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Topic: @THEYMOS Abusive group punished DT1 for speaking up against them - page 9. (Read 3497 times)

legendary
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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)
@LFC_Bitcoin
Whenever I see some person in need of tagging multiple times just because of the fact that one tag is not enough, I also message a few known active users on DT to do so. Now it is not a compulsion for them to tag anybody at all. They are free to use their own judgement on this and take the matter into their own hands. We all should act like grown-ups here even if I am sure majority here are not. Cheesy

Whether you like it or not, your decisions are your own and if Lauda PMs you to tag someone, its upto you to take the decision. I am not trying to boss over you here, just trying to help you get in the right track. This is not a mafia style thing, even if Cunthunter acts like that making false impression with biased facts. You are not going to impair your reputation if you are not functioning like Lauda's slave. In fact nobody is going to scold you for not listening to Kitty.

However what Bill's intentions of posting that PM was is still obscure. He is trying to make the system look bad like any other person who account rep has been tarnished.

@LFC_Bitcoin You do see how far people can go just because they got booted from this forum (literally)?
copper member
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Here's the thing: BG is an asshole for publishing the PM of a member that sent him a message in confidence. If he is allowed to continue in his sig campaign, which is what this is obviously all about, well that's just not right, given the standards of it set forth.
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Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.
Unless the PM was encrypted, I don’t see any expectation of privacy.

If you don’t want anything embarrassing you said in a PM to be published, don’t write anything embarrassing in a PM.
legendary
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Terminated.
bill, I feel like a right ass hole but Lauda messaged me ... about you. She told me I should remove you from my trust list. I really didn’t want to do it because I do like you (a lot).

For my own comfort & to make my life easier I did it. I don’t want to get on the wrong side of them.

I am really sorry & I feel a dick for doing it. I had to tell you myself though before you see it yourself.

I hope you can forgive me.

LFC
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I messaged almost everyone, and will do this whenever there is a purchased account included in DT. I don't know why he is "scared", but he sure is a proven hypocrite now. Some have disagreed with my suggestion, I guess they are all now against "us". FYI if you play these  "them" vs. "us" games, your judgement is compromised but what do I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe it has something to do with this:
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LFC_Bitcoin: 8
    Trusted by:
      bill gator
You include me, I include you? Roll Eyes
member
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now it's time to solve the rest (negative feedback)
There is nothing to be solved. Account buyer = permanent negative.

Nothing? Are we really going to pretend like Vod's feedback isn't blatant abuse?
Your words are so much more confident than your actions, but neither has integrity.

The amount of negative feedback I have received when virtually everyone is in agreement that I am not a scammer, nor had any intentions of doing so, is absurd.

Relevant PM I received :

bill, I feel like a right ass hole but Lauda messaged me ... about you. She told me I should remove you from my trust list. I really didn’t want to do it because I do like you (a lot).

For my own comfort & to make my life easier I did it. I don’t want to get on the wrong side of them.

I am really sorry & I feel a dick for doing it. I had to tell you myself though before you see it yourself.

I hope you can forgive me.

LFC

I don't see you as someone that needs forgiveness. I see you as someone that is rightfully scared to have their reputation or account trashed and you are doing what you can to not be eaten alive for having your own opinion. This is a pattern of abuse and intimidation that goes far beyond yourself, but the problem is that there are too few people willing to actually hold anyone accountable.

I hope you can forgive me, for wishing you had more courage.

WOW

But wait, there is no "they" there is no gang? These systems of control are not being gamed and manipulated by a handful of eastern euro trash and their feltching puppets?  it is all a conspiracy in the true legends cryptohunters mind? he is just completely crazy and so are you now for suggesting it.  You and LFC are now market too by these euro trash goons.

Of course the systems of control here are wide open to manipulation, gaming and abuse. Of course these euro trash pigs and their gang are intimidating and pushing people around whilst making sure they cream off all the best sig deals and escrowing positions and their pals who run the main campaigns are ALL in on it.

Theymos must have rocks in his head not to see this and to have tied shitty gamed cycled merits to trust LOL ..creating systems of control that are wide open to abuse and give incentive and reward to abuse them. What kind of madness was this in the first place. Seems more like some kind of psy experiment.


Shame BILL you didn't realize that people that present OBSERVABLE INSTANCES OF PRIOR WRONGDOING by this bunch of scum are given red trust and a nice big scam label. Then the "gang" and their pals all try to gang up on them.

