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Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 11:53:26 AM

If @Dorky will continue spamming this thread, then I will just repeat my same post over and over also.

@Dorky please stop trolling.

I understand the word "trolling" is an overrated word.
May I know what exactly is the meaning of "trolling"?

So if I am very sincere and honest in sharing what I know so that may somewhat broaden your knowledge and might be of help to your decision-making, and as so it happens to be not agreeable to you, thus I am trolling?

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If @Dorky will continue spamming this thread, then I will just repeat my same post over and over also.

@Dorky please stop trolling.

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Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 05:50:56 AM

Bitcoin is Nash's very clever plan of providing a reserve currency for altcoin experimentation, which could have the potential to create asymptotically ideal money. I had stated back in 2014 that I expected Satoshi was so genius that he had outsmarted the elite who were tracking him.

I know you are going to say that all the clumsiness in bitcoin was on purpose, will have a game-theoretical, desired effect at a certain point and/or served to keep the suspicion away from Nash and so on, but as I said, at a certain point that becomes non-falsifiable. Anything, and its opposite, is then "proof of the statement at hand".

You can't just devalue the significance of Nash's frantic ideal money rampage which was also a lifelong ambition. And the timing of his research on Cooperation in Non-Cooperating Repeating Games which is precisely coincident with the one advance needed to go from the prior art of Wei Dai, Szabo, and Finney's RPOW to Satoshi's PoW system of consensus.

There is a confluence of many coincident factors.

It is also quite peculiar that Nash never commented extensively on Bitcoin. It seems ridiculous that he avoided elaborating on Bitcoin when asked, except by instead pointing out that gold and silver wouldn't work. So in effect, he was saying we don't have any other good option.

That to me is a HUGE factor.

Finney was visible, so Finney can't be Satoshi. Ditto Szabo who is now a real person seen in YouTube videos. Also both denied being Satoshi.

Quote from: https://thewealthofchips.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/4760/

So it occurs to me to think that that which is not achieved by a grand action of establishment by “fiat” may alternatively tend to come into existence as a consequence of a process of evolution. And of course, after a certain degree of progress by “evolution” the rest of the progress could possibly be realized by a convention or a process of “fiat”.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUyCO3FXHS4

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John Nash: "The bitcoin might not be it..."

The ideal money is no money at all, as monetary exchange only exists among humans that are unfair to each others and yet emphasizes fairness from each others.

When humans finally learn that prosperity does not need money, then the money god will die.

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Quote from: 2112 on April 08, 2017, 11:39:18 AM

So if you are trying to make an argument "Satoshi wasn't Nash because code is too stupid" it is a weak argument because the contra-argument would be "code was actually written by or advised by an extremely street smart and deceptive software consultant". Nowadays entire large consultancy corporations exist through providing such deceptive advice.

Or more simply it was written by Nash who wasn't an experienced coder.

This argument that an expert group (of the global elite or whatever) coded Bitcoin doesn't make any sense. Unless they tried their best to make it look like the code was created by amateurs. Did they try to pin this on Nash's back on purpose? But then why does Nash refuse to talk about Bitcoin when asked about and instead basically answers in a cryptic way by saying gold and silver wouldn't work.

Nash was expert in theory, and had to do the coding by himself in order to keep it secret.

Simplest explanations are the best according to Occam's Razor.

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In case it is still too hard/complicated/sophisticated to understand the whole issue, then please read and re-read the statement below repeatedly for numerous times until you understand. Thank you. With regards.

Quote from: Dorky on April 08, 2017, 11:18:34 AM

Only the blind / foolish / naive fail to see thru this facade, and instead keep focusing on Mr. Mysterious as if that's going to matter a lot, as if finding out the answer would come the recognition as some brilliance of sort.

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Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 11:23:02 AM

Quote from: Dorky on April 08, 2017, 11:18:34 AM

There are 2 ways the shadow elite can bring forth its phoenix currency.
1) Announce it as the currency of the shadow elite, and end up receiving backlash from the public.
2) Announce it as the currency from Mr. Anonymous that can be used to fight banks and tyrants, and receive mass adoption.

~~3) Allow John Nash to do it for them, by exposing him to certain information. So its creation can be appealing to the world.~~

~~But... John Nash outsmarts and puts a game theory in it that achieves the opposite of what the elite wanted.~~

There is no such entity as "John Nash" in the equation.

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More interesting evidence. Based on this new theory that Satoshi wanted altcoins, lets examine one of the original altcoins, ixcoin.

The dev , thomas naskioto (anagram for satashi nakamoto) hasn't been heard from since early 2015. The ixcoin.org domain expired shortly after in june. It would make sense that this was also Nash.

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Quote from: Dorky on April 08, 2017, 11:18:34 AM

There are 2 ways the shadow elite can bring forth its phoenix currency.
1) Announce it as the currency of the shadow elite, and end up receiving backlash from the public.
2) Announce it as the currency from Mr. Anonymous that can be used to fight banks and tyrants, and receive mass adoption.

