno won that fight, and if it isn't for that eye poke from Figueiredo that takedown should have gotten Deiveson Figueiredo defeated, well that is what I think, and from their 2nd fight, Brandon Moreno really is a badass when it comes in submitting Deiveson Figueiredo, that was one astonishing fight so my pick will be Brandon Moreno,

Cody Stamann VS Said Nurmagomedov

I really like Said Nurmagomedov to win this, and Cody Stamann once is not kind of a striking guy, he sure wants to punch and submit his opponent or take them to the ground, but I really think that Said Nurmagomedov was a better wrestler than Stamann but Said Nurmagomedov is really good at striking and is quick in his kicks and has a good takedown defense that is why Stamann would surely have a difficult time when fighting Nurmagomedov,

Kay Hansen VS Jasmine Jasudavicius

from Dana White's contender series Jasmine Jasudavicius 32 years old will debut against a 22 years old Kay Hansen and I think yeah older fighter has taken on a younger one and what may happen inside the octagon, I don't know why but I am really not fond of Jasmine Jasudavicius when it comes to striking, and with Kay Hansen, she has a boxing career back but has a record of 5 fights 1 win 4 losses so I think she could be dominant and familiar with boxing and a more versatile fighter than Jasmine Jasudavicius, so I will go to the beautiful and younger Kay Hansen.

Brandon Moreno is a great come back story, he was cut by the UFC in 2018 and then to have impressive performance outside the UFC and then return to the UFC and get to the belt is really cool. Deiveson Figueiredo have the power but Brandon Moreno have the heart and will not go down easily. It all depends upon the game plan they are planning to execute .

Main event i am going with Francis Ngannou because of his power even though Ciryl Gane is the best technical strikers in the Heavyweight division.

I also think that Deiveson Figueiredo would get his belt back. Their first fight was quite close imho, their second fight was strange, as Deiveson was more passive during it, then trying to defend his title. No offense, but Brandon Moreno looks like an accident champ to me (but still not as accident as Aljo ). He has not built a series of wins to be a true champ, he was like win-lose-win-lose-win-draw-champ.

I thought I was gonna change my mind after the weigh ins but no...  Ngannou looks solid for this match.  But the line movement still going towards Gane as the favorite is kinda weird to me.  I guess both the sharps and fans are on Gane.  I mean he’s not a huge favorite but I was just expecting the line to go a little bit to Ngannou by now and get him back close to evens.

So yeah my bets for the event...  All small bets, follow at your own risk.  

Ngannou at 2.29, Fig at 2.60.  Fig has been training at Fight Ready with and he looked good on the scale.  Fialho at 3.40, the match could be closer.  Stamman at 2.70, his opponent is not Khabib’s cousin.  Lol.  I also like Giles at 2.00 and will take a shot at Juarez 2.23.  Leeez gooo!

UFC 270:  Ceremonial Weigh ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE9KTslhUdE

Francis Ngannou (257) vs Ciryl Gane (247)
Champ Brandon Moreno (124) vs Deiveson Figueiredo (124)
Andre Fialho (169.5) vs  Michel Pereira (170)
Said Nurmagomedov (136) vs Cody Stamann (135.5)
Trevin Giles (170) vs Michael Morales (170)
Raoni Barcelos (135) vs Victor Henry (135.5)
Tony Gravely (135.5) vs Saimon Oliveira (136)
Jack Della Maddalena (170.5) vs Pete Rodriguez (170.5)
Vanessa Demopoulos (115.5) vs Silvana Gomez Juarez (115.5)
Matt Frevola (154.5) vs Genaro Valdez (155.5)
Kay Hansen (125) vs Jasmine Jasudavicius (125)

You know what? You just mentioned something interesting that I kinda avoided for a while. Ground game and grappling is almost nonexistent in the heavyweight division, especially when you compare it to lighter divisions. You would see it here and there in the old days with the Nogueira brothers, Frank Mir and Vai Cavalo Werdum, but it seems that was more in the way of submissions rather than continuous grappling. Heavyweights have become less and less attractive to watch because of that, at least to me. So yeah, I also expect there will be no grappling in this one.

