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Quote from: Senzacervello on April 09, 2018, 01:24:06 PM

Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 12:56:59 PM

@Senzacervello (without a brain) So if you pay for satellite service with directv or dish, and you are watching a show. Then it starts raining and all of a sudden your tv goes black as a result of that. You decide well i am still going to keep the tv on for the rest of the show hoping that it comes back but at the end it doesn't. What do you do then? call Directv and tell them to reimburse you the electricity you wasted? Ridiculous!

You know, I am without a brain, but I didn't address any complaint to Cryptocopia for the freezing of ETN. So, your example does not represent the situation. By the way, I didn't complain at all with anybody. To come to your example, I simply cancelled my subscription to Directv because the service does not match what I expected it to be (or to have been).
Very likely I have lost the subscription fee, but I'm not whining nor calling anybody scammer. Can I be disappointed because who made a promise didn't show up since March 29th to give updates knowing that there were (are) people trusting him and going on mining despite the "known" issues?
Maybe Tomos will pay sooner or later, maybe he won't. I have personally booked my little loss. If he will pay, good. If he will not, I will survive.
But let me be free to take the services of somebody else who, in the same terms of Tomos, promised a reward for an activity and honors his promise.
It is not a matter to round the dollar. I hope that at least on this we can agree, don't you think?

Everyone is free to do whatever, like i said nobody is forcing people to mine here, i just hate people complaining because that always results to nothing in my opinion, and they are just annoying. Personally I am not a scammer, I am just like everyone who mined here and wasted electricity, so yeah, I am disappointed too. My decision on this is I will stay here for a few more weeks and then also will look elsewhere. But thats my decision and i am not going to hold Tomos accountable if it doesnt pan out.

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Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 12:56:59 PM

@Senzacervello (without a brain) So if you pay for satellite service with directv or dish, and you are watching a show. Then it starts raining and all of a sudden your tv goes black as a result of that. You decide well i am still going to keep the tv on for the rest of the show hoping that it comes back but at the end it doesn't. What do you do then? call Directv and tell them to reimburse you the electricity you wasted? Ridiculous!

You know, I am without a brain, but I didn't address any complaint to Cryptocopia for the freezing of ETN. So, your example does not represent the situation. By the way, I didn't complain at all with anybody. To come to your example, I simply cancelled my subscription to Directv because the service does not match what I expected it to be (or to have been).
Very likely I have lost the subscription fee, but I'm not whining nor calling anybody scammer. Can I be disappointed because who made a promise didn't show up since March 29th to give updates knowing that there were (are) people trusting him and going on mining despite the "known" issues?
Maybe Tomos will pay sooner or later, maybe he won't. I have personally booked my little loss. If he will pay, good. If he will not, I will survive.
But let me be free to take the services of somebody else who, in the same terms of Tomos, promised a reward for an activity and honors his promise.
It is not a matter to round the dollar. I hope that at least on this we can agree, don't you think?

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Quote from: shaw1 on April 09, 2018, 01:06:24 PM

Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 01:03:46 PM

Quote from: shaw1 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:06 PM

Okay. You are purposefully missing the point.

Tomos agreed to pay for the hashes.
If he does not do so, it is safe to say that he is stealing from the people who paid him via mining.

By your logic, no one has to follow through on any agreements. Tomos made an agreement. He should repay. That is his obligation. He can ignore it, and steal everyone's funds, but He is in the wrong for doing so.

Would you agree?

I am in the impression that Tomos hasn't been paid either. Are you for sure that he has been paid and is milking it?

Very sure.
He had the Electroneum that was stuck with cryptopia?
Well. Cryptopia fixed that issue. So he has at least that stuff. Plus everything that was mined on his pool after that.

Back to the original point. Do you agree with my previous post?

Don’t listen to this fuckface. Complete scammer

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Quote from: shaw1 on April 09, 2018, 01:06:24 PM

Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 01:03:46 PM

Quote from: shaw1 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:06 PM

Okay. You are purposefully missing the point.

Tomos agreed to pay for the hashes.
If he does not do so, it is safe to say that he is stealing from the people who paid him via mining.

By your logic, no one has to follow through on any agreements. Tomos made an agreement. He should repay. That is his obligation. He can ignore it, and steal everyone's funds, but He is in the wrong for doing so.

Would you agree?

I am in the impression that Tomos hasn't been paid either. Are you for sure that he has been paid and is milking it?

Very sure.
He had the Electroneum that was stuck with cryptopia?
Well. Cryptopia fixed that issue. So he has at least that stuff. Plus everything that was mined on his pool after that.

Back to the original point. Do you agree with my previous post?

I am always to the opinion that verbal words fly away vs having a written contract. Meaning verbal contracts are often broken. Do i think it's right? Of course not, but he has stated this in that post that says:
"i will not spend m energy to answer separately to this shitty questions..
i will not pay from my pocket, my deposit is already sent to cryptopia so i must wait. I am too tired from that complaining shits also i have no profit from these my projects, my total loss is more than 5000$ for now and i will stop losing money. Will pay that miners mined, nothing else. Be happy that i am offering so high payout rates and spending my valuable time to maintain my server for YOUR profit. This time i can easily spend to my family without stress, and you are complaining??? WTF"

So here people should have stopped mining with him, because to me this is the point of breaking the contract, people should have started looking elsewhere.

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Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 01:03:46 PM

Quote from: shaw1 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:06 PM

Okay. You are purposefully missing the point.

Tomos agreed to pay for the hashes.
If he does not do so, it is safe to say that he is stealing from the people who paid him via mining.

By your logic, no one has to follow through on any agreements. Tomos made an agreement. He should repay. That is his obligation. He can ignore it, and steal everyone's funds, but He is in the wrong for doing so.

Would you agree?

I am in the impression that Tomos hasn't been paid either. Are you for sure that he has been paid and is milking it?

Very sure.
He had the Electroneum that was stuck with cryptopia?
Well. Cryptopia fixed that issue. So he has at least that stuff. Plus everything that was mined on his pool after that.

Back to the original point. Do you agree with my previous post?

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Quote from: shaw1 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:06 PM

Okay. You are purposefully missing the point.

Tomos agreed to pay for the hashes.
If he does not do so, it is safe to say that he is stealing from the people who paid him via mining.

By your logic, no one has to follow through on any agreements. Tomos made an agreement. He should repay. That is his obligation. He can ignore it, and steal everyone's funds, but He is in the wrong for doing so.

Would you agree?

I am in the impression that Tomos hasn't been paid either. Are you for sure that he has been paid and is milking it?

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Quote from: StelioKontos on April 09, 2018, 12:07:59 PM

Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 10:42:26 AM

Quote from: StelioKontos on April 09, 2018, 09:44:41 AM

Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 09:11:29 AM

Because of all the idiots that are not patient, Tomos is probably fed up with the project. If you guys remember one of his previous posts responding to one of the idiots, he said that he was doing this as a hobby and he wasn't making any money since he was paying 90+ percent of the mining to people and 10% was for paying the server costs. But people kept pushing because ya they are idiots, so there you go. Maybe people were just jealous so they wanted to boycot him, and then the ETN case was the tipping point. In any case it was great while it lasted. Thank you Tomos. Maybe when BTC price grows again you can show the middle finger to all the idiots and pickup where you left off. And to all the idiots, quick...somebody just dropped a penny on the ground, go pick it up! You gotta round up the dollar somehow. And if you are from another country other than USA, well read between the lines.

You definetely made me very curious with this post.

Who are those iditos you are referring to and how are they connected to Tomos81 stopping the payouts to the users mining with his service?

A while back Tomos was getting frustrated with people asking to be paid. And also with people saying he was a fraud because it was impossible that he was paying so much when other sites were paying much less. Therefore he said that this was his hobby to help people, and that he wasnt making any money since his money was made from other investments he had. I would say he just got fed up, i mean i would too.

I followed this topic recently, since I started mining here and I didn't see any abrupt explosion of anger or accusation for one, two even three weeks with no payouts. People were understanding that ETN was frozen on Cryptopia and patiently waited. When Cryptopia unlocked ