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legendary
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..like bright metal on a sullen ground.
April 08, 2017, 02:09:19 PM
oh.. i dunno.. maybe because someone in their late 70s/80s with severe schizophrenia needs to take a break once in a while?  Cheesy

Can you find one shred of evidence to support that? Any report at all that he was tired or having difficulty during those periods?

Well, this video was published in 2015... I'm not sure when he spoke but you may have a point, in this video he looks in tip-top physical condition (crossfit maybe?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUyCO3FXHS4

"The Bitcoin might not be it..  but.. if you had gold which is a step towards honesty or silver.. silver..  if you had silver... that was argent..in French.. it becomes intrinsically honest.." -John Nash

Did Nash also collaborate with Coblee on Litecoin ("Silver to bitcoin's gold") ?!?  Lips sealed ("more complex ideas") Huh
http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-silver-bitcoins-gold/

John Nash died on May 23rd, 2015 with litecoin near an all time low, still under $2. Note that his death occurred literally days before one of the biggest pumps in litecoin's history when it peaked over $8 during the following weeks  Shocked
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 01:33:21 PM
What do you think of my theory of Nash in the original alt coin scene?

Me? I quoted it to other thread. I don't know what to think of it.
jr. member
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April 08, 2017, 01:32:11 PM
oh.. i dunno.. maybe because someone in their late 70s/80s with severe schizophrenia needs to take a break once in a while?  Cheesy

Can you find one shred of evidence to support that? Any report at all that he was tired or having difficulty during those periods?
What about finding some people close to Nash's son? I think he could answer a lot of questions regarding this stuff. But we have to take action, not discuss Rothschilds and NSA. Unfortunately, I'm from central Europe, so I can't take action in a way as suggested...
newbie
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April 08, 2017, 01:29:33 PM
What do you think of my theory of Nash in the original alt coin scene?
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 01:25:10 PM
oh.. i dunno.. maybe because someone in their late 70s/80s with severe schizophrenia needs to take a break once in a while?  Cheesy

Can you find one shred of evidence to support that? Any report at all that he was tired or having difficulty during those periods?
legendary
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..like bright metal on a sullen ground.
April 08, 2017, 01:22:00 PM
I don't buy a "genuine inexperienced coder" postulate. I would only agree with "experienced coder with no experience in C++". I extensively reviewed early Bitcoin code and I see patterns of writing style and design that aren't congruent with a genuine lack of experience in coding.

I hold no opinion on who Satoshi is, but my professional opinion about the code base is (either, equiprobable):

1) experienced programmer or manager from an organization that used older languages (like COBOL, MUMPS, FORTRAN, SIMSCRIPT, etc. ) doing his/her first project in C++;

Nash was proficient coding Mathematica and presumably he learned Fortran in college. And presumably he was programming at RAND.

But afaik, all his programs were small.

But I also have my doubts about Nash coding a large scale application in C++ (something which he had obviously never done), which is why I never put much weight in the theory, but I was shocked to find the other strongly corroborating evidence I explained.

Why did Nash disappear from publishing and public touring from 2004 to 2006? And again from 2008 to 2010. Why does he never get a detailed response or account of how Bitcoin relates to his ideal money?


oh.. i dunno.. maybe because someone in their late 70s/80s with severe schizophrenia needs to take a break once in a while?  Cheesy
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 01:19:23 PM
Exactly my thinking, posted similar though in another thread Smiley

Doesnt look like code made by institutes or scientists, or mathematician but from software industry like engineers Smiley

Nash mostly did coding for mathematica, and more looking like mathematician code with arrays matrixes and operations, with groups, subset, and math concept, mathematician tend to see programs as linear system, or group theory and program libs or scripts for mathematica, not portable c++ app with boost & openssl & qt.

no its just language.  Szabo did it.  Maybe finney.  A good idear wouldn't do the code himself.  Why would he?  He just hypothosized philosophy.

We are just inferior.  We think philosphy can't changt ethe worl or shpae the uni.

Sorry you are incorrect. You don't understand the very strong distinction between these disciplines. @IadixDev and @2112 have made a good point.
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 01:07:52 PM
Ah and the truth comes out. OP is just a trolling kid with too much time.

And you have added no substantive information other than complaining about your dick size. Your post was entirely vacuous. Do you have anything to say?

ad ho·mi·nem

You sir, are a shitty troll. Try harder.

