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Quote from: Fatunad on July 20, 2022, 05:59:51 PM

Quote from: bekti3 on July 20, 2022, 03:11:15 PM

In fact, why bet on matches like this because there are still many bets with leagues that are still very good, especially for the league class in Europe.
I'm actually still wondering if it's really worth the money for such a disgraceful outcome. What I mean is that this is at stake in the image of the club itself, because things like this will definitely be talked about again and again.

They wont really be that dumb on risking their image or reputation for some small amounts which common sense that this involved huge money been staked on.Once a probable rigged game or fixed ones been
proved out then it would really be over for their career or would really be penalized big time if its proven which thats why its really that hard to make out some dealings or transactions in between people involved
about match fixing which i do agree on what most people been saying on here that it is really indeed happening on small leagues which cant something be noticed immediately unlike on bigger or known
leagues where there a re lots of eyes been watching which would really be easily noticed if there are some discrepancies on the efforts and gameplay that they are making.

Regardless of whether it is proven or not with the evidence that has been recorded, only stupid people think this is a coincidence, isn't it.
But sometimes in this case the proof will be very difficult, especially if you use connections that are beyond reason, such as when you have set all those involved, including the people who are in it so that cheating like this is not considered because it is possible in this case the soccer mafia is not only between bookies and gamblers but with other aspects such as managers, even people who have the authority to impose sanctions.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on July 19, 2022, 04:15:38 PM

Quote from: fzkto on July 19, 2022, 03:04:39 PM

I knew of one case where 2 lower division clubs in Georgia were caught for match-fixing. These clubs were fined only $3k each. That's all the punishment. At the same time no one knows how much money they were able to earn through dishonest means. Therefore, such games will occur often, because the punishment is too weak.

Strange punishment. Probably this case remained at the "local" level because any sports federation would have issued a tougher punishment for the clubs that were caught on fixed games. Maybe it was some kind of scandal without direct evidence, so the clubs were fined on some formal pretext, but the underlying crime was not proven. However, it is obvious that the smaller the level of competition, the more chaos, corruption and dirty deeds.

Most cases happen in low level competition or local as you say, rigging games in that situation will be an easy job for them even if the sport is known because they have the advantage over it and they have the control and connections needed.

The people watching it will of course say that there's cheating but the organization behind it don't have to worry because it's just a local competition and the people will eventually forget it or they will keep it under wraps and bribe the complainant.

Some say it is also like the case of elephant football and indeed, cases such as match-fixing in a sport are very vulnerable to occur. If they are only punished with light sentences then obviously they don't have a large community or weak regulations, but if the regulations are strong and have many communities then of course the punishment will be very heavy. If cases like that continue to happen it will not only damage gambling but damage the sport itself, maybe not as a whole but still the case will have a bad impact on their circle.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on July 20, 2022, 09:38:46 PM

Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 02:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets, or anything related to sports gambling, I know a lot can say it's a kind of protest but still really unclear.

If the organizer of that event did not punish those who are involved in that game fixing it can damage only sports events in that country, you don't include sports in general, game fixing exists in every sport but it should not be in major events because people are paying and advertisers are pouring in millions to give a fair and honest game, in general, this will not damage the whole sports betting community, its just your perception that it will damage when it's not.

It will only ruin the reputation of those who manage the sports event and not the whole sports betting community because it doesn't happen in all countries, especially in huge events. It will also ruin the trust of bettors and might avoid every event that they might set in the future. They should do something about it because it will be too unfair for bettors who are risking their funds for the game.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on July 19, 2022, 04:15:38 PM

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I knew of one case where 2 lower division clubs in Georgia were caught for match-fixing. These clubs were fined only $3k each. That's all the punishment. At the same time no one knows how much money they were able to earn through dishonest means. Therefore, such games will occur often, because the punishment is too weak.

Strange punishment. Probably this case remained at the "local" level because any sports federation would have issued a tougher punishment for the clubs that were caught on fixed games. Maybe it was some kind of scandal without direct evidence, so the clubs were fined on some formal pretext, but the underlying crime was not proven. However, it is obvious that the smaller the level of competition, the more chaos, corruption and dirty deeds.

Most cases happen in low level competition or local as you say, rigging games in that situation will be an easy job for them even if the sport is known because they have the advantage over it and they have the control and connections needed.

The people watching it will of course say that there's cheating but the organization behind it don't have to worry because it's just a local competition and the people will eventually forget it or they will keep it under wraps and bribe the complainant.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 02:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

If the organizer of that event did not punish those who are involved in that game fixing it can damage only sports events in that country, you don't include sports in general, game fixing exists in every sport but it should not be in major events because people are paying and advertisers are pouring in millions to give a fair and honest game, in general, this will not damage the whole sports betting community, its just your perception that it will damage when it's not.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on July 20, 2022, 08:53:19 AM

And those gamblers who know about this situation won't just stop sports betting but it clearly visualized how sports betting is not the right place to gamble. This it ruins everything, trust, and reputation of the football fed as they allow this kind of game.

