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Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.

If you check out the Youtube video shared by OP, you would realize that they are not taking about scamming people explicitly, but rather it is a anonymous denunciation of some alleged practices of the industry. A scam (in the simplest way) occurs when the casino denies you your money, but data collection, tier systems, customer management is neither illegal or a scam, as far as I know.

As I said, there are companies (of all kind, not only casinos) which have devious morals and seek profit through unmoral ways. It is matter of being aware or them and seek better alternatives. That is one of the reasons some people opt not to buy Apple, Adobe, or even Google products.

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If you think that the casino you're using is not fare enough in their activities and not been transparent as well to your taste and standard you're free to leave for another, but remember that you're not sure of where you're heading to as well because bo one is perfect, but we all were working towards perfection including you experiencing this, so why should you get bothered on something that's just not worth considering by some other people that gambles.

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Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.

But on the time you do make out some thread about accusations then you should be sure on providing solid evidences because if you do really just make out some post basing up with some hunches then you would be ending up on getting ignored because you would be treated for some troll.This is why on the time that you would really be making out some claims that they are cheating then be sure that you
do really give out those solid proofs or else you would really be bashed.

We cant really make out some conclusions until its proven.If you do have hunches on being cheated or not fair then try to prove out, if failed then dont bother on
opening accusations in towards a particular site.

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No casino forced out money from our pocket so since we are not forced to gamble why then should we complain about being scammed because we gamble and lost, this is not appropriate and we should learn to accept our mistakes and take responsibility for our actions.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on March 10, 2023, 04:21:47 PM

It's hard to say or prove online gambling to be fair or not. The most you could do is rely on the reviews from other players and the means to testing for fairness. There are some algorithms that have been preset which depends on the input from your data set to get a final result and there arr regulations to ensure this. I think it does work and you just have to go with it. In the event that you ain't sure, there are other things to do or parts to gambling that you could wrap your head around its fairness. Like in the sportsbook, though you might argue about games being fixed but, what plays out in the arena is the most you could get.

So as a responsible gambler we should know to read whether a casino is a legitimate one and how many gamblers say whether it is a good place to gamble.

Because sometimes even if a casino's reputation is good, that doesn't mean it can't make mistakes with their players on their platform,
of course that's not the case. Then others should also understand that the provider is different from the casino gambling platform itself as far as I know.

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That the reason why some gamblers don't want to risk anymore with the casino just newly start because its hard to trust your money with the casino does not build already a good reputation and credibility for the users and we cannot blame them but those people who make a good feed back with this newly casino can bring a good chance of more players because by themselves they experience already getting with the things they need to make sure they enjoy the game which this is mostly happening as a personal preference.

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Here is my input as a high stakes gambler:

All of these casinos have departments or people specifically monitoring winning accounts (withdrawals etc)

If the account wins too much, they can limit their stakes. (Happened to me. Highly unethical.)

Another thing to consider, there is absolutely nothing stopping the casino from giving you bad seeds or adjusting your win percentage algorithm to stop you winning.

A casino is a business, if you take their money they eventually have to close. Although this should be offset by 99% of losing accounts.

However some casino's are so greedy that they won't even allow the 1% to win... (prime dice)

Essentially, casino's are nice as long as you keep giving them money. But if they start to lose more often than not you are an immediate problem - and it's no longer "fair".

My worst experience has been with primedice, where my account was destroyed with limits and then set to lose.

By the way a casino license from Curacao has as much regulation as a curry house in northern Cambodia.

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They have the system and the access to our activities so probably they are doing this but they can't fully implement this or else their probably fair system will be compromise.

The house will always have the edge and advantage against the gamblers because this is how their business works and I don't think they are scamming us when we know in the first place that casinos always win no matter what strategy you are using against them, and somehow the law allows them to practice such system.

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Quote from: Daltonik on March 10, 2023, 02:35:57 AM

Simply having provably fair for some games is certainly a desirable aspect in gambling, but it is not applicable in most modern licensed slots, and can also be used in simple newly created online casinos to create an impression of fair play, but then simply refuse to pay funds. Very vague rules prescribed in many TaC allow you to block a player simply by referring to abuse on his part.

A gambler should simply stick to a trusted and reputed platform if they play with big money and don't want to face any issues like that. Having a provably fair system surely gives the casinos an edge over those that don't have it but as you said, new or not very trusted casinos can also misuse it, so a player should only play at a casino where they know their funds will be safe.

A casino that has been around for a while will likely never confiscate the funds of a player by making excuses, at least I've not seen that happening. But new and untrustworthy sources can surely do such things. So it's better to just stick with the best if you have a high value on stake.