The way to immediately notice this APART FROM THE GLARING OBVIOUS .... is the double standards being pushed here.

Nutildah is trying to spin that it is some kind of story that he was screaming people should have red trust for selling their accounts in 2014 because it facilitated scamming and anyone selling their account was EVIL. Then that fuck went and sold or tried to sell his account. The INTENT there is far WORSE than your intent just for buying an account perhaps with ZERO intent to scam at all.

Lauda has been a liar and scammer from the start, he has remained shady as fuck. Theymos is out of control asking OG to remove his legitimate red tags and will not give one shit about honest members that battled that dirty scum bag previously and fought to crush his lies and scamming to ensure the entire board was offered a $2 000 000 000 USD compensation deal. If cryptohunter had not called lauda out for his lies and scamming to start with the board would never have even had that offer and nobody would have mentioned the scammy instamine.

Theymos will rather ban HONEST and TRUSTWORTHY members who make a FUSS because they KNOW that lauda and his scummy pals are corrupt and untrustworthy .... then wants scammers and liars like lauda to float around with 300 GREEN?? disgusting.

Yes, this is lauda's fault and that turd bunch of euro scum like tman, owlcatz , yogg  that entire bunch of observable scum and all the pathetic ass kissing sniveling wretches like LFC btc and the 3rd world bunch of gutter rats all willing to say or do anything for a higher rate of sig spamming.  BUT ULTIMATELY this is THEYMOS's fault. He is the warden of this forum and he has turned this board into a complete and utter disgrace where scammers that lied and cheated float around with 300 GREEN giving out orders and scaring all the pathetic dregs they "allow" to be on DT whilst honest and trustworthy members that fight them from the start are told they will get banned if they dont STFU. Then these scammers and liars are ALLOWED to go and give scam tags to those honest members that fought them and proved they were liars and scammers in the first place.



HCP - Hideous Crap Poster - your post is full of shit.

Observable instance 1 - you avoid my central point of the observable DOUBLE STANDARDS from lauda and his bunch in the treatment of bill gator compared with nutildah with regards to account sales and intent. That is the key point which relates to the initial posters point (THULE) that there is vindictive and unfair treatment of bill gator here.

Observable instance 2 - You are talking shit. When someone sees STRONGLY BELIEVES is a SCAMMER  EXTREME CAUTION of course this person is a scammer  or a highly probable scammer is fixed in their mind. If they are logged in they will see it near their user name??  Are you out of your tiny feeble mind telling me because I could not be bothered to type out the entire message and just put a big red sign saying you are a scammer  THAT IS NOTHING LIKE WHAT THE REALITY IS AND A WILD INCORRECT FANTASY..oh really perhaps they think they will send you all their btc to look after and you are not a scammer in the slightest...??

Another asskissing dreg, who avoids the central point because he knows that is not something he can tackle. Also bring the OFTEN INCORRECT other fantasies you are MAKING UP.


Bill you should have taken note months ago when many others were getting red tags for NOTHING related to scamming and in several instances they were simply presenting observable instances of DT members own wrong doing?  shame it only seems to matter now that it is you that is getting tagged for something that is NOT related to scamming.

The cesspit of corruption is so widespread and so infested here even at moderator level I do not think Theymos has the balls or the will power to black list them all. We were growing more and more negative on Theymos but of late he seems to have picked up his game. First standing up to vod and lauda  now showing you favor here , also taking away the weaponized C and P down to sig removal.  Next he needs to decouple merit from rank after snr, reduced merits domination of trust (greatly) and black list ANY member that ..

1. Leaves red for anything other than direct scamming or STRONGLY believe the person is scamming (and can provide a case that stands up to scrutiny.

2. Refuses to red trust scammers if they are show evidence of scamming.


LFC btc = spineless asslicking feltcher like we always said plus a dog shit one line shit poster for 1000s of his posts. Pathetic, get these dregs off DT.  You need people on DT that are not intimidated or manipulated by their own greed and self serving agendas. Or nerds that sit at home with no friends and need to be part of some internet club.

Theymos make some members with ZERO scamming in their past and prior history of standing up to scammers and  huge gangs of their supporters and any other untrustworthy scumbags SUPER mods. Those that need no "pals" here and will do the "right" thing here regardless of pressure of intimidation. Not just here to milk mixing and gambling sigs.