Gane may be able to do his technique with Lewis like those low kicks and covering his chin with his elbows from big blows to prepare for the counter but it might not work for Ngannou because he is also fast, unlike Lewis. The strategy will be different for Ngannou. Ngannou's strategy will also be to avoid leg kicks. Both of them don't like ground fights so it will be a clash in the middle and the advantage for Ngannou is that both hands are powerful. A first-round KO bet will be good for this match.

In the UFC 270 Multi-Master Challenge thread there should be up to 13 matches but again there are a number of scheduled Fights that have been canceled or rescheduled in the next event, and now we have 11 fights instead of 13 Jared Cannonier vs Derek Brunson should be scheduled for this event but rescheduled to UFC 271,

and women's flyweight between Viviane Araújo VS Alexa Grasso was canceled due to injury on Viviane Araújo part, and the featherweight bout between Movsar Evloev VS Ilia Topuria should be scheduled for this event but Movsar Evloev withrew from the bout due to undisclosed reasons and was replaced by Charles Jourdain, but Topuria withdrew from the bout just before the weigh-in due to a medical issue from cutting weight and eventually, the bout was scrapped, I honestly like that bout but yeah Topuria has a problem,

Alexey Oleynik VS Greg Hardy should take place in this event but Oleynik withdrew from the event due to undisclosed reasons and was replaced by Sergey Spivak, and eventually, just a week Hardy withdrew due to a finger injury and eventually discarded from this event and  Rodolfo Vieira VS Wellington Turman was expected at this event, However, Vieira pulled out in the days leading up to the event and the bout was canceled,

There should be many good fights for us to savor and watch but eventually getting canceled and pull out from the event.

It's days after the best UFC card I've been waiting for this year. The only fight I'm interested in in this card will be heavyweight, between Ngannou and Gane, other fights are good but not as exciting as this fight. As for the fight, everyone favors Gane for this match. As a matter of fact, I've watched sparring videos with Nganno. Gane's footwork and speed are much better. If he can keep his boxing distance against Ngannou, he has a high probability of winning the match. He can do this with low kicks and counter elbows. I don't know, I have a feeling that Ngannou will hit a good punch and knock out Gane.

^  Yup, Gane puts his hands down and leans his head back to avoid getting hit.  It’s called the tall man defense.  That’s very dangerous vs a guy like Ngannou who hits like a truck.  But yeah I think early rounds Ngannou and if he doesn’t get a finish and he gasses, it’s gonna be all Gane til the final round.  Gane could even finish Ngannou.  Maybe...  Dunno.  But from a betting perspective, value is on Ngannou.  IMHO.  It might be one of those things when the match is done, we’d be going ‘wtf was everybody expecting?’.  Lol.

Live weigh ins is gonna be live in an hour or so.  I got my eye on Fig and Stamann.    If they look good, I think they’re live underdogs.

UFC 270:  Live Weigh In Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EUp-hhaIhY

About Gane movement, I have noticed that he due to his good footwork and head moves, he likes to dive under punches and counter attack. Ngannou beloved punch is an uppercut. This might end badly if one connects another. Also, in late round, when Gane feels confident he put his hands down (check his fight against Lewis). That half a second to put fists back to chin might not be enough against Ngannou. Despite this, I see no other weak parts in Gane.

Might be worth edging your bets on either Ngannou TKO or Gane via decision. I think we can all agree we don't realistically see Ngannou winning via anything else, and Gane probably has a slim chance of knocking out Ngannou.

Personally, I wish fighters weren't held ransom by Dana as much. They shouldn't be restricted in participating in a different sport to MMA, I get that Dana doesn't want fighters moving to another organisation, while still contracted to the UFC. I get that, but the only reason they'd do that is because of money, so make it worth their while, so they wouldn't have too.