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Quote from: cafter on March 05, 2023, 10:59:45 AM

We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system, that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do.

I don't really call it cheating, but let me ask you a question: can you open up a business in which your primary purpose is different from making gain? If yes, from what end will you be making the money that you will use to cover all the expenses that it will cost you to maintain the business?Let's forget the fact that most casinos promise users a comfortable environment for fun. Casinos and their owners are primarily out there to make profit, so they design their systems to favor them most and favor a few of the players. That's just how I view it, no matter what angle I want to look at it from. That's why gambling is just like a game of luck; if you win, it's to the detriment of the other users who lose, and most of the time the losses are always greater than the number of wins casinos usually have, with the highest percentage going to the platform. It's just how it is.

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Quote from: QueenVera on March 10, 2023, 05:55:22 PM

I'm obviously one of the persons who at some points doubted the casino especially when I'm making rapid losses in a roll and don't see any reason to make those loses.
I came to learn and realize lately that the casino is a business and at such, no matter how provably fair a casino might claim to be, I believe that casino is a business and most times the games are been programmed to be at the favour of the game house and I'm also sure that no one starts any business to make loss and gambling and casino being a business, isn't exempted.
I can't tell if they're scamming us, but I want always see myself win if no matter what their intentions might be.

Maybe yes or no, but these casinos are also monitoring our activity. Playing luck base games is somewhat easy to manipulate and has been programmed, unlike sports betting. But yes, as we are in gambling we can never expect to win all the time. If we lose, we never have to blame the sites unless we have a solid evidence that could point out that they are doing something.
It was to know that before we gamble, we expect losses already. Sounds disappointing but the house don't let things happen that they will bankrupt because everyone is winning.

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I'm surprised that many posters in this thread take this suspiciously looking video seriously. Guys, it's just a clickbait, and nothing more than that. There's no logic in it, imo. "Gambling is used extensively around the world to launder money", says the mysterious guy in a mask. So, is it there for laundering money, or for scamming regular gamblers? Because, those are different things, you know.

Reputable gambling sites don't analyse your betting in any way. They don't have such software, and they don't need to do that, in the first place, because they are making good money from the house edge, and that's it. The guy is just a clown.

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In general, gambling sites have the edge, which is why they operate their businesses profitably, and the industry as a whole is profitable as well. Choosing a site is very important, as some sites do not have a good reputation. It's not fun gambling on those sites, knowing that they are just cheating their customers. So always look at the reputation and start by looking at the sites listed in the forum. If you lose, it's because you don't have the edge.

With reputable gambling sites, you will win if you are lucky. For gambling sites that cheat, you'll never win. That's the huge difference.

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Quote from: Heartilly on March 10, 2023, 04:14:58 PM

Regarding this, don't just look at the reputation of the gambling site but rather the reputation of the game provider.

There are game providers that are proven to have a fair algorithm that everything is really random.

I don't like to play on a game provider that is not popular and is not supported by the most popular online gambling sites.

I don't agree with your statement.
we as gamblers are definitely the first to choose gambling based on its reputation first. for me you say don't look at the reputation of gambling it's like the first mistake when choosing gambling. because for me a casino that has a good reputation of course they also have a provider that has a good reputation too.

and for me choosing good gambling by researching myself through real reviews like this forum. because this forum is for me one of the real gambling review places compared to review sites which usually have fake reviews. I mean there is a gambling review site that pays someone to leave a positive review even though the casino site is a scam.

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Quote from: QueenVera on March 10, 2023, 05:55:22 PM

I'm obviously one of the persons who at some points doubted the casino especially when I'm making rapid losses in a roll and don't see any reason to make those loses.
I came to learn and realize lately that the casino is a business and at such, no matter how provably fair a casino might claim to be, I believe that casino is a business and most times the games are been programmed to be at the favour of the game house and I'm also sure that no one starts any business to make loss and gambling and casino being a business, isn't exempted.
I can't tell if they're scamming us, but I want always see myself win if no matter what their intentions might be.

Casinos are a business, and we must realize they also want to benefit from those losing gamblers. We will find it difficult to win from the house because, in the end, the house will always get more money. And if we don't want to lose a lot of money, we have to be able to protect ourselves by limiting the use of money so that we don't lose a lot of money.

I don't think they are cheating, especially if I play in a trusted casino. Trusted casinos don't want to damage their reputation built for a long and only want to satisfy their customers.

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Quote from: cafter on March 05, 2023, 10:59:45 AM

We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system, that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

they aren't scamming. The odds are set in the casinos favor.

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I'm obviously one of the persons who at some points doubted the casino especially when I'm making rapid losses in a roll and don't see any reason to make those loses.
I came to learn and realize lately that the casino is a business and at such, no matter how provably fair a casino might claim to be, I believe that casino is a business and most times the games are been programmed to be at the favour of the game house and I'm also sure that no one starts any business to make loss and gambling and casino being a business, isn't exempted.
I can't tell if they're scamming us, but I want always see myself win if no matter what their intentions might be.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on March 10, 2023, 04:21:47 PM

It's hard to say or prove online gambling to be fair or not. The most you could do is rely on the reviews from other players and the means to testing for fairness. There are some algorithms that have been preset which depends on the input from your data set to get a final result and there arr regulations to ensure this. I think it does work and you just have to go with it. In the event that you ain't sure, there are other things to do or parts to gambling that you could wrap your head around its fairness. Like in the sportsbook, though you might argue about games being fixed but, what plays out in the arena is the most you could get.

If op think that they are scamming us then it shouldn't be every casinos. It is still obvious that there are some casinos that would not mind to scam there customers just to make some bucks from them. There are many genuine casinos here in this forum that would not want to choose that part. Many op had have few bad experience with some casinos that is why he wouldn't mind tagging all casinos that they are using many ways to make sure that they keep eraning from us in an unfair manner.

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For those who are really that having doubts about being fair then its up to you whether you would really be that going or being dubious about their fairness but for me i dont really care that much
as long i do deal with the known or popular sites on where most people been playing on.

This is what I agree with. Even though I don't have that technical knowledge regarding verifying the provably fair of casino games, as long as I'm playing with a reputable gambling site, I should consider myself as somehow safe at using their service.

These popular sites will not just be turned into scams as they are registered legally and I don't they will exchange a small penny for the trust they have built.

If having trouble choosing a reputable site, OP can read those ANN threads and from reading the discussion there, OP should tell if the site is legit or not.

It is really doubtful if you will go to a casino or not so popular sites that are not registered. For you to have calmness while gambling in a casino or site, why try to do research about it first, right? Those sites do not force you to go in to them. In the end, it's still your decision. If you think it's a scam why go and spend money on it? As I was once a gambler before, I don't think it's not fair because in gambling you don't have a 100% probability that you will win or lose. Sometimes it's just timing and luck.

Would really be just common sense on where you should really make yourself that get involved with on which it would be that preferable if you would be sticking into those known and reputable sites.
Even though its not really that we could say that they are 100% safe but basing up on the condition and the reputation that they do have then doing or acting up some shady things isnt something
that could happen or exchanging their reputation on just mere amounts but somehow its never been that a guarantee on giving out that full trust but well as long you do play on amounts
which you could afford to lose then it wont really be that much of an issue.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on March 10, 2023, 04:21:47 PM

It's hard to say or prove online gambling to be fair or not. The most you could do is rely on the reviews from other players and the means to testing for fairness. There are some algorithms that have been preset which depends on the input from your data set to get a final result and there arr regulations to ensure this. I think it does work and you just have to go with it. In the event that you ain't sure, there are other things to do or parts to gambling that you could wrap your head around its fairness. Like in the sportsbook, though you might argue about games being fixed but, what plays out in the arena is the most you could get.

I do think that online games result such as slots, dice, crash are pre-programmed or pre-sets, its that it needs to be triggered to happen which gives way to provably fair which means once a pre-set result is triggered, it is verifiable and transparent and cannot be changed.

Quote from: serjent05 on March 10, 2023, 04:08:52 PM

Not at all, there are some instances where dealer are caught cheating on live games see this video how the dealer flip the front card just to get the next card to win the round: https://youtu.be/7PGasgpAJ1o?t=20

I think a game operated by a person has way more flaw and prone to cheating than machines that follow provably fair games.

Lol that guy expression show that he is planning to do something unexpected, alas he is not fast enough to get unnoticed.

Quote from: Heartilly on March 10, 2023, 04:14:58 PM

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on March 10, 2023, 02:25:21 PM

I will likely say that the manipulation of the outcome of a game can only be common when it comes to slot games

Regarding this, don't just look at the reputation of the gambling site but rather the reputation of the game provider.

There are game providers that are proven to have a fair algorithm that everything is really random.

I don't like to play on a game provider that is not popular and is not supported by the most popular online gambling sites.

Definitely we have to look at the reputation of the gambling site. Reputable gambling site won't any provider to make their reputation bad, so they will select provider that offers the best service and also reputable.

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