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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on July 18, 2022, 02:56:53 PM

I don't think that its only in the lower leagues, despite sportsbook lower limit settings and fewer markets for less popular leagues. I think that there are other systems in play which are different than in the lower leagues because it would not work for the bigger ones. And if thats true then the systems would be more incognito, more anonymous more shrouded and completely made oblivious because there are many more eyes watching.

Regardless of that technical analysis of yours, do you really think that someone or some teams in the higher leagues will risk their respective career and reputation just to receive money thru a fixed match? If proven true, there are heavy sanctions and possibly be thrown out and banned from that league forever if they will attempt to make the game rigged.

The risks are not worth there as the consequences are too big.

I also doubt it's easy to decide for these players or teams to agree to do it.

Not saying that fixed matches won't happen in big leagues but safe to assume that the cases are just isolated ones and can't be generalized as a big case and issue in higher leagues. I know there are lots of controversies involving higher leagues "before" but some actions are already made. I also can't compare the situation before to the current one.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

Therefore, betting on matches in the lower leagues is very risky. I haven't been doing this for a long time, because it's a pure lottery. In many countries, such behavior would be punishable by a huge penalty for the players and an even greater penalty for the club. Hopefully the same will happen in this case.

I think this method of betting with a machine is a new techniques I don't know body knows it very well. This machine will be like both trading app which is not giving any remedy to threading right now to some people who trade with it so if we have up of betin so I think the actual concentrate only for prediction of game that can be chance to win so I don't think that such app or such machine can work effectively because it will malfunction if a brand cannot predict or bet where is it mentioned that can be manipulated will be the one to predict accurately

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Quote from: bekti3 on July 18, 2022, 04:34:35 PM

In my country this is called elephant football. and indeed this sort of thing seems to happen a lot for very small leagues.
This is clearly not recommended in terms of sportsmanship but on the other hand when the mafia is already moving in small leagues then things like this cannot be avoided because they will also definitely choose bigger money than winning because this is the nature of greedy humans .

match fixing is very common - and in many countries betting on lower is not acceptable at all and it is punishable too.
However people still do that - it is pure lottery - you are a winner or a criminal.

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In my country this is called elephant football. and indeed this sort of thing seems to happen a lot for very small leagues.
This is clearly not recommended in terms of sportsmanship but on the other hand when the mafia is already moving in small leagues then things like this cannot be avoided because they will also definitely choose bigger money than winning because this is the nature of greedy humans .

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

Unfortunately, the fixing of the results of the matches happens all the time. For many underpaid players, this can be a very profitable business. However, in such obvious cases as the one in the attached video, the pinishment for players should be very high. This spoils not only the betting, but the sport as a whole.

It's true, but where do you see very underpaid players? In the low leagues of course. In matches that don't bring in the crowds. For most players these leagues are a stepping stone in a career. They aren't making money but it's the only way to be spotted by talent scouts. If you're dumb enough to fix matches when you're looking to be picked up by a better team, you're going to destroy any career options you have and never make any money.

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Quote from: Zilon on July 18, 2022, 02:43:29 PM

This is obviously a fixed match. We see the Remo stars keeper standing without making any attempt to go for the ball and when it got to the turn of Remo star take the penalty He played it without direction it was obvious he wasn't aiming for the post. NFF is corrupt that i don't bother betting my funds on them...

This kind of sports will surely hurt the trust of the gambler, that’s why many are not betting in a small league and if you really want to have fun better to watch the best league. Fixed matches is not good at all, it can actually affect the whole sports so better not to try this at all. If you’re a player, you should not participate on this kind of game as well, because your career will surely be in big trouble once proven that you participated on a fixed matches.

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Unfortunately, it is common in low-class third-world leagues, they sell matches to pay players. Otherwise, there is no funding source to keep the team together, there are many articles about fixed matches at African leagues, better to make some research about it. Obviously, the VAR is not used in second leagues mostly due to lack of technology. BTW, Italian bookies are most famous to trade matches especially over/under selection. Making money is priority for both parties, so, they have no choice except to sell matches. Zerosumedge has some articles about this problem.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

Only in the lower leagues, that's why most sportsbooks usually set lower limits and offer few markets for less popular leagues.

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 16, 2022, 03:30:26 PM

Looking from the nature of the stadium, one can easily tell that that is a local football league, because i believe there is absolutely no way and a player will get to an international level and play that way, its absolutely not possible.

Yup, it's unlikely for someone to throw games in the bigger leagues since there's no point in simply destroying your own career in exchange for some money when you've already made it at the top and could make more by improving your own skills.