Obviously, you'll get those that are just out there to make as much money as possible, so I get the idea of limiting it to other organisations, but to boxing? I don't think so. Maybe, Dana could potentially restrict it to signing on a multiple contract basis, but allow them to fight the one of fight every so often. It doesn't hurt Dana, and if a UFC fighter does well in boxing it could potentially bring in new fans to the UFC.

From an outcome perspective, I'd say Gane has a chance of submission, and points with a outside chance of knocking him out. While Ngannou has a chance of knockout, potentially a very slim chance of a submission. So, I'd say that purely from a outcome perspective Gane has the better probability because of his tools at his disposal. However, we know the power of Ngannou, but we also know the movement of Gane.

This is probably one of the hardest to call fights in the heavyweight division for some time. Completely opposite fighters, but you can never really rule out a power hitting such as Ngannou.

I did this mistake before: I watched UFC 267 pre-fight press conference with Khamzat Chimaev and Li Jingliang presenting among others, and it seemed to me that Chimaev was so nervous and insecure that he will lose the fight to Li Jingliang within 30 seconds. Yet, as we all know, this was not what happened.

Now, I know that Ngannou looks a bit underdogish for this fight, but I bet on him because, firstly, I like to bet on the underdog, you get high multipliers, and, secondly, in my personal opinion, Ngannou's chance of winning is above 50%.

Well he's only two years older than Tyson Fury. He doesn't really need stamina either. He'll almost certainly try end the fight within a round or two by just swinging one of those bombs and hopes he gets a KO, which is entirely possible in my opinion. I'd really actually like to see the Ngannou/Fury fight. Ngannou could easily knock Fury out but he won't outbox him but it will be interesting to see Fury pull out his best rope-a-dope and Matrix moves to dodge them.


I really can't call the fight at all. I think either Ngannou gets a KO or it goes the distance and Gane wins on points. It could end up being boring like the Derick Lewis fight if neither want to commit. I also wonder how much of Francis' heart is in this fight. Losing could be a win-win if it frees him up from his UFC contact. Him losing on points probably wouldn't be a bad thing for him. From what I understand it seems Ngannou is interested in re-signing with the UFC but wants a clause in his contract that allows him to box as well. Dana should probably compromise and give it to him or allow him to do it and get a 10% cut of the fight or something. It would be a huge loss for the UFC if he leaves and more more fighters will end up going when they know they can get get huge sums for these super-star cross-promotion boxing fights. Connor got an exception with Mayweather so it's not impossible. That was a co-promotion with the UFC and I believe Dana got quite a hefty cut of McGregor's purse so it's probably something he should consider letting some of the other UFC superstars do, otherwise he risks losing them all together. Win or lose in boxing Ngannou could probably retire on the paycheque he gets from Fury so it probably doesn't matter too much what actually happens and if he wins there'll probably be rematch for even more money.

I'm not sure if the video where they fight without headgear is a sparring video. But then surely this is to hype the fight. They may not say it loudly but they are becoming enemies for sure with his words against his word.

Do you guys think Francis will deliberately sell this fight to free himself from the UFC?
Going for boxing might just be worth it for Francis after all he will have a fallback if the plan doesn't work. If it were me, I'd take the shot of opportunity.

I actually wasn't aware of this, being contractually tied to the UFC basically if he continues to win. I'm not sure if this is something I should factor in when betting on the fight. I've been wondering if Ngannou has his sights set on something else over the horizon, and therefore might not be as well prepared as he usually is for fights, and therefore end up losing on that basis. Though, if this is true, and he truly wants to make the move to another sport or organisation, then it was be in his benefit somewhat to lose so he doesn't get contractually tied to keep fighting.

Although, like you rightly point out if he loses he loses a big part of that fear factor which is what will get him big money elsewhere. I'm wondering if vacating the belt would be the best option if he beats Gane. That way, he doesn't technically lose, but I'm not sure how well the UFC have tied up that contract.

I know there's been issues in the past where the UFC haven't allowed fighters to fight in other sports because technically they're still tied to it. I believe even retired fighters looking to make a move into boxing to get a little bit of a retirement fund. I can't for the life of me remember who it was though.

