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Quote from: Naficopa on July 25, 2022, 08:40:19 AM

Quote from: blockman on July 25, 2022, 06:52:01 AM

They're professionals, there could be some mental breakdown but I doubt it that they'll go through that much hardship if they're also involved with the fix matches.
There's no need for them to be stressful as they've chosen that path and if there's still some pride remains on them, they'll find a way to get out of that involvement.

Even if people are not into gambling much there are fraud and there are cheats all over.
Many people lose so much money because of the greedy people around - who are always in the hunt of money. And they are looking for the prey.

It's not their problem if there are people losing money. If they have an idea that there's an ongoing selling of games, they'll find it odd and will not bet for the next games.
That's a loss for those bettors that have understood that they're going nowhere. It's true that with these fix matches, too many gamblers losses their money but it's part of expectations as you gamble.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 24, 2022, 05:13:22 AM

Quote from: len01 on July 23, 2022, 04:55:24 PM

such incidents often happen in local leagues not in the big leagues and maybe some gamblers are aware of such occurrences. so most gamblers prefer big league sports betting over local leagues.
for reputation problems, such broadcasts should not need to be broadcast and the publisher of the video should be punished so that such shows are not reported again.

regardless of what happens in the drama shown by the channel, is one of the dramas that usually happens in the world of football, cheating, match fixing, or anything that smells of manipulation will always color in the world of football, including the big leagues which are more professional and have very strict regulations.

there will always be individuals and several parties who have the power to determine the outcome of a match. especially for domestic leagues that do not have strict regulations, they will be very vulnerable to manipulation and involvement of many parties to regulate match results.

They're the gambling mafia behind the mess. When football is controlled by the mafia, the game will not run as it should, there is always an imbalance that occurs on the pitch that forces the referee to make controversial decisions. What is in the video is the player's anger vent or a form of protest over a decision that harms them. Luckily the big leagues can already be controlled from the interference of the mafia, VAR technology can help teams who feel aggrieved by controversial decisions from referees.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 08:46:38 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on July 19, 2022, 07:50:25 AM

I think their managers tell them what to do, and the players themselves have not much of a choice here. In some places it's like this: you either listen to your manager, or you are out of the business.

But does it "damage the trust in the sports bets"? Hardly. Seriously, show me a decent sports betting site taking bets on that match.

I agree with you, I think what is shown in the link channel does not break trust in football betting.
In fact, we all know that in sports, especially football, there is always cheating and the role of a third party who benefits or is harmed, whether it's the engineering of score-fixing or matters related to manipulation. regarding the drama shown in the link, you are right that players don't have much choice and just follow the orders of the manager or coach. I think we agree that this is the bad side of the sport and there will always be, especially in the lower leagues.

I don't understand, why do you think so? Cheating is very rare these days in the high-ranked events. And even in the lower leagues it happens less and less. It used to be like you said, but many years ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if all games were rigged 50 years ago or so, but today among thousands games played every week only a few of them may be unfair, if any, and the thing is that news reporters tend to write their articles about those cases, and we have an impression that it happens all the time.

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Quote from: blockman on July 25, 2022, 06:52:01 AM

They're professionals, there could be some mental breakdown but I doubt it that they'll go through that much hardship if they're also involved with the fix matches.
There's no need for them to be stressful as they've chosen that path and if there's still some pride remains on them, they'll find a way to get out of that involvement.

Even if people are not into gambling much there are fraud and there are cheats all over.
Many people lose so much money because of the greedy people around - who are always in the hunt of money. And they are looking for the prey.

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Quote from: Naficopa on July 24, 2022, 07:39:12 PM

Quote from: blockman on July 24, 2022, 06:23:47 PM

Yeah, I believe so. Not that much for them to be scared of as it only happens for some lower leagues. They'll just have to avoid that league if it's known to be selling matches and only big bettors are winning with their bets for certain bookmakers. I also think that reputable casinos, fiat and crypto, will avoid to have it on their list or if their providers have it listed, they'll just cancel all the bets if they've got proven track that these leagues are doing the same thing as usual of having fixed matches.

...sometimes the video and images brings a to the player a very stressful impact..
But having a fine approach toward all the phases of life can bring one to the right state of mind.

They're professionals, there could be some mental breakdown but I doubt it that they'll go through that much hardship if they're also involved with the fix matches.
There's no need for them to be stressful as they've chosen that path and if there's still some pride remains on them, they'll find a way to get out of that involvement.

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Sport is the best place for people's interest where people come to enjoy this sport for refreshments even in the midst of their work. However, if the word fixing is used in this game, then that kind of viewer will no longer come to the field or watch the game and people will get negative ideas on the game. At present everything is sold to the money. Although people are very used to watch fixing game especially those who are gambler. It won't effect any problem for them but those who are out of this, it will be worthless for them.

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Well, just to emphasize what other users have already said about this topic.

I also imagine this does not damage the trust, but be aware for the person to bet on lower leagues it is totally risky, I even imagine this is can be similar like a lottery, there can be a greater chance of manipulation in games and others things like this.

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 24, 2022, 05:00:30 PM

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Quote from: livingfree on July 23, 2022, 05:29:07 PM

It's really a big amount of money being imposed to almost everyone that's involved with the match but the returns are even much bigger than what they usually bribe.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Nigeria Ogun State FA Cup is already full of craps matches that's why I don't see where's the part that is big money is circulating here that leads to fixing some matches? The teams involved are just ruining their reputation and also the league itself

There will be no sponsorship, advertisements, marketing, and big betting market because of those incidents.

Why mafias should bother to spend time there? Not asking you directly just to make it clear but that was a general question of mine.

I do think sports is a big business and there is always betting behind every match, anyone who controls the "business" and the result of the game can earn a huge amount of money. I believe there is behind the scene betting of millionaires in each local match event(private betting). So if a certain group can ensure the result of the game then they can have huge benefits from this illegal fixing of the game matches.

These were in the trend in the past and it have reduced a lot than the past. However I'm not sure for what extent this kind of private Betting is taking place. These kind of matches won't be popular and the bets take place locally without the involvement of reputed gambling platforms.

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Quote from: blockman on July 24, 2022, 06:23:47 PM

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Quote from: len01 on July 23, 2022, 04:55:24 PM

because there are some beginner gamblers after seeing the video they must be afraid to bet on sports gambling

I don't think this will have a big impact on gambling even if someone is a beginner.

Yeah, I believe so. Not that much for them to be scared of as it only happens for some lower leagues. They'll just have to avoid that league if it's known to be selling matches and only big bettors are winning with their bets for certain bookmakers. I also think that reputable casinos, fiat and crypto, will avoid to have it on their list or if their providers have it listed, they'll just cancel all the bets if they've got proven track that these leagues are doing the same thing as usual of having fixed matches.

...sometimes the video and images brings a to the player a very stressful impact..
But having a fine approach toward all the phases of life can bring one to the right state of mind.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 24, 2022, 05:13:22 AM

Quote from: len01 on July 23, 2022, 04:55:24 PM

because there are some beginner gamblers after seeing the video they must be afraid to bet on sports gambling

I don't think this will have a big impact on gambling even if someone is a beginner.

Yeah, I believe so. Not that much for them to be scared of as it only happens for some lower leagues. They'll just have to avoid that league if it's known to be selling matches and only big bettors are winning with their bets for certain bookmakers. I also think that reputable casinos, fiat and crypto, will avoid to have it on their list or if their providers have it listed, they'll just cancel all the bets if they've got proven track that these leagues are doing the same thing as usual of having fixed matches.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 24, 2022, 05:42:26 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on July 24, 2022, 05:00:30 PM

I do think sports is a big business and there is always betting behind every match, anyone who controls the "business" and the result of the game can earn a huge amount of money. I believe there is behind the scene betting of millionaires in each local match event(private betting). So if a certain group can ensure the result of the game then they can have huge benefits from this illegal fixing of the game matches.

You are correct that sports are a big business but if there's a series of continuous fixed matches on a specific league and there's no action for a change, there will be no more good money on that league as doing business on that shitty league is not worth it.

You are right that is why it may be done discreetly and not on a regular basis.

Quote from: agustina2 on July 24, 2022, 05:42:26 PM

There will be lots of investors that might withdraw their support of that league as the damage is already there. Few supporters, few revenues.

