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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

I mean.. the thread title could do with a bit of a tidy up to make sense in English but we get the general idea. Nobody with any brains is betting much on these low level and obscure leagues which have seen match fixing many times over the years - you do so at your own peril. It doesn't have any affect on real sports betting, it's like saying zero percent alcohol has an affect on alcohol, the two exist in the same world but have no bearing on each other. If the ref, the team, the league and Nigerian football organization were doing their job correctly then that goal keeper should potentially be banned for a long time for refusing to play properly. It's only by serving examples and punishing players that you'll stamp out cheating behavior. It's the really subtle cheaters that are the most dangerous, not the blatant ones.

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Quote from: bekti3 on July 18, 2022, 04:34:35 PM

In my country this is called elephant football. and indeed this sort of thing seems to happen a lot for very small leagues.
This is clearly not recommended in terms of sportsmanship but on the other hand when the mafia is already moving in small leagues then things like this cannot be avoided because they will also definitely choose bigger money than winning because this is the nature of greedy humans .

match fixing is very common - and in many countries betting on lower is not acceptable at all and it is punishable too.
However people still do that - it is pure lottery - you are a winner or a criminal.

The problem is when the mavia in the minor leagues act like this it is very natural to happen especially in this case it will be very difficult to say the law so that it seems like the law against something like this is just like a gust of wind because indeed when there is money then the law does not apply here .
There is no such thing as a Lottery here because everything is just an arrangement of people who have power and interests.

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It seems that they are upset and protest at the referee with such ridiculous actions, usually a protest is initiated because the referee's decision is considered detrimental to one side. In football matches, referee and assistant mistakes are common. Protests by disillusioned players are not new, but everything has its limits. It's natural to feel disappointed over the referee's decision and leadership, but venting anger like that is not justifiable.

As what happened in the Video it is common in the lower leagues, you don't worry too much about it, the incident will not break the trust in sports betting, isn't the elite league already using VAR technology which can help referees to give fair decisions.

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Quote from: rodskee on July 18, 2022, 08:59:28 PM

Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

No one is damaging here but the fixed matching is , imagine that there are chances that we already knew this but of course because of greed we still choose to bet in fixed matching but in the end ? we fail mostly because scammers are waiting for us to deliver our money inside bets and then they will gone.
for several occasions that we've seen this? so lets not trust them there.

A match is supposed to be unpredictable and no credible player will fumble like this, this nonsense wasn't supposed to happen in the first but who knows if they are not paid weekly and bonuses. But there is something bothering me about this event, who are the people capable of making this happens if not for Sportsbet or the organizers themselves. Here are my reasons:
1. A team wouldn't pull this nonsense, they wouldn't give up their league cup for some bets, they would rather try their best to win the league than risk amounts.
2. If the team cannot do this set up, then a single person can't either except the organizers or sports bets but what will they stand to gain when this thing is obvious to the public, they would lose their reputation, and names for nothing.

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Quote from: aioc on July 19, 2022, 08:12:09 AM

Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

What's the story behind the video tell us more it's not a major event that is watched by millions of pf people around the world, we don't know this until you posted it here, its a cause of concern for the organizers, not the sports betting industry, I don't see any damage done in the whole sports betting industry, I don't even know the names of these players, you don't blame the industry because one game from little league committed this rigging of their game.

That is one example of a match being arranged by a group of people who want to win one team and there may be many more that we don't know about. If the relevant sports associations or institutions can see this, it may expose the practice of abuse of power so that people in the sports institution can do something to stop it. But it will not be easy considering that such a practice has been around for a long time and the government should investigate further to find other evidence. That's just in one sport and we don't know if it's happened in other sports or not.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on July 19, 2022, 10:07:12 AM

Quote from: Apocollapse on July 19, 2022, 09:10:59 AM

This is the reason why I don't want to gamble on low or unpopular events, because their fame/record aren't that good and they're fine to exchange with huge money by behind agreement. If it's a big events where a champion vs champion or two clubs in a final match that really want to get a trophy, there's no fixing match. They're already put a lot effort and trained very hard, they wouldn't ruin that easily just for money.

I guess this is in a local match only because the match-fixing is easier to make with this on than in the large matches but if this game is a large match and for sure the tons of viewers see this kind of throwing or match-fixing for sure they don't have any interest to watch this teams play again and at the same time supporting the tournament itself if possible.

