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Quote from: Wakate on March 08, 2023, 06:39:50 PM

I think op is just giving an opinion here about what he felt about some of the many casinos that we are using and we might not be aware of what is going on and how they might to cheating. This is time for many of us to be prepared and asking questions about some of the bugs some insincere casinos are having.

I have seen some gamblers complaining about some sites they are using and they keep making losing with knowing the cause. This could be real that is why we need to make sure that we are using a reputable casinos that are well to do.

Aside the provably fair and a casino being reputable it's not hidden that casinos are taking profits from gamblers. Every player needs to choose wisely the machine that has the payback percentage that'll suit their bankroll, because that's where the con starts. On the long run players still lose, so it's not a surprise thing if the provably fair feature is been manipulated by some casinos. Come to think of it, any casino that boldly writes on their terms and conditions “No Provably fair" would gain lesser customers. So, I think some of the casinos add provably fair on site without having such feature. Between not everyone can check or confirm these features. It's good to use reputable casinos like you said, but it's better to know these techniques and study how slot machines work. That will enable easy swapping of casinos whenever they begin to get shady.

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Everyone and anyone can judge on their own about these cases. The casinos are there to maximise the profit and players are aware of it of course. If you feel that the site is letting you down too often, to the point in which you can easily notice, then is time to think of migrating to another place. If you are suspicious, do some numbers - it is boring but useful.

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Quote from: Porfirii on March 09, 2023, 07:35:24 AM

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

You don't need to be a technical genius in order to verify provably fair algorithms in crypto gambling sites. Just did a random google search and found some helpful links.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-manually-verify-provably-fair-wagers

https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

https://dicetrue.com/provably-fair-checker/

These are just a couple of ways. Do your research!

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Quote from: Porfirii on March 09, 2023, 07:35:24 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on March 09, 2023, 02:11:22 AM

You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.

We should think that the casino is proven to be fair rather than thinking of things that can affect the pleasure we will get from gambling. And if he still thinks something is wrong with the casino, he can move to other casinos that can better guarantee that what they do is fair. But if he remains like that and can't control his mind, he should not have to play gambling rather than he goes crazy just because he thinks proven fair or cheating.

It will not stop there because he must think that if he loses gambling, it is because the casino is cheating on him and maybe he will complain to the public even though he is the one who loses because he is disadvantaged. We know that gambling is a profitable business for casino owners and we should not gamble with big money so that we don't think things.

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Quote from: cafter on March 05, 2023, 11:59:45 AM

We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system, that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts

Not all casinos cheat their players; there are some scam casinos. Still, when choosing an online gambling site, it's essential to consider factors such as reputation, licensing, and player reviews. It's also necessary to set a budget and gamble responsibly.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on March 05, 2023, 01:14:32 PM

Do not forget that casinos are more or less a business oriented organization. So therefore would want to make more profits to running the casino and also salary payment to her staff. Just like every individual, gamblers or bettors would want to make profit from gambling on casinos same it is applicable to casinos too. No one wants to loss. I some times feel the same way you too feel about casinos intentionally doing what they could to strap gamblers of their hard earned resources all in the name of gambling for fun. Although not all do it intentional but believe me you, they always want More gamblers to fail do they could make more profits to their coffers. I think sometimes the issues of account ban and suspension must likely be that the casino might be running short of funds do would probably generate more funds from that act of theirs in banning and suspending accounts but they would not say it for us to know rather they would find fault and do the dirty job on people's account and funds.

The owner of every casin always thinking that they will not getting loss be cause for them casino is business and also like you said above they have many personal or let says staff which is they need to pay all of them. And one the best of casino is that banning suspicious accounts which is they get that specific accounts cheating and that's against the rules and regulations then that will automatically banned that account .

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Quote from: Haunebu on March 09, 2023, 02:11:22 AM

You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.

Well, for me personally, I've never really cared to know if a casino is probably fair or not, possibly because I don't know how to check this as well.
Knowing that casinos are designed to win in the long run, makes me put fun first when ever I decide to play some gambling games, this helps me not to count the losses as anything since i know beforehand that the losses are natural.

When winning money becomes paramount in my head, I go for betting instead, since I know that betting depends more on how good you know the team you are betting on, likewise a very small amount of luck.

Indeed, until it touches you, you will always assume that you have already checked and evaluated everything as required. But when faced with an unfair casino and losing your money there, you may have the illusion that this will not happen to you anymore and now you are already going to another gambling establishment in the hope of recouping, the truth is that there are actually not so many trusted online casinos.

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Quote from: Porfirii on March 09, 2023, 07:35:24 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on March 09, 2023, 02:11:22 AM

You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.

Well, for me personally, I've never really cared to know if a casino is probably fair or not, possibly because I don't know how to check this as well.
Knowing that casinos are designed to win in the long run, makes me put fun first when ever I decide to play some gambling games, this helps me not to count the losses as anything since i know beforehand that the losses are natural.