I just can't wonder why players are participating in those fixed matches risking their player profile and reputation. They might also be permanently banned from all leagues and their career will now be ended for good.

There are several reasons, one of them might be a threat, and others might be a big sum of money. Who knows, those syndicates will do everything to keep their tab of business. It is really hard for players in resisting this kind of thing especially when the league itself is involved. There are lots of good boxers whose careers are destroyed because of this fixed game stuff, for example.

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 24, 2022, 05:00:30 PM

I do think sports is a big business and there is always betting behind every match, anyone who controls the "business" and the result of the game can earn a huge amount of money. I believe there is behind the scene betting of millionaires in each local match event(private betting). So if a certain group can ensure the result of the game then they can have huge benefits from this illegal fixing of the game matches.

You are correct that sports are a big business but if there's a series of continuous fixed matches on a specific league and there's no action for a change, there will be no more good money on that league as doing business on that shitty league is not worth it.

There will be lots of investors that might withdraw their support of that league as the damage is already there. Few supporters, few revenues.

I just can't wonder why players are participating in those fixed matches risking their player profile and reputation. They might also be permanently banned from all leagues and their career will now be ended for good.

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 24, 2022, 04:27:19 PM

Quote from: livingfree on July 23, 2022, 05:29:07 PM

It's really a big amount of money being imposed to almost everyone that's involved with the match but the returns are even much bigger than what they usually bribe.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Nigeria Ogun State FA Cup is already full of craps matches that's why I don't see where's the part that is big money is circulating here that leads to fixing some matches? The teams involved are just ruining their reputation and also the league itself

There will be no sponsorship, advertisements, marketing, and big betting market because of those incidents.

Why mafias should bother to spend time there? Not asking you directly just to make it clear but that was a general question of mine.

I do think sports is a big business and there is always betting behind every match, anyone who controls the "business" and the result of the game can earn a huge amount of money. I believe there is behind the scene betting of millionaires in each local match event(private betting). So if a certain group can ensure the result of the game then they can have huge benefits from this illegal fixing of the game matches.

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Quote from: livingfree on July 23, 2022, 05:29:07 PM

It's really a big amount of money being imposed to almost everyone that's involved with the match but the returns are even much bigger than what they usually bribe.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Nigeria Ogun State FA Cup is already full of craps matches that's why I don't see where's the part that is big money is circulating here that leads to fixing some matches? The teams involved are just ruining their reputation and also the league itself

There will be no sponsorship, advertisements, marketing, and big betting market because of those incidents.

Why mafias should bother to spend time there? Not asking you directly just to make it clear but that was a general question of mine.

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Quote from: livingfree on July 23, 2022, 05:29:07 PM

Quote from: bekti3 on July 21, 2022, 06:06:55 PM

Regardless of whether it is proven or not with the evidence that has been recorded, only stupid people think this is a coincidence, isn't it.
But sometimes in this case the proof will be very difficult, especially if you use connections that are beyond reason, such as when you have set all those involved, including the people who are in it so that cheating like this is not considered because it is possible in this case the soccer mafia is not only between bookies and gamblers but with other aspects such as managers, even people who have the authority to impose sanctions.

Well, if it's a mafia group.

They'll have to connect with almost everyone to be clean for their own sake and to avoid any issues that would stain the team and that match. It's easier to forget and no issues will be found if they have also those staffing management.

It's really a big amount of money being imposed to almost everyone that's involved with the match but the returns are even much bigger than what they usually bribe.

Its business then you would really expect that they would really be bribing or does offer money for them to earn even more bigger money which is understandable.There's no point on arranging fixed matches
if they do know that they cant really benefit from it thats why whenever someone do make out some claiming about having those fixed matches information then these things are bogus and fraud.
It cant really be just possible for these leaked information to surface out and just be given easily without any involving huge amounts and also no one could really make assurance that these
matches are fixed thats why trust is something that would be commonly be experienced out.