I also think that it's just a small-time local match because big events won't allow match-fixing because it will definitely look obvious because even professional analytics can easily notice it. It usually happens at some local sports events but the international sports industry is too skeptical because they know that critics will be all over the world so they won't allow this.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on July 19, 2022, 09:10:59 AM

This is the reason why I don't want to gamble on low or unpopular events, because their fame/record aren't that good and they're fine to exchange with huge money by behind agreement. If it's a big events where a champion vs champion or two clubs in a final match that really want to get a trophy, there's no fixing match. They're already put a lot effort and train very hard, they wouldn't ruin that easily just for money.

I guess this is in a local match only because the match-fixing is easier to make with this on than in the large matches but if this game is a large match and for sure the tons of viewers see this kind of throwing or match-fixing for sure they don't have any interest to watch this teams play again and at the same time supporting the tournament itself if possible.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports
I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

I've seen some stuff before but never ever seen anything this obvious. You'll never know when this is going to happen in one of your games. Still though, cheat or no cheat, somebody has to win the bet right? There needs to be an outcome for the game. Sometimes the game gets canceled however and everybody gets his money back. This is probably one of those games because the cheat was very very obvious.

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This is the reason why I don't want to gamble on low or unpopular events, because their fame/record aren't that good and they're fine to exchange with huge money by behind agreement. If it's a big events where a champion vs champion or two clubs in a final match that really want to get a trophy, there's no fixing match. They're already put a lot effort and train very hard, they wouldn't ruin that easily just for money.

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Match fixing is still damaging. I really hatev it because in 21st century we can eliminate many shitty issues. We can eliminate people who mess bets and so on. But football itself is payed by humans so its impossible to stop humans from things they do. Humans are easily corruptable. Also this is at least getting far more rare in bigger leagues because of laws that they enforce. Eventually its impossible to completely eliminate it especially in third world countries. They are used to it.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

What's the story behind the video tell us more it's not a major event that is watched by millions of pf people around the world, we don't know this until you posted it here, its a cause of concern for the organizers, not the sports betting industry, I don't see any damage done in the whole sports betting industry, I don't even know the names of these players, you don't blame the industry because one game from little league committed this rigging of their game.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 19, 2022, 06:50:25 AM

I think their managers tell them what to do, and the players themselves have not much of a choice here. In some places it's like this: you either listen to your manager, or you are out of the business.

But does it "damage the trust in the sports bets"? Hardly. Seriously, show me a decent sports betting site taking bets on that match.

I agree with you, I think what is shown in the link channel does not break trust in football betting.
In fact, we all know that in sports, especially football, there is always cheating and the role of a third party who benefits or is harmed, whether it's the engineering of score-fixing or matters related to manipulation. regarding the drama shown in the link, you are right that players don't have much choice and just follow the orders of the manager or coach. I think we agree that this is the bad side of the sport and there will always be, especially in the lower leagues.

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 18, 2022, 07:34:50 PM

Even though there are questionable situations that happen once in a while like decisions coming from the referees you'd still have a much better betting experience on the higher leagues.

I see the point and agree that major leagues are better than small league where the corruptions like game fixing is more possible to happen, I'm not saying that there's no game fixing, or it's possible inside major league but the eyes of many observers are there and they can easily track if there's a mistake either with how the officiating refs give their calls or if players intentionally did something that will affects the outcome of the game.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 19, 2022, 01:39:08 AM

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As for this damaging the gambling, I don't think so and maybe after this, gambling sportsbooks will make an adjustments and just limits the number of games to bet in their websites. It's very sad to see this happening though. They are professional players and yet, they are doing things like this for the sake of money.

I think their managers tell them what to do, and the players themselves have not much of a choice here. In some places it's like this: you either listen to your manager, or you are out of the business.

But does it "damage the trust in the sports bets"? Hardly. Seriously, show me a decent sports betting site taking bets on that match.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 19, 2022, 01:39:08 AM

Watched the video and 4 days after uploading, it only has 12k views so I assume that this is an unpopular match and it is a lower league tournament.

For me, that's already a lot of views with that span if it's just a lower league.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 19, 2022, 01:39:08 AM

I believe that game fixing in lower league tournaments still happens and I already saw some game fixing matches here in our country (many times already Cheesy

). If the management of the game is corrupt, obviously they will not impose any sanctions to these players because they already fixed it at first and it's obvious that he did it intentionally. Well, if there is a sanction between players in this tournament or none is the thing that we don't know but betting in lower league tournaments like this is extremely risky because of game fixing.