 Banning these people is disgusting you should be giving them positions of power so they can clean up this mess your systems have created. That is not being unkind to you. You may have tried with good intentions to make this board a better place but you have failed. Time to start the clean up. Get these dregs off of DT ffs. How much more can come under "gray" soon to meet the "lauda" threshold of red would be impossible for even the most determined scammer.







legendary
Activity: 3318
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First Exclusion Ever
now it's time to solve the rest (negative feedback)
There is nothing to be solved. Account buyer = permanent negative.

Nothing? Are we really going to pretend like Vod's feedback isn't blatant abuse?
Your words are so much more confident than your actions, but neither has integrity.

The amount of negative feedback I have received when virtually everyone is in agreement that I am not a scammer, nor had any intentions of doing so, is absurd.

Relevant PM I received :

bill, I feel like a right ass hole but Lauda messaged me ... about you. She told me I should remove you from my trust list. I really didn’t want to do it because I do like you (a lot).

For my own comfort & to make my life easier I did it. I don’t want to get on the wrong side of them.

I am really sorry & I feel a dick for doing it. I had to tell you myself though before you see it yourself.

I hope you can forgive me.

LFC

I don't see you as someone that needs forgiveness. I see you as someone that is rightfully scared to have their reputation or account trashed and you are doing what you can to not be eaten alive for having your own opinion. This is a pattern of abuse and intimidation that goes far beyond yourself, but the problem is that there are too few people willing to actually hold anyone accountable.

I hope you can forgive me, for wishing you had more courage.

Exactly. I believe Hhampuz removed me for the same reasons, of course he blocked my messages even though we were communicating amicably 2 days earlier...
I have also had other very trusted users message me with their private support in my efforts to call out this behavior but magically they never make their feelings known in public, nor do they feel comfortable adding me to their trust list. Why? Because anyone on the "blacklist" of the trust mob becomes a target. Bill Gator is a text book example.
legendary
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now it's time to solve the rest (negative feedback)
There is nothing to be solved. Account buyer = permanent negative.

Nothing? Are we really going to pretend like Vod's feedback isn't blatant abuse?
Your words are so much more confident than your actions, but neither has integrity.

The amount of negative feedback I have received when virtually everyone is in agreement that I am not a scammer, nor had any intentions of doing so, is absurd.

Relevant PM I received :

bill, I feel like a right ass hole but Lauda messaged me ... about you. She told me I should remove you from my trust list. I really didn’t want to do it because I do like you (a lot).

For my own comfort & to make my life easier I did it. I don’t want to get on the wrong side of them.

I am really sorry & I feel a dick for doing it. I had to tell you myself though before you see it yourself.

I hope you can forgive me.

LFC

I don't see you as someone that needs forgiveness. I see you as someone that is rightfully scared to have their reputation or account trashed and you are doing what you can to not be eaten alive for having your own opinion. This is a pattern of abuse and intimidation that goes far beyond yourself, but the problem is that there are too few people willing to actually hold anyone accountable.

I hope you can forgive me, for wishing you had more courage.
legendary
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So when did you stop beating your wife? I am just asking a question...

I find this to be incredibly off topic, but rather than reporting it to the mods, I'll just answer it: Never.

And not because I'm still beating her, but because I've never been married.
legendary
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First Exclusion Ever
So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?

This seems to be one of your favorite games, speaking for me. I will speak for myself thanks. I am saying what I said, not what you imagine I said.

It was a question, a "yes" or "no" one at that.

One of the two answers would have sufficed, but you managed to invent a new answer, which was "cunty."

So when did you stop beating your wife? I am just asking a question...
legendary
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So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?

This seems to be one of your favorite games, speaking for me. I will speak for myself thanks. I am saying what I said, not what you imagine I said.

It was a question, a "yes" or "no" one at that.

One of the two answers would have sufficed, but you managed to invent a new answer, which was "cunty."
legendary
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Terminated.
I think bill gator investigation finished by theymos, now it's time to solve the rest (negative feedback)
There is nothing to be solved. Account buyer = permanent negative. He can start with a new account, just like some of us did.
legendary
Activity: 3318
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First Exclusion Ever
So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?



This seems to be one of your favorite games, speaking for me. I will speak for myself thanks. I am saying what I said, not what you imagine I said.
legendary
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Farewell o_e_l_e_o
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bill gator even get his signature back, but he unfortunately received so many negative trust. Maybe bill gator is the first case that can simultaneously get signature back with permanent ban uplift.
legendary
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be constructive or S.T.F.U
Of course they are now justifying with it the red tags they are giving and destroying that account.

He is tagged because he bought the account which he admitted  - not because he plagiarized.