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Quote from: len01 on July 23, 2022, 04:55:24 PM

such incidents often happen in local leagues not in the big leagues and maybe some gamblers are aware of such occurrences. so most gamblers prefer big league sports betting over local leagues.
for reputation problems, such broadcasts should not need to be broadcast and the publisher of the video should be punished so that such shows are not reported again.

regardless of what happens in the drama shown by the channel, is one of the dramas that usually happens in the world of football, cheating, match fixing, or anything that smells of manipulation will always color in the world of football, including the big leagues which are more professional and have very strict regulations.

there will always be individuals and several parties who have the power to determine the outcome of a match. especially for domestic leagues that do not have strict regulations, they will be very vulnerable to manipulation and involvement of many parties to regulate match results.

Quote from: len01 on July 23, 2022, 04:55:24 PM

because there are some beginner gamblers after seeing the video they must be afraid to bet on sports gambling

I don't think this will have a big impact on gambling even if someone is a beginner.

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Quote from: bekti3 on July 21, 2022, 06:06:55 PM

Regardless of whether it is proven or not with the evidence that has been recorded, only stupid people think this is a coincidence, isn't it.
But sometimes in this case the proof will be very difficult, especially if you use connections that are beyond reason, such as when you have set all those involved, including the people who are in it so that cheating like this is not considered because it is possible in this case the soccer mafia is not only between bookies and gamblers but with other aspects such as managers, even people who have the authority to impose sanctions.

Well, if it's a mafia group.

They'll have to connect with almost everyone to be clean for their own sake and to avoid any issues that would stain the team and that match. It's easier to forget and no issues will be found if they have also those staffing management.

It's really a big amount of money being imposed to almost everyone that's involved with the match but the returns are even much bigger than what they usually bribe.

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Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets, or anything related to sports gambling, I know a lot can say it's a kind of protest but still really unclear.

If the organizer of that event did not punish those who are involved in that game fixing it can damage only sports events in that country, you don't include sports in general, game fixing exists in every sport but it should not be in major events because people are paying and advertisers are pouring in millions to give a fair and honest game, in general, this will not damage the whole sports betting community, its just your perception that it will damage when it's not.

It will only ruin the reputation of those who manage the sports event and not the whole sports betting community because it doesn't happen in all countries, especially in huge events. It will also ruin the trust of bettors and might avoid every event that they might set in the future. They should do something about it because it will be too unfair for bettors who are risking their funds for the game.

such incidents often happen in local leagues not in the big leagues and maybe some gamblers are aware of such occurrences. so most gamblers prefer big league sports betting over local leagues.
for reputation problems, such broadcasts should not need to be broadcast and the publisher of the video should be punished so that such shows are not reported again. because there are some beginner gamblers after seeing the video they must be afraid to bet on sports gambling

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on July 20, 2022, 09:38:46 PM

Quote from: darxiaomi on July 15, 2022, 02:13:46 PM

Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports

I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.

If the organizer of that event did not punish those who are involved in that game fixing it can damage only sports events in that country, you don't include sports in general, game fixing exists in every sport but it should not be in major events because people are paying and advertisers are pouring in millions to give a fair and honest game, in general, this will not damage the whole sports betting community, its just your perception that it will damage when it's not.

Well, I'd just hope that the organizer will take this seriously and make those involved will be out of the league as a sort of penalty. Though we think that it was just a small issue, however, this could create some presumptions that this may also happen in some sports betting, in some places and we never notice it. Of course yes, we can't put it in general, but in the first place, this should not be happening in any sport as we can't stop people to spread the news about this and the impact is huge.

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And those gamblers who know about this situation won't just stop sports betting but it clearly visualized how sports betting is not the right place to gamble. This it ruins everything, trust, and reputation of the football fed as they allow this kind of game. They are supposed to think about the possible output as this has a negative impact on the gambling industry especially when it talks about sports betting.

Seriously, that will be the effect of that shitty situation that was shared by OP? Do you really think people will lead into thinking that sports betting is not the right place to gamble just because of that? Sports betting is a big market and it can't be just ruined with that small fix match.

There are lots of sports and matches!

What may be appropriate here is that gamblers won't trust that league anymore since it's prone to game fixing.

Not unless that league will be serious in giving sanctions and penalties to all those involved to build their reputation again. Although it will take time.

Once a person is in gambling - its like a mud puddle - one knows what is going on with them and that they will either be drowned or they have to rush back to get out of this.
But some people like destroying themselves. Like me. They keep moving fwd knowing that there is nothing but trouble a head.

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