Oh! jeremypwr's Multi-master challenge thanks for sharing, will post later while I fix my list of picks,


That is why Francis Ngannou would like to switch on boxing, and he then added that he really like the sport of boxing, and speaking of UFC underpaid fighters, I think Francis Ngannou is on the right track in demanding higher payment, I think this is the most anticipated match on the UFC right now and well it can be a more profitable fight on the history of the event on the UFC, but Francis Ngannou needs to win this, he needs to prove himself to Dana White that he deserves much more, but this could even open a new book for Francis Ngannou if he losses,


Stake odds, 2.30 for Ngannou and 1.68 for Gane, well I think there will be different odds on different bookings and I think this is OK regarding the fact that both fighters could really win against each other, Ngannou with a 1 punch and Gane with his outstanding speed and movement, anything can happen inside the octagon.

I did say few days ago that I see value in betting on Francis Ngannou to win against Ciryl Gane, but there is some doubt because he is not laser focused this time.
He talked a lot and argued with Dana White, than he talked on twitter with Tyson Fury about making super heavyweight fight with him, so maybe his mind will not be 100% on Gane.
Whatever happens I think that this could be great fight to watch, and Jon Jones will have to take notes if he ever returns and stops with drinking and beating females.

Yeah, I kinda thought the boxing thing was just an add on to MMA, not a full on career, because that is a whole nother fiel to play in, and starting at 35...Not sure about that.


Yeah, but at the moment there is no one that can pay that much and still be on the level the UFCis. He might not be about the, sport, rather the money, and that's all good, but believe me, fighters start to get the 'who's the top dog in the world' itch, and he can scratch that only in the UFC, because if he goes to a smaller promotion that could pay him much more (and that's not Bellator), he can be a champ there for 50 years and people would still say that he is on top there, but really, the UFC is the only standard. That's unfortunate but that's how it is.

I though he wanted to try himself in boxing. But with stamina he has, there is nothing for him to catch there. He wont stand half of the fight against a real pro boxer, against someone with a good record. Besides, he is old. He is 35. I think it is unable to train your stamina at this age to be able to fight 12 rounds. He has been training mma since 2013, and before that did a year or two of boxing. Will he really be ready to stand against boxer that been training since childhood? You can be a successful boxer if the only skill you have is powerful punches.

All UFC fighters should probably be paid more, but superstars like Ngannou should be on a different pay level all together anyway and the minnows can't be expecting huge sums. Francis should be getting millions per fight, but he was complaining he's only been getting 500k (or that he's not going to fight for that sort of money anymore). The trouble is, I think Ngannou is looking for the sort of riches to be found in boxing which just isn't there in the UFC. Ngannou is probably thinking why should I fight for 500k-1 million or so when I can go fight a boxing heavyweight and earn 10 million on my own terms.

If I understand the situation correctly Francis has one more fight on his contract which will expire with his fight this month, but the UFC has a champions clause which means if he wins he has to have another fight so it could be an interesting situation if his contract keeps getting extended. If he wins (or keeps winning) then he's going to have to keep fighting, but if he loses his stock will drop and is someone like Fury going to want to fight him then? Ngannou's allure is that he's demolshing everyone within a round or two but if he doesn't do great against Gane interest could wane. Fury seems very interested in the fight from his recent social media posts though and it looks like there's serious talks behind the scenes but Ngannou's UFC contract is probably holding everything back. It could be a catch 22 for Francis though. If he leaves the UFC for boxing I doubt Dana will take him back if the boxing doesn't work out. I think Francis can knock anyone on the planet out, but he's not going to outbox people like Fury/Wilder etc. If he gets embarrassed in boxing he'll have no where to go but to Belator, but if he does knock Fury out it's going to be quids in for him so it's an interesting situation to be in. Either way, I'm really looking forward to the fight this weekend. Michel Pereira is on the undercard who is always an entertaining watch.