3) Allow John Nash to do it for them, by exposing him to certain information. So its creation can be appealing to the world.

But... John Nash outsmarts and puts a game theory in it that achieves the opposite of what the elite wanted.

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Please refer here ---> https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/

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Recently a 1996 NSA report surfaced, ‘predicting’ a crypto-cyber unit eerily close to Bitcoin. So eerily close, that, knowing their M.O., the question arises whether this report is a prediction, or a plan.

Also refer here ---> https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/flashback-1988-get-ready-for-a-world-currency-by-2018%E2%80%B3-the-economist-magazine/

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Title of article: Get Ready for the Phoenix
Source: Economist; 01/9/88, Vol. 306, pp 9-10
THIRTY years from now, Americans, Japanese, Europeans, and people in many other rich countries, and some relatively poor ones will probably be paying for their shopping with the same currency. Prices will be quoted not in dollars, yen or D-marks but in, let’s say, the phoenix. The phoenix will be favoured by companies and shoppers because it will be more convenient than today’s national currencies, which by then will seem a quaint cause of much disruption to economic life in the last twentieth century.

Forget about Satoshi. There is no such person in existence.

There are 2 ways the shadow elite can bring forth its phoenix currency.
1) Announce it as the currency of the shadow elite, and end up receiving backlash from the public.
2) Announce it as the currency from Mr. Anonymous that can be used to fight banks and tyrants, and receive mass adoption.

If I were from the shadow elite, I would definitely go for option #2.

Only the blind / foolish / naive fail to see thru this facade, and instead keep focusing on Mr. Mysterious as if that's going to matter a lot, as if finding out the answer would come the recognition as some brilliance of sort.

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Quote from: John Titor on April 08, 2017, 10:45:17 AM

prolific coder like Szabo

My understanding is that Szabo is not much of a coder.

Also Szabo can't be Satoshi because he is in the public eye of the ecosystem.

Also Szabo doesn't understand game theory well enough, which is why he didn't get it correct with his bit gold proposal.

I have caught Szabo in several technological errors.

Szabo is not smart enough to be Satoshi. (I am not claiming Szabo is stupid, just not genius enough to be Satoshi).

However it is possible that some group created Bitcoin based on careful study of Nash's work, but why did Nash go quiet during the times he did? And why did Nash avoid talking about Bitcoin?

When Bitcoin came about, Nash as the researcher/progenitor of Ideal Money should have wanted to immediately write about it.

But of course he wanted to downplay Bitcoin because:

1. He didn't want to be associated as its possible creator.

2. To make the elite think he was playing along with their plans for Bitcoin.

3. To not alert powerful entities to kill Bitcoin in its infancy.

Quote from: traincarswreck on April 08, 2017, 11:19:32 AM

Szabo can code.

Not a disciplined enough coder to make Bitcoin. I've never seen Szabo write significant code or a large project.

Nash was very disciplined and stuck with projects over a long time frame to refine and complete them. Which is the trait a coder needs. Szabo is a writer and researcher.

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Quote from: dinofelis on April 08, 2017, 09:15:32 AM

Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 05:50:56 AM

Bitcoin is Nash's very clever plan of providing a reserve currency for altcoin experimentation, which could have the potential to create asymptotically ideal money. I had stated back in 2014 that I expected Satoshi was so genius that he had outsmarted the elite who were tracking him.

I know you are going to say that all the clumsiness in bitcoin was on purpose, will have a game-theoretical, desired effect at a certain point and/or served to keep the suspicion away from Nash and so on, but as I said, at a certain point that becomes non-falsifiable. Anything, and its opposite, is then "proof of the statement at hand".

You can't just devalue the significance of Nash's frantic ideal money rampage which was also a lifelong ambition. And the timing of his research on Cooperation in Non-Cooperating Repeating Games which is precisely coincident with the one advance needed to go from the prior art of Wei Dai, Szabo, and Finney's RPOW to Satoshi's PoW system of consensus.

There is a confluence of many coincident factors.

It is also quite peculiar that Nash never commented extensively on Bitcoin. It seems ridiculous that he avoided elaborating on Bitcoin when asked, except by instead pointing out that gold and silver wouldn't work. So in effect, he was saying we don't have any other good option.

That to me is a HUGE factor.

Finney was visible, so Finney can't be Satoshi. Ditto Szabo who is now a real person seen in YouTube videos. Also both denied being Satoshi.

Quote from: https://thewealthofchips.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/4760/

So it occurs to me to think that that which is not achieved by a grand action of establishment by “fiat” may alternatively tend to come into existence as a consequence of a process of evolution. And of course, after a certain degree of progress by “evolution” the rest of the progress could possibly be realized by a convention or a process of “fiat”.

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Waste of time on false pursue.

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Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 09:35:59 AM

Quote from: monsanto on April 08, 2017, 09:23:15 AM

Alright already.. you've convinced me.. that one of the main Satoshi players is dead that is Wink

. I think you've got the wrong dead guy though buddy Grin

I agree that if Nash could have trusted another person, then it would have been Hal Finney as his collaborator.