I agree, fixed matches are still occurring and there's no way to stop them even if the management will be that tough to battle them. Still, people behind it can just pay those players involved if they're going to earn more than that bribe to them. Sadly, it do really happens and it's like big underground organizations that handles and can do it.

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Quote from: harizen on July 18, 2022, 06:09:27 PM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on July 18, 2022, 02:56:53 PM

I don't think that its only in the lower leagues, despite sportsbook lower limit settings and fewer markets for less popular leagues. I think that there are other systems in play which are different than in the lower leagues because it would not work for the bigger ones. And if thats true then the systems would be more incognito, more anonymous more shrouded and completely made oblivious because there are many more eyes watching.

Regardless of that technical analysis of yours, do you really think that someone or some teams in the higher leagues will risk their respective career and reputation just to receive money thru a fixed match? If proven true, there are heavy sanctions and possibly be thrown out and banned from that league forever if they will attempt to make the game rigged.

The risks are not worth there as the consequences are too big.

I also doubt it's easy to decide for these players or teams to agree to do it.

Not saying that fixed matches won't happen in big leagues but safe to assume that the cases are just isolated ones and can't be generalized as a big case and issue in higher leagues. I know there are lots of controversies involving higher leagues "before" but some actions are already made. I also can't compare the situation before to the current one.

I agree with this. It's close to impossible and if ever, there's only a low chance of it happening because these teams who already made a name and great reputation would certainly endanger what they have for a money they could totally earn multiple times in the future in clean games. You're right that the moment the higher authorities responsible for the game being fair and square would know that the game is rigged, surely they would impose sanctions and punishment for them. Perhaps they would make them fine hefty amount too if proven that the game is fixed.

So for me, it's not really worth it and it could even cost them their career. It's still the best to fight fairly to let the audience know that they supported the right league because they have clean conscience and they fight fair and just.

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Watched the video and 4 days after uploading, it only has 12k views so I assume that this is an unpopular match and it is a lower league tournament.

I believe that game fixing in lower league tournaments still happens and I already saw some game fixing matches here in our country (many times already Cheesy

). If the management of the game is corrupt, obviously they will not impose any sanctions to these players because they already fixed it at first and it's obvious that he did it intentionally. Well, if there is a sanction between players in this tournament or none is the thing that we don't know but betting in lower league tournaments like this is extremely risky because of game fixing.

As for this damaging the gambling, I don't think so and maybe after this, gambling sportsbooks will make an adjustments and just limits the number of games to bet in their websites. It's very sad to see this happening though. They are professional players and yet, they are doing things like this for the sake of money.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 01:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

No one is damaging here but the fixed matching is , imagine that there are chances that we already knew this but of course because of greed we still choose to bet in fixed matching but in the end ? we fail mostly because scammers are waiting for us to deliver our money inside bets and then they will gone.
for several occasions that we've seen this? so lets not trust them there.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on July 18, 2022, 02:56:53 PM

I don't think that its only in the lower leagues, despite sportsbook lower limit settings and fewer markets for less popular leagues. I think that there are other systems in play which are different than in the lower leagues because it would not work for the bigger ones. And if thats true then the systems would be more incognito, more anonymous more shrouded and completely made oblivious because there are many more eyes watching.

That might just be my suspicious nature talking but I have a feeling in my gut and my gut has yet to disappoint me on such shady matters. The corruption is definitely there. If you look hard enough to find it.

I understand what you're pointing out, it's always possible for anyone to fix matches even those competing at the highest level but for me looking at the perspective of a player there's just more reason for them not to take those offers and risk their career. With that said, from a betting perspective, you're better off betting on the most competitive leagues so you don't have to worry about betting on a match that's potentially fixed by the players. Even though there are questionable situations that happen once in a while like decisions coming from the referees you'd still have a much better betting experience on the higher leagues.

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Quote from: Ebede on July 18, 2022, 05:48:34 PM

I think this method of betting with a machine is a new techniques I don't know body knows it very well. This machine will be like both trading app which is not giving any remedy to threading right now to some people who trade with it so if we have up of betin so I think the actual concentrate only for prediction of game that can be chance to win so I don't think that such app or such machine can work effectively because it will malfunction if a brand cannot predict or bet where is it mentioned that can be manipulated will be the one to predict accurately

That won't change the fact that it's still gambling. Either way, people just have to be responsible at all costs. Back to topic, fixed matches really happened but if it's an obvious one, that's a bullshit way of doing it as public are clearly showing what they are doing. I don't know what on these people mind but it's really sucks to see such act.

I don't know what happened next on that situation. Anyone knows?

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