Disagree with your thoughts. It won't ruin everything since there are lots of big football leagues around.

That tiny dirt can't bring the whole sports betting down and it's hard to imagine that way. The league involved in the fixed match is the thing that ruined and they just destroy the trust of the people and their reputation.

That fixed match happened will result in that involved league having a bad effect on their overall betting market and if that happened, there's a possibility that all matches there will not be listed now by all sportsbooks which is a good move if that's happened.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on July 20, 2022, 08:53:19 AM

And those gamblers who know about this situation won't just stop sports betting but it clearly visualized how sports betting is not the right place to gamble. This it ruins everything, trust, and reputation of the football fed as they allow this kind of game. They are supposed to think about the possible output as this has a negative impact on the gambling industry especially when it talks about sports betting.

Seriously, that will be the effect of that shitty situation that was shared by OP? Do you really think people will lead into thinking that sports betting is not the right place to gamble just because of that? Sports betting is a big market and it can't be just ruined with that small fix match.

There are lots of sports and matches!

What may be appropriate here is that gamblers won't trust that league anymore since it's prone to game fixing.

Not unless that league will be serious in giving sanctions and penalties to all those involved to build their reputation again. Although it will take time.

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Quote from: bekti3 on July 20, 2022, 03:11:15 PM

Quote from: Rufsilf on July 20, 2022, 08:53:19 AM

This just makes the players a fool and those audiences.
And those gamblers who know about this situation won't just stop sports betting but it clearly visualized how sports betting is not the right place to gamble. This it ruins everything, trust, and reputation of the football fed as they allow this kind of game. They are supposed to think about the possible output as this has a negative impact on the gambling industry especially when it talks about sports betting.

In fact, why bet on matches like this because there are still many bets with leagues that are still very good, especially for the league class in Europe.
I'm actually still wondering if it's really worth the money for such a disgraceful outcome. What I mean is that this is at stake in the image of the club itself, because things like this will definitely be talked about again and again.

They wont really be that dumb on risking their image or reputation for some small amounts which common sense that this involved huge money been staked on.Once a probable rigged game or fixed ones been
proved out then it would really be over for their career or would really be penalized big time if its proven which thats why its really that hard to make out some dealings or transactions in between people involved
about match fixing which i do agree on what most people been saying on here that it is really indeed happening on small leagues which cant something be noticed immediately unlike on bigger or known
leagues where there a re lots of eyes been watching which would really be easily noticed if there are some discrepancies on the efforts and gameplay that they are making.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on July 20, 2022, 08:53:19 AM

This just makes the players a fool and those audiences.
And those gamblers who know about this situation won't just stop sports betting but it clearly visualized how sports betting is not the right place to gamble. This it ruins everything, trust, and reputation of the football fed as they allow this kind of game. They are supposed to think about the possible output as this has a negative impact on the gambling industry especially when it talks about sports betting.

In fact, why bet on matches like this because there are still many bets with leagues that are still very good, especially for the league class in Europe.
I'm actually still wondering if it's really worth the money for such a disgraceful outcome. What I mean is that this is at stake in the image of the club itself, because things like this will definitely be talked about again and again.

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This just makes the players a fool and those audiences.
And those gamblers who know about this situation won't just stop sports betting but it clearly visualized how sports betting is not the right place to gamble. This it ruins everything, trust, and reputation of the football fed as they allow this kind of game. They are supposed to think about the possible output as this has a negative impact on the gambling industry especially when it talks about sports betting.

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First time I saw a fixed game that obvious. Cheesy

Thanks to whoever recorded it, now we know what games we should avoid when it comes to betting.
I believe fix games do happen but I don't want to believe they will do it as transparent as that. Well, after that they won't even have an acting career because they didn't even try to make it look real.
I doubt that kind of act will damage the gambling industry.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on July 19, 2022, 05:20:05 PM

However unless someone which was part of all of this decides to talk about it then this is something that it is quite difficult to demonstrate, also most of the time the authorities have no incentive to launch an investigation as there is a very high probability they are implicated as well.

And even if they pay lip service and launch an investigation it is likely they are not going to find any evidence about a league having problems with match fixing, and then everything will return to normal as if nothing happened.

That's because all the evidence that points to the fraud will look like it was covered up or even omitted by those involved. It may be difficult for the authorities to uncover the true events because those involved will not easily talk about what happened. And it's because the people involved have already got their hands on the fraud that it's going to be even harder to get the evidence.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 02:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

This is so funny, initially, I used to believe that lower divisions or leagues will not be involved in match-fixing because they will want people to see that they also have what the well-known leagues in terms of good players and good team performance. I usually go for the lower leagues in my soccer betting but after seeing this video, I will not advise anyone to ever choose a lower division team when it comes to gambling because this particular case of match-fixing is too obvious.