Finney didn't have sufficient game theory expertise to do it by himself, unless had been following Nash's work.

I haven't done much research in Finney. Perhaps I should.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PVzOVMCASo&t=62m57s You should watch a few minutes into this, it talks about linguistic similarities between Szabo and Nakamoto, how bitgold was the closest thing that existed previously and was suspiciously absent from the reference page on the bitcoin whitepaper. They also talks about how Szabo went dark on social media at the same time Satoshi disappears, very curious content, would love to hear your 2 cents.

I am very privy to the idea that bitcoin was made by a group rather than a single person, and I think you might be right about Nash. But what I am thinking is that the person that was actually on the forum, talking to people and answering questions, I think that was most likely Szabo, and that he was working with someone like Nash helping him behind the scenes. Nash was more of a mathematician than anything else, so having a prolific coder like Szabo or Finney working closely with him makes a lot of sense, and having someone else do the forum posting would have made it easier for him to stay out of the limelight.

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Okay just incase the story is true, do we need to worry? Who will continue, or the new owner(s) of Bitcoin? I believe everything is well documented , source codes are kept properly.

Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 09:35:59 AM

Quote from: monsanto on April 08, 2017, 09:23:15 AM

Alright already.. you've convinced me.. that one of the main Satoshi players is dead that is Wink

. I think you've got the wrong dead guy though buddy Grin

I agree that if Nash could have trusted another person, then it would have been Hal Finney as his collaborator.

Finney didn't have sufficient game theory expertise to do it by himself, unless had been following Nash's work.

I haven't done much research in Finney. Perhaps I should.

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Quote from: monsanto on April 08, 2017, 09:23:15 AM

Alright already.. you've convinced me.. that one of the main Satoshi players is dead that is Wink

. I think you've got the wrong dead guy though buddy Grin

I agree that if Nash could have trusted another person, then it would have been Hal Finney as his collaborator.

Finney didn't have sufficient game theory expertise to do it by himself, unless had been following Nash's work.

I haven't done much research in Finney. Perhaps I should.

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Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 09:21:09 AM

Quote from: JessicaG on April 08, 2017, 09:17:31 AM

Putting a list together of one's activities and the (hypothetical) comment on it provided, ain't research. That's an analysis.

Lol, you missed the research. And you are too dumb to assimilate the significance.

Bitch go back to inserting your tampon. It is was you were made to do.

Thank you, for confirming my other points as well. Have a nice day sir

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Satoshi Nakamoto.

Sato = name for the masses in Japan
Koto = harmonious "thing" in Japanese

Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 08:31:42 AM

Quote from: cpfreeplz on April 08, 2017, 08:30:42 AM

I honestly thought you'd have more evidence than basically he wasn't active with another project during the time that bitcoins were being developed and or implemented. I also wasn't doing any active projects then. Am I satoshi?

Get an education.

The thought process is beyond your level of intellect.

You have not correctly summarized the evidence.

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..like bright metal on a sullen ground.

Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 01:40:03 AM

Friends this isn't a joke...

Very strong circumstantial evidence that John Nash was Satoshi Nakamoto!

Read this!

He is dead, and to me it appears they firebombed his taxi. Cry

Alright already.. you've convinced me.. that one of the main Satoshi players is dead that is Wink

. I think you've got the wrong dead guy though buddy Grin

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Quote from: JessicaG on April 08, 2017, 09:17:31 AM

Putting a list together of one's activities and the (hypothetical) comment on it provided, ain't research. That's an analysis.

Lol, you missed the research. And you are too dumb to assimilate the significance.

Bitch go back to inserting your tampon. It is was you were made to do.

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Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 08:45:13 AM

Quote from: JessicaG on April 08, 2017, 08:37:42 AM

It ain't research.

You apparently don't know what research is.

Putting a list together of one's activities and the (hypothetical) comment on it provided, ain't research. That's an analysis.

Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 08:45:13 AM

So you would have dismissed the speculative research that claimed the earth wasn't flat.

You wouldn't be convinced until you actually sailed around the world. But what if you didn't have any boats that could make that journey yet? So you'd prefer to just remain in ignorance rather than dig into the very strong speculative evidence which I RESEARCHED.

That is your prerogative. It doesn't guarantee you are correct. In fact, I suspect if you and I got into a verbal debate on the facts of this case, I would embarrass the fuck out of you.

You don't seem to understand that Nash's Cooperation in Non-Cooperating Repeated Games research was precisely what Satoshi's PoW is when combined with Szabo's bit gold.

Also the game theory in Bitcoin is so clever, that it has Nash's fingerprints all over it. He was the world expert in game theory. He won a Nobel prize for it.

Thank you. Nice examples of more assumptions

Quote from: iamnotback on April 08, 2017, 08:45:13 AM

In fact, I suspect if you and I got into a verbal debate on the facts of this case, I would embarrass the fuck out of you.

Thanks, but no. Too many narcissistic traits are being flagged on my end. Sorry about that.

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