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Just got notice from Asicminer that we will be getting some of their sample chips. We are grateful that Friedcat contacted us with this great news and have forwarded the EE's mailing address. Hope to see some samples soon and we are also keen on helping the community build their own miners using the new Asicminer Chips. Let us hope there are plenty on offer in the coming months.

Note that we currently have in development the following range of Wasps and will likely be adding at least one new ASIC 28nm chip to this list soon pending negotiations.

A1 Wasp Proto-boards are now being tested.

Specifications:

    Developed on 28nm HPP process from Global Foundries
    Custom IC package with power bars for low voltage, high current feeding
    Configurable in daisy chain mode for distributed work with up to 253 ASICs.
    Standard SPI interface
    Hashing power of 25 GH/s in nominal and up to 40 GH/s in Turbo mode
    Power usage of 0.35 W/GH in low power, 0.6 W/GH in nominal and 1 W/GH in Turbo mode
    Supply voltage of 0.65V in low power, 0.765 V in nominal and 0.85 V in Turbo mode

BF2 Wasp Completed Design. Prototypes are now being fabricated.

Specifications:

    55nm process
    Full-custom hand-routed design
    Experimental low-threshold-voltage transistors
    QFN 48 7mm x 7mm package
    864 rolled hash cores
    Improved performance and lower power consumption
    Hashrate up to 3.85GH/s
    Power consumption as low as 0.45J/GH

AM BE200 Wasp Just Added. Wasp design will start soon.

Specifications:

    40nm TSMC process.
    Standard SPI interface.
    32 highly optimized hashing cores in single chip.
    The typical hash power is ~12GH/s in rated mode.
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Do you have a date of when you think the wasp will be available?

I will like to join the group! Wasp seems to be a nice group!

Let me know.  Grin

No date yet. As we are currently going through testing of the A1 Wasp. Electrically we are good so far. Firmware emulation code is ready. Once part of the EE team is back in Seattle burning the midnight oil on A1 testing we will have a better idea but we will release that information on our website once we are confident we have working boards that can be built. The hive is ready and is en route to the EE in Seattle. Once the A1 Wasp testing is completed boards will be shipped to the EE in the UK and the EE in California as well as some other sample boards to other members for testing. Once the 2 chip A1 Wasp is proven to work then a 6 chip version will be spun, tested and put into the Hive. The BitFury II Wasp is being worked on in conjunction with the A1 Wasp it is either in fabrication now or will be next week we are also now discussing a new project for the WPC as well that should be completed this summer.

Again our membership options will be discussed at our next meeting on Monday/Tuesday and we will be inviting members of the community that can help us specifically in marketing, hardware, software and firmware engineering as we want to expand our capabilities and spread the workload to more people. We will make an announcement about membership next week.
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Do you have a date of when you think the wasp will be available?

I will like to join the group! Wasp seems to be a nice group!

Let me know.  Grin
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No nothing negative whatsoever.

All positive moving forward opportunity type discussions.

Only thing that sucks is I have to be up at 3am to be at the meeting Tuesday morning.

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Monday Meeting for New Wasp Project:







We will have discussions on the new Wasp project offering for WPC members at the TS server. This time is subject to change so check in here or check your email inbox for possible time changes.

Agenda

    Funding
    Timeline
    Logistics
    SWOT


I hope this Jakarta time, not having anything to do with KL chip, or missing Malaysian airlines jet Smiley
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Important notice to WPC members.

We have sent out an new project proposal that we need you to review. Please check your inbox.

We will be having a meeting to discuss and determine the path forward for this new project on March 31st 2014. I will send out a new email for specific time as soon as I have contacted the EE team heading this new project on Sunday.

The current A1, BitFury2 Wasps, Website, Mining Pool, Hive and firmware/software projects are still moving forward and we will have them ready while we add this new project within that stream of work. As such the WPC will definitely need to source some new members and we will be sending out invites to specific people in the community to push our new and current projects forward. It is also our intention to revisit, as we mentioned before, re-opening membership to the community on a limited basis. We will have a notice about that next week.
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Do you have a list of vendors or means to purchase? I can purchase a tray of Bitfury 2 Chips and see this as viable.