I don't think that its only in the lower leagues, despite sportsbook lower limit settings and fewer markets for less popular leagues. I think that there are other systems in play which are different than in the lower leagues because it would not work for the bigger ones. And if thats true then the systems would be more incognito, more anonymous more shrouded and completely made oblivious because there are many more eyes watching.

That might just be my suspicious nature talking but I have a feeling in my gut and my gut has yet to disappoint me on such shady matters. The corruption is definitely there. If you look hard enough to find it.

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This is obviously a fixed match. We see the Remo stars keeper standing without making any attempt to go for the ball and when it got to the turn of Remo star take the penalty He played it without direction it was obvious he wasn't aiming for the post. NFF is corrupt that i don't bother betting my funds on them...

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Quote from: adzino on July 15, 2022, 10:46:48 PM

Instead of just linking a video it is better to state or at least tell us a little what the video is about.

He clearly said that the video says it all. It doesn't take much time to click the link and don't worry the video is under a minute only but on the video it shows that teams playing are not serious enough. I really don't know though because there is no any other description from the uploader but we can search its title on the web. Let see if we can find more information in regards to this game. Its title is > " Nigeria Ogun State FA Cup final between Remo Stars and Ijebu United".

Quote from: adzino on July 15, 2022, 10:46:48 PM

It looks like you are talking about match manipulation and match fixing.

I don't think it's a kind of manipulation or match fixing because what they are showing there is totally obvious. What happens there doesn't damage sports or gambling as a whole but the act was so embarrassing for their country and also to that teams involved but those teams won't care anyway because maybe they are being paid big to do that.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on July 17, 2022, 06:25:18 PM

Cant really be happening on big leagues or events because it would really be seen by lots of fans overall the world

There are big consequences for players or teams that will participate in such activity. I'm sure they already know that.

Higher leagues won't ruin their reputation and if there's a confirmed reported case of fix match, the ban hammer and suspensions will be imposed right away.

Fixed matches happened but commonly, on small leagues and not that popular ones.

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Quote from: alegotardo on July 17, 2022, 05:16:28 PM

Quote from: Viscore on July 17, 2022, 04:58:59 PM

It's a sad reality that even professional players have taken this step because there are tons of money to gain if they chose to let go of their winnings. I believe its always a malpractice but i don't think this will be easily given a solution since most of the people involved are also those who have big titles in the game. Instead of giving the game a fair play that the audience needs to witness, there are always under the table transactions that creates more impact than just being fair to it.

I even believe that this can happen in smaller championships and teams, but I doubt that this will happen in big European tournaments and teams.
As difficult as it is to prove such manipulation, if there is any suspicion the player or team that committed the fraud can be penalized forever, and in addition to paying severe fines, you will still lose major sponsors.
For those who are afraid of this type of manipulation, I suggest betting only on larger tournaments.

Cant really be happening on big leagues or events because it would really be seen by lots of fans overall the world which any odd action and calls would really raise up some eyebrows and could potentially make out

that scandal which might end up some teams/organization career if once proven thats why they arent really that dumb on taking or putting up a risk on that one and its true that this is commonly happening on

smaller leagues which doesnt really have much fans or audience that are looking or watching into but well its not really that still easy to make those things to be done without having questions or doubts around.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

Unfortunately, the fixing of the results of the matches happens all the time. For many underpaid players, this can be a very profitable business. However, in such obvious cases as the one in the attached video, the pinishment for players should be very high. This spoils not only the betting, but the sport as a whole.

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Quote from: Viscore on July 17, 2022, 04:58:59 PM

It's a sad reality that even professional players have taken this step because there are tons of money to gain if they chose to let go of their winnings. I believe its always a malpractice but i don't think this will be easily given a solution since most of the people involved are also those who have big titles in the game. Instead of giving the game a fair play that the audience needs to witness, there are always under the table transactions that creates more impact than just being fair to it.

I even believe that this can happen in smaller championships and teams, but I doubt that this will happen in big European tournaments and teams.
As difficult as it is to prove such manipulation, if there is any suspicion the player or team that committed the fraud can be penalized forever, and in addition to paying severe fines, you will still lose major sponsors.
For those who are afraid of this type of manipulation, I suggest betting only on larger tournaments.

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Quote from: fiulpro on July 15, 2022, 01:24:23 PM

Well fixed matches are everywhere sometimes the people who are actually competing decides to let go of their winnings to earn even more through sports betting, match fixing and they get sold off to rich people and that is why in many countries match fixing is considered illegal ofcourse, it would not only alter the course but would also make the whole idea of sports obsolete, there is something called team spirit, playing fair and square this i do think that it is essentially for the games to be fair and square. Max fixing is well known and also comes with a lot of damage and you can also go to the jail if you are found out, you also might not be allowed to compete again. Lets see what happens here.

It's a sad reality that even professional players have taken this step because there are tons of money to gain if they chose to let go of their winnings. I believe its always a malpractice but i don't think this will be easily given a solution since most of the people involved are also those who have big titles in the game. Instead of giving the game a fair play that the audience needs to witness, there are always under the table transactions that creates more impact than just being fair to it.

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 16, 2022, 07:12:37 PM

Only in the lower leagues, that's why most sportsbooks usually set lower limits and offer few markets for less popular leagues.

But I can see hundreds of matches played daily that were included by bookmakers. I do watch some on bet365, with the look of some matches, the field would have indicated that it is a small league match, some will not even have any crowd watching but just the players and the small stadium which is not fascinating at all.

ralle14's still right, though.

Lower limits just means you can't bet as much as you would normally be able to on regular matches. It's just a way of limiting bookmaker risk on having to pay out on a result that's unlikely.

Also you'll find fewer markets -- standard 1x2 maybe and some over/unders but very limited range. Forget seeing first goalscorer, cards, handicaps, etc.

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Quote from: uneng on July 16, 2022, 02:05:23 PM

That is why you should be careful on what games, leagues and championships you are going to bet. When you can't trust the legitimacy of the match and the professionals involved on it, just ignore it and go for the most famous matches, like european leagues, world cup, continental cups. Since fixed matches have always existed, I think it doesn't damage gambling at all, even because serious sportsbooks will avoid offering these kind of bets at all costs in order to not prejudice their own reputation as betting providers. Oh, the images presented on the video are so mediocre. I feel sad for those players who accepted doing that kind of dirty job...

Can't believe that some bettors really betting on a trash league like that shared by OP? It's impossible for me to think that it's the first time that a rigged game happened in that league. But I'm sure only a few bettors are supporting that league because of their bad reputation.

We don't have real stats anyway that's why we can just give our own feedback.

Ban those players, they are ruining their country honestly.

Since it happened in Nigeria, for a moment I thought it was a 'Nollywood' scene, instead of an official soccer match. The player faking the kick was acting at his best!

Although some reports said players were just protesting against an unfair result, possibly due to the referee's decisions, and that is why they refused to play the penalties correctly. Anyway, in such an unstable league where you can't trust the referee, players and organizers the most advised thing to do is to avoid, without any doubts.

Here in our country there are also many suspicious decisions made by referees which revolt the fans and sometimes create physical conflicts after the matches, but players never play like we have seen on the video in order to protest. Even prejudiced by the referee, they do their best to revert the situation in field till the end of the game.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on July 16, 2022, 01:55:24 PM

This happened in the Nigeria Ogun State FA Cup final between Remo Stars and Ijebu United... so you will also know that Nigeria has been seen as the most corrupt country in the world.

This is not only about Nigerian Leagues, it is better to not bet on small leagues, bet on only big leagues because most manipulations are from the small leagues, not only in Nigeria but many other countries.

Quote from: ralle14 on July 16, 2022, 07:12:37 PM

Only in the lower leagues, that's why most sportsbooks usually set lower limits and offer few markets for less popular leagues.

But I can see hundreds of matches played daily that were included by bookmakers. I do watch some on bet365, with the look of some matches, the field would have indicated that it is a small league match, some will not even have any crowd watching but just the players and the small stadium which is not fascinating at all.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

Only in the lower leagues, that's why most sportsbooks usually set lower limits and offer few markets for less popular leagues.

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 16, 2022, 03:30:26 PM

Looking from the nature of the stadium, one can easily tell that that is a local football league, because i believe there is absolutely no way and a player will get to an international level and play that way, its absolutely not possible.

Yup, it's unlikely for someone to throw games in the bigger leagues since there's no point in simply destroying your own career in exchange for some money when you've already made it at the top and could make more by improving your own skills.

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Quote from: uneng on July 16, 2022, 02:05:23 PM

That is why you should be careful on what games, leagues and championships you are going to bet. When you can't trust the legitimacy of the match and the professionals involved on it, just ignore it and go for the most famous matches, like european leagues, world cup, continental cups. Since fixed matches have always existed, I think it doesn't damage gambling at all, even because serious sportsbooks will avoid offering these kind of bets at all costs in order to not prejudice their own reputation as betting providers. Oh, the images presented on the video are so mediocre. I feel sad for those players who accepted doing that kind of dirty job...

Can't believe that some bettors really betting on a trash league like that shared by OP? It's impossible for me to think that it's the first time that a rigged game happened in that league. But I'm sure only a few bettors are supporting that league because of their bad reputation.

We don't have real stats anyway that's why we can just give our own feedback.

Ban those players, they are ruining their country honestly.

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