Anyhow, he is not banned anymore, and I think theymos was more than fair to him, he can probably defend himself now, in the right section (reputation)

After looking at the logs, I find it likely that this story is true, so it wasn't him personally who did the plagiarism. Trading accounts is strongly discouraged, but not against the rules. Therefore, the ban is removed.
legendary
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Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?
Damn! My cunning plan has been been exposed! I should have known I couldn't hide behind a pretence of cracking down on rule-breakers. How am I supposed to seize control of DT now? Sad
legendary
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Self-proclaimed Genius
-snip- created by an anime character.
Lol, I though no one will notice.
Just FYI, the only "Satoshi" from an anime I know has a surname "Tajiri" while our Satoshi might meant more than just a Japanese pseudo-name.
Satoshi means "Intelligent" and Nakamoto means "Central Origin".
Bitcoin was created during the world fame of that anime though (10+ years after the release in Japan), pff... coincidence.

And this is theymos: Toushou_Daimos (Daimos) Lips sealed
legendary
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2 more DT1s have been banned for plagiarism in the last week, they never said peep about anybody:

- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite

The bot seems to be pretty agnostic about who it comes after. So far, well over a thousand members have been banned. Hard to say its selectively targeting people. Its more like a wave of mass extinction.

Sure, but if you look at who is excluding them, funny there seems to be quite a bit of overlap with those excluding Bill Gator.

So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot? That's the only DT1 who is excluding all 3 members. If you want to call 2/3 "quite a bit," well that's your interpretation.

I think its more likely that DT1s who engaged in plagiarism are getting banned. Though I think there should be a statute of limitation on this offense, especially for productive members, and thus far the moderators have been inclined to agree somewhat by giving these members temp bans instead of permabans.
legendary
Activity: 3318
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First Exclusion Ever
2 more DT1s have been banned for plagiarism in the last week, they never said peep about anybody:

- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite

The bot seems to be pretty agnostic about who it comes after. So far, well over a thousand members have been banned. Hard to say its selectively targeting people. Its more like a wave of mass extinction.

Sure, but if you look at who is excluding them, funny there seems to be quite a bit of overlap with those excluding Bill Gator.
full member
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- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite
We have three DT1 members banned within the banwave, bill gator, lovesmayfamilis, and WhiteManWhite. Interestingly to see their permanent bans all lifted and they received alternatives with temporary bans plus signature bans with different periods.

Only bill gator received additional unexpected thing, negative feedback due to his admission on his account buying in the past. Within the banwave and related discussion, I have read that the forum even has one moderator whom started years ago with bought account, so after significant contributions over long period, he or she became forum moderator. It's a big pleasure as well as recognition of forum on his or her contributions.

For bill gator, I think that he does not deserve negative feedback solely because he bought this account years ago. More importantly, since the day he bought this account, he made loads of contributions for the forum, rather than scammed others. There was nothing wrong with bill gator before his ban appeal released.

If admin or global moderator actually lifted permanent ban, it means bill gator net-effects recognised, so I think he deserves better things rather than suddenly rocketing negative trusts.
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I think bill gator investigation finished by theymos, now it's time to solve the rest (negative feedback)
This is part of why account trading is strongly discouraged. Usually we won't even consider this excuse, since only admins can properly investigate it, it takes too much time, it's often too ambiguous, and you really shouldn't be trading accounts anyway. But especially for very veteran members, we do occasionally look into these claims and reconsider the matter based on them. This isn't the first case like this: there are a surprising number of notable members who originally bought their accounts.

After looking at the logs, I find it likely that this story is true, so it wasn't him personally who did the plagiarism. Trading accounts is strongly discouraged, but not against the rules. Therefore, the ban is removed.

This action may be controversial, and now I'll probably have everyone appealing based on "I bought the account from my neighbor!" (Which I'll nearly always reject...) But even though it is largely bill gator's fault, I just find it on the whole too unfair to treat him as though he did something when I'm looking at evidence showing that he didn't.
legendary
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2 more DT1s have been banned for plagiarism in the last week, they never said peep about anybody:

- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite

The bot seems to be pretty agnostic about who it comes after. So far, well over a thousand members have been banned. Hard to say its selectively targeting people. Its more like a wave of mass extinction.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
Admin admitted there is Bot which is using for detect plagiarism. So it doesn't make sense to blame any specific users.

Just because there is a bot doesn't mean it wasn't directed by a specific user at a specific user.
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