This will not just damage the trust but it will also discourage gamblers from gambling knowing too well that a game they choose to place a bet on has been decided before the starting of the game, so irritating.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on July 19, 2022, 04:15:38 PM

Quote from: fzkto on July 19, 2022, 03:04:39 PM

I knew of one case where 2 lower division clubs in Georgia were caught for match-fixing. These clubs were fined only $3k each. That's all the punishment. At the same time no one knows how much money they were able to earn through dishonest means. Therefore, such games will occur often, because the punishment is too weak.

Strange punishment. Probably this case remained at the "local" level because any sports federation would have issued a tougher punishment for the clubs that were caught on fixed games. Maybe it was some kind of scandal without direct evidence, so the clubs were fined on some formal pretext, but the underlying crime was not proven. However, it is obvious that the smaller the level of competition, the more chaos, corruption and dirty deeds.

Yes, two clubs were relegated from the second division to the lowest division, the fine was only $3k and some players received personal fines, but the amounts there are even smaller, something like $800. They say they could face criminal liability, but I don't believe that. Eventually this will be forgotten and everything will go back to normal.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 02:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

Wow! Like this actually happened?
I wonder what the football federation would do about this because, its really up to them. Like you could tell clearly that the shots was perfectly aimed at the audience who were virtually not in the stadium. Probably because they are used to seeing this kind of shot show.
My course of wonder now is, why did they have to wait up to a penalty shootout to show such awful display? There is nothing short of a fixed match about this one and I think a ban on the club for a long time and the players from participating in any recognised league would be in order. Such rubbish!

Talking about sportsbook, these games don't make the board.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on July 19, 2022, 05:20:05 PM

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 02:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

Therefore, betting on matches in the lower leagues is very risky. I haven't been doing this for a long time, because it's a pure lottery. In many countries, such behavior would be punishable by a huge penalty for the players and an even greater penalty for the club. Hopefully the same will happen in this case.

However unless someone which was part of all of this decides to talk about it then this is something that it is quite difficult to demonstrate, also most of the time the authorities have no incentive to launch an investigation as there is a very high probability they are implicated as well.

And even if they pay lip service and launch an investigation it is likely they are not going to find any evidence about a league having problems with match fixing, and then everything will return to normal as if nothing happened.

We know that if there were leaks then its understandable or just common sense that those things would be getting rid off no matter what and considering on people who do get
involved are not something that are low profiles which means that they have financial power on arranging things and on the sad reality that everything could be settled as long there
would be some money to be put up under the table and this is a fact.So any complaints and issues raised about match fixing will really just be ending up like there's nothing
happened.

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Quote from: keyscore44 on July 15, 2022, 02:31:38 PM

Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 02:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

Therefore, betting on matches in the lower leagues is very risky. I haven't been doing this for a long time, because it's a pure lottery. In many countries, such behavior would be punishable by a huge penalty for the players and an even greater penalty for the club. Hopefully the same will happen in this case.

However unless someone which was part of all of this decides to talk about it then this is something that it is quite difficult to demonstrate, also most of the time the authorities have no incentive to launch an investigation as there is a very high probability they are implicated as well.

And even if they pay lip service and launch an investigation it is likely they are not going to find any evidence about a league having problems with match fixing, and then everything will return to normal as if nothing happened.

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Quote from: fzkto on July 19, 2022, 03:04:39 PM

I knew of one case where 2 lower division clubs in Georgia were caught for match-fixing. These clubs were fined only $3k each. That's all the punishment. At the same time no one knows how much money they were able to earn through dishonest means. Therefore, such games will occur often, because the punishment is too weak.

Strange punishment. Probably this case remained at the "local" level because any sports federation would have issued a tougher punishment for the clubs that were caught on fixed games. Maybe it was some kind of scandal without direct evidence, so the clubs were fined on some formal pretext, but the underlying crime was not proven. However, it is obvious that the smaller the level of competition, the more chaos, corruption and dirty deeds.

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Looks like this is how they fixed the match on the football field where they just obviously give up a point to win and deliberately miss a shot to look like they are losing. Damn! one of the comments was right, they said it is corruption everywhere and it seems not so surprising because of the country they are living in. In this case, they will gonna lose some trust because of how poorly they act when they wanted to corrupt their games and the players are also accustomed to what's going on maybe because they're doing this kind of anomaly often in their games.

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I knew of one case where 2 lower division clubs in Georgia were caught for match-fixing. These clubs were fined only $3k each. That's all the punishment. At the same time no one knows how much money they were able to earn through dishonest means. Therefore, such games will occur often, because the punishment is too weak.

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