When winning money becomes paramount in my head, I go for betting instead, since I know that betting depends more on how good you know the team you are betting on, likewise a very small amount of luck.

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Quote from: Haunebu on March 09, 2023, 02:11:22 AM

You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.

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If you gamble only what you can afford to lose in every game, you will have less to worry about when you start winning big. Making money through gambling may seem impossible at first, but if you risk only what you can afford to lose, you will have less to worry about.

To avoid scammers, make sure you practice your gambling skills on a reputable gambling website, I know some scammers have come up with attractive new gambling websites, and they have it in mind to never run the platform for too long, the only way to avoid them is using reliable gambling websites only.

Also, try to understand that you can't always win, it's a big loss for casino runners if all players keep winning.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 08, 2023, 07:05:53 PM

What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.

- If we are not careful, we will fall prey to the scammers here who enter this industry. So we are free to do research first before entering a gambling casino that we are going to put money into.

Then we will not see a casino where all gamblers who entered and gambled on their platform that all gamblers won, instead most players lose on a gambling platform and this is the truth because it is simply a business field.

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You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 08, 2023, 07:05:53 PM

What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.

I really like your statement and it is true that gambling is a company or business that wants profit from its customers and also not all gamblers always lose and also don't always win.
because for fair betting, some of the bets on this forum also provide gamblers with profits or wins, even if sometimes it's just a small win.
so actually between gambling sites that win and gamblers who lose it is something natural. because this is a gambling site, we already know that gambling is just luck.

so it's like the OP who experienced a loss at any online gambling site, that's a natural thing and there's no need to share about the defeat and accuse the site of being a fraud.

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For an experience gambler you don't need to be told for you to know that these gambling sites or casinos ain't structured to function in your best interest. Should they keep having in flows of winnings how then cam they survive in the business environment, am not sure!
It's left for you the gambler to DYOR and reviews about the probable fair system of any gambling sites or casino you wish to gamble with over the years or better still sticking with older gambling sites that have proven themselves over the years is much reliable to these new emerging ones.

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If you are playing on a trusted site, then you don’t have to worry about its provably fair system. These sites have been operating for many years and have won the trust of many gamblers, so rather than getting the feeling of being cheated, you should test the fairness of the games on these sites. I am sure that, along with the seeds and fairness, they also have features on how to test that the site is fair. I cannot guarantee you the same about the new sites, but the old ones are always fair. And regarding the loss you are making, gambling means equal chances of getting losses and profits. So play accordingly.

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Quote from: cafter on March 05, 2023, 11:59:45 AM

We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system, that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,

Not all gamblers do know how provably fair works that's why your best shot that you are playing in a good casino is to look at its reputation. You can bet that these reputable gambling sites will not cheat their users as to why they should do it in the first place. Getting many users to play on their site is a hard thing to do and they won't surely ruin their famous status just for that.

If you always doubt gambling sites due to those issues then maybe, it's time to leave gambling and focus on other things.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 08, 2023, 07:05:53 PM

What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.

If you are really that impulsive on finding new casinos and testing it out then you are really that bound on getting scammed because not every new casino turns out to be that legit and this is really a casual thing
that do happens around.
Its true and i agree on what you have said that gambling isnt always talking about winning and of course those casino or platform owners are here on making a business and not a charity on letting their
users do win up but we know that on a fair way and as long there's a house edge then gamblers would be always at disadvantage.

This is why if you are really that been bothered about being scammed, then always stick out with those known and reputable platforms.

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What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on March 08, 2023, 05:36:40 PM

You need to carry your research about a casino before choosing them as your most preferred for gambling, you make deposit into their casino wallet and use your stake on varieties of bet all because you still trust them, then why must you know everything from their own end which does not have to concern you, once you start to doubt about a casino then it's better to give a pause and reset your choice by finding another which could be more preferred, but how long will you keep into this.

I think op is just giving an opinion here about what he felt about some of the many casinos that we are using and we might not be aware of what is going on and how they might to cheating. This is time for many of us to be prepared and asking questions about some of the bugs some insincere casinos are having.

I have seen some gamblers complaining about some sites they are using and they keep making losing with knowing the cause. This could be real that is why we need to make sure that we are using a reputable casinos that are well to do.

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Quote from: UserU on March 05, 2023, 12:28:38 PM

That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.

House edges were designed in order to at least give the online gambling company the "edge" when it comes to the bets. Given that gambling is a double-edged sword, this somehow guarantees that the odds are on their side in order to avoid them from going bankrupt. As well all know, these gambling companies are businesses- in which their primary focus is the earning of profits.

In order to counter this, some reputable companies explicitly mention the percentage of their house edge in order to keep the advantage on their side. Of course, the players are free to choose whether to continue or not but this is what keeps these online casinos alive and profitable.

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