The pot calling the kettle black.

Still you have nothing to say.

You are just trying to flood the thread with noise and strife like a typical dickhead. Can't you learn to suck yourself? Or use two hands so the keyboard remains free for something worthwhile to use.
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
I don't buy a "genuine inexperienced coder" postulate. I would only agree with "experienced coder with no experience in C++". I extensively reviewed early Bitcoin code and I see patterns of writing style and design that aren't congruent with a genuine lack of experience in coding.

I hold no opinion on who Satoshi is, but my professional opinion about the code base is (either, equiprobable):

1) experienced programmer or manager from an organization that used older languages (like COBOL, MUMPS, FORTRAN, SIMSCRIPT, etc. ) doing his/her first project in C++;

Nash was proficient coding Mathematica and presumably he learned Fortran in college. And presumably he was programming at RAND.

But afaik, all his programs were small.

But I also have my doubts about Nash coding a large scale application in C++ (something which he had obviously never done), which is why I never put much weight in the theory, but I was shocked to find the other strongly corroborating evidence I explained.

Why did Nash disappear from publishing and public touring from 2004 to 2006? And again from 2008 to 2010. Why does he never provide a detailed response or account of how Bitcoin relates to his lifelong and recent obsession with ideal money?

The theory of Nash working with a secret group seems most attractive to me. And the group made it appear that Bitcoin was code by amateurs. But how would you get Nash onboard to do such a thing? And would Nash trust such a group? Well Nash is very rational about game theory and he was always emphasizing the benefit of the group in game theory, so perhaps he could have been rationally persuaded.

in the movie it depicted that Nash didn't converse with intelligence agencies and it was part of his mental illness.  Truth was yes he did, evidence:

https://steemit.com/movie/@jokerpravis/an-interesting-scene-from-the-movie-a-beautiful-mind

Yes that is important. And I wonder if Nash outsmarted his elite handlers? That has been my thesis.

what is a good programmer?

If you need to ask, then it would be difficult to explain it to you succinctly. Good programmers know it when they see it.
newbie
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April 08, 2017, 01:02:56 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nasakioto-28684

More interesting evidence. Based on this new theory that Satoshi wanted altcoins, lets examine one of the original altcoins, ixcoin.

The dev , thomas naskioto (anagram for satashi nakamoto) hasn't been heard from since early 2015. The ixcoin.org domain expired shortly after in june. It would make sense that this was also Nash.

So I generated my first 2 blocks less than a second apart.

Why do you say "16*6=96 IXC" when "96 IXC" would suffice¿?¿ 16*6 means nothing as far as i can tell

16*6 is a reference to the X in Ixcoin, as in Hex/Hexadecimal/16.




Interesting math based quote, from maybe a mathematician?

Edit
Possibly the strongest evidence is this
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1616394

Tldr. Nash's death lines up with the loss of the original .org site, he was paying monthly, died in May, .org is lost in june
legendary
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April 08, 2017, 01:00:25 PM
Ah and the truth comes out. OP is just a trolling kid with too much time.

And you have added no substantive information other than complaining about your dick size. Your post was entirely vacuous. Do you have anything to say?

ad ho·mi·nem
ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adverb & adjective
adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

You sir, are a shitty troll. Try harder.

Btw, all of your double bumps have been reported. Sorry about your enormous spammy post count going down newbie.
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 12:47:27 PM
I just don't understand why "Satoshi" is so important to OP, as if he is OP's long lost biological father.

I don't understand why assholes feel so protective that they have to troll my thread with vacuous posts that add nothing to the topic of the thread.

I am genuinely interested in trying to understand the strong evidence. I have intellectual curiosity.

Why you trolls can't find something else to do yourselves? If you aren't interested in this discussion, then leave the thread. There are many other threads.

I never create moderated threads. But if you fuckers don't stop, I may have to lock this thread and create a new one that is moderated. Please stop being dickheads.

If you want to have a sincere discussion of the evidence, then please participate.
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 12:43:50 PM
I just don't understand why "Satoshi" is so important to OP, as if he is OP's long lost biological father.
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
#99
im still laughing from when "iamnotback" was arguing with himself "trainscarwreck"

lol.  OP is the same guy as 'traincarwreck' and 'dinofelis'

How much BTC would you like to lose in an escrowed bet on that?

Make the bet, or STFU. Because I am not @traincarswreck nor @dinofelis.