No list of vendors yet as we need to get a working Wasp Hive system as bug free as possible and release it. We do have a number of people keen on fabrication but until we have released the Firmware/Software/Hardware details in a working format we just have to wait. We will only be working on the firmware and Hives over the next week. The BF2 Wasp should be in at the fabricator this week and prototype boards will be in the EE's hands by early April. The A1 Wasp will go through more rigorous testing after the Main EE gets back from the tropics!
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Do you have a list of vendors or means to purchase? I can purchase a tray of Bitfury 2 Chips and see this as viable.
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So I would guess yes. It looks like it and sounds like it but I have no idea why you have 2 of them...

That is good news since I have all needed for working with them...

Multiple people working on this so there were options to choose from the list above I think.

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So I would guess yes. It looks like it and sounds like it but I have no idea why you have 2 of them...

That is good news since I have all needed for working with them...
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Is that Atmel?

Would have to ask the EE... or I have to listen through the minutes again to find that out for you Lucko. I'll see what I can dig up on that.

EDIT:

Dug this up on our internal repository... hope that helps Lucko.

Atmel Dev Tools

To develop firmware and learn firmware development for AVR-based Wasps, we use the following tools:

TAGICE3
UC3-A3 Xplained dev board
XMEGA256-A3BU Xplained dev board
Atmel Studio (free download)

Atmel tools and development kits are available from ​Atmel, ​Mouser, ​DigiKey and other sources. Mouser and Digikey are recommended over Atmel since they usually ship more quickly.

The following videos provide a good introduction to the development process for Atmel parts and boards using Atmel Studio and Atmel Software Framework (ASF).

Software design process for the ASF
Getting Started 1
ASF Getting Started 2

These videos describe how to use Atmel Studio to create a customized ASF-based library for specific hardware and a single firmware application. Follow the described processes to learn how to write firmware for Atmel dev boards or non-wasp hardware.

For production wasp firmware, we will need to modify the processes described in the video since we want to create a single ASF-based library customized for wasp hardware, but this library will be used by many firmware applications: namely, one application for each for type of wasp and probably (a) test/diagnostic application(s) for each wasp as well.

MAX V CPLD Dev Tools

Tools for CPLD firmware are a development board, downloadable development software and tutorial pdf and video. Downloads may require login to free Altera account:

DK-DEV-5M570ZN development board
Quartus II Web Edition development software (free download)
My First FPGA Tutorial (login to free acct may be required)
Introduction to Quartus II and the FPGA (or CPLD) design process
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Is that Atmel?
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It's ALIVE!

A note from the WPC EE:

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I am blinking the lights!

So:

1. 3.3V regulator working
2. JTAG interface to UC3C working
3. Processor is initializing
4. ASF now working (took moving to Studio 6.2, since all UC3C was broken in 6.1)
5. 12MHz oscillator is working
6. Can do one LED - all 3 colors are working

Yay! (Finally!)



Download the Wasp P0rn movie here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3u-c97pGdlfdlI4Mk1SdE5NVFE/edit?usp=sharing
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Are you planning to make this opensource?

Yes

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4593829

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Introduction

The WASP miner collective (WPC) is working on designing open source hardware that can be used to run multiple different asic chips off the same device.
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Are you planning to make this opensource?
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Recent email exchange with the Fabricator and our EE. Testing will continue the rest of the week. Then our main EE will be off for a needed and long planned vacation next week. He will resume production and testing in the first week of April. The firmware / software and hive teams continue work on their areas as well as the WPC Mining Pool, Website, Share Exchange and Provisioning Server. Pictures of the board being hooked up for the first electrical tests coming tomorrow.

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From: Fabricator
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:15 AM
To: WPC EE
Subject: Pick up for Dual A1 Rev 1.0
 
Hi WPC EE,
 
The boards and remaining kit are ready for pick up. You can pay by cash or money order.
 
Thanks,
Fabricator

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From: Fabricator
To: WPC EE
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pick up for Dual A1 Rev 1.0

Hi WPC EE,
 
Forgot to mention that the total is $xxx.xx.
 
Thanks,
Fabricator

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Wow - that's wonderful. There's more business coming, in 3-4 weeks, depending on the board house. Prototypes (2 each) for BitFury x32 and A1 x4, and probably the rest of the DualA1's. Sometime after that, we will send you the Minion x2 prototypes, and probably the rest of the batch of the prior two prototype runs.

Thanks, for making the deadline, beating the price, and tackling a tough board.

WPC EE

 
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Meeting Notes from 15 / 03 / 2014

    A1 Wasp 2 chip test boards will be picked up in Seattle Monday.
    BF2 Wasp prototype boards will be fabricated next week.
    Minion Wasp is minimally 6 weeks out given chips from BlackArrow will be that long.
    AM2 Wasp no news on chips release date.
    More progress on firmware has been made.
    Hives have been built. Busbars to be built this week.
    WPC Pool working on server and security issues.
    Website, Share Exchange and Provisioning server still progressing.

Hive BP-1 Rev0 (Back Plane - 1. Revision 0.)
On several other threads you said - stay away from Innosilicon...so where you plan to source chips from then ?
And what chips you plan to put in WASPS for HIVES for all this to be usable ?


Let me clarify my own personal view on the alleged IP theft of the A1 chips.

First off, I suggested that in future people do not use Innosilicon for their ASIC production if they have issues with selling Bitmine.ch IP to pirates.

Secondly people should buy A1 Chips directly from Bitmine.ch or approved resellers not from companies that are stealing the IP.

I hope that clarifies my stance on that issue and I am basing this on what Bitmine.ch has posted as their position. I have not seen any post from Innosilicon on this issue.

We have very few companies out there willing to fabricate ASIC chips for resale and we should support reputable companies that do supply ASICs. Bitmine.ch / Zefir has supplied the WPC with our chips without delay or incident and we are happy to purchase our chips from Bitmine.ch in future. I would urge others to do the same who are licensing our products.
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Meeting Notes from 15 / 03 / 2014

    A1 Wasp 2 chip test boards will be picked up in Seattle Monday.
    BF2 Wasp prototype boards will be fabricated next week.
    Minion Wasp is minimally 6 weeks out given chips from BlackArrow will be that long.
    AM2 Wasp no news on chips release date.
    More progress on firmware has been made.
    Hives have been built. Busbars to be built this week.
    WPC Pool working on server and security issues.
    Website, Share Exchange and Provisioning server still progressing.

Hive BP-1 Rev0 (Back Plane - 1. Revision 0.)
On several other threads you said - stay away from Innosilicon...so where you plan to source chips from then ?
And what chips you plan to put in WASPS for HIVES for all this to be usable ?
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Meeting Notes from 15 / 03 / 2014

    A1 Wasp 2 chip test boards will be picked up in Seattle Monday.
    BF2 Wasp prototype boards will be fabricated next week.
    Minion Wasp is minimally 6 weeks out given chips from BlackArrow will be that long.
    AM2 Wasp no news on chips release date.
    More progress on firmware has been made.
    Hives have been built. Busbars to be built this week.
    WPC Pool working on server and security issues.
    Website, Share Exchange and Provisioning server still progressing.

Hive BP-1 Rev0 (Back Plane - 1. Revision 0.)






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Well there are more ways to skin the cat given there could be 4 or more ASIC chips that we push through as a Wasp. So that gives you a lot more freedom to explore price points especially if you have fabrication in a local setting. That will save you time and get miners in hand faster.
true  but:
1. Fabrication is not what it looks like. Even having Pcb bom schematics and everything a lot of experience is needed. For instance famous amt manufacturer Grin
2. For a fun project everyone is ok to loose some bugs but for business and profit I prefer miner which is ready to mine at reasonable price delivered tomorrow. Such miner does not exists still. All ants and whatever come from mother china are priced just around roi point if you are lucky. So my point is if you can get ready to mine unit from somewhere priced at x usd per GH chip price per GH should be around 30% tops.
That is all. Let them sell their chips though Grin to whoever wants them Grin

The options for self build or group build are a lot more desirable over most of the alternatives. If you are DIYing ROI really isn't why you would be building these. If you do have the cash and are looking for an alternative the modular design we are providing will be cost effective for large mining operations especially if you are looking to tune each chip to their maximum via software.

Given what passes for "pre-orders" these days this project could pay off depending on the chips and the coins you choose to mine. Experience is definitely required no one should be sinking thousands of dollars and up into this sort of thing unless you know what you are doing or have a team in place that has the experience to carry it through.

The WPC is not going to be fabricating for sale we will let others who have the drive and experience take that on. We are pretty confident there will be multiple fabricators for that will make them available to the community given the interest we have had already.
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