I'll give all the BTC won to @traincarswreck, to entice him to participate and prove he is not me.

You guys can't discern reality from fiction.
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
#98
Ah and the truth comes out. OP is just a trolling kid with too much time.

And you have added no substantive information other than complaining about your dick size. Your post was entirely vacuous. Do you have anything to say?
legendary
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April 08, 2017, 12:32:44 PM
#97
I honestly thought you'd have more evidence than basically he wasn't active with another project during the time that bitcoins were being developed and or implemented. I also wasn't doing any active projects then. Am I satoshi?

Get an education.

The thought process is beyond your level of intellect.

You have not correctly summarized the evidence.

So now we understand that many (most?) of the voters are too lazy and too stupid to vote rationally after spending some hours digging into the evidence.

We live in a soundbite generation where people are more misinformed about everything than cows are about eating grass.

Ah and the truth comes out. OP is just a trolling kid with too much time. Try getting out in the real world sometimes child. Maybe you'll actually accomplish something rather than rambling threads that make no sense on a bitcoin forum.

TL;DR: he didn't find Satoshi. We already knew that though, didn't we? What an idiot.

Reporting all your bump after bumps btw, L2bitcointalk.
newbie
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April 08, 2017, 12:15:25 PM
#96
I don't really know what to think about this, but the whole story of the "phantom" founder of bitcoin is so interesting. I wonder if we'll ever get actual proof if satoshi exists or counter proof how someone faked it. Excited to find out one day
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
#95
My more down-to-earth idea is that Satoshi was a clever guy, but not a genius, who had some limited insight into monetary aspects, who had some, but limited, grasp on game theory (his talking about "honest nodes" and about "consensus" as something that the community would want - the dogma that is still propagated by most bitcoin maximalists, shows that he didn't understand the fundamentals of the emergent properties of non-colluding antagonists - or was lying through his teeth about it), had some notions of cryptography and fucked up other things (like the way too small nonce).  He did do a great invention, the cryptographic block chain.  He screwed up other aspects.  I have a hard time believing that that was "genius" that "implanted this" on purpose to deceive his evil masters in the weapon of mass destruction they ordered him to make, so that it blows in his own face.

Bitcoin is far too amazing to be created by a clever guy. And to be able to pull it off as Satoshi did.

You've never accomplished a million user viral s/w project in your life, so you have no comprehension of the genius it required. And he got it right the very first time he attempted it, with no prior coding nor marketing experience. But that sometimes makes me think it was an expert group, but then why does Nash refuse to talk about Bitcoin? Could it be that Nash knew of a secret group and was the secret consultant?. But Nash couldn't have trusted just anyone because his sanity could be questioned again if he ended up being exposed as working with some scam or what have you. They would have to have shown him credentials that he would trust.

And the game theory in Bitcoin is genius, can't be done by a clever person.

And ideal money was Nash's lifelong ambition. He wrote that if humanity can't learn to cooperate we would go extinct.

But as I said, that's an unfalsifiable claim, and hence can be true too.  But I simply don't think that a smart guy like Nash would lend himself (at his age !) to such a game.  He was bloody 80 years old in 2008.

Nash was working on crazy new ideas until his death.

And the coding and research for Bitcoin was started when Nash was in his 70s.

And too much of a mathematical genius to commit the simplistic errors that Satoshi made.  (yes, yes, to deceive...).

What game theory or math theory errors are there in Bitcoin?

I see none.

You are referring to your pet peeve about conflating distribution with security, but it was genius because Bitcoin is designed to be a settlement layer, not other things you think it should be.
legendary
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April 08, 2017, 12:13:08 PM
#94
Without going in to the proofs you have presented in your actual post, I will say, whatever happens, bitcoin will not die. Even if I believe that Nash had actually created bitcoin, but the growth undertaken by bitcoin was purely possible because of public trust. Many people around the globe has entrusted bitcoin with their own hard-earned money. And that's where the bitcoin magic lies.

It will have no effect on bitcoin pricing because people who have heavily invested in bitcoin will step forward to save the fall. The creator of bitcoin will have no effect on pricing I believe.
legendary
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April 08, 2017, 12:01:48 PM
#93
lol.  OP is the same guy as 'traincarwreck' and 'dinofelis'

nobody knows who is Satoshi.  could be Nash or many others.  Anyway nash died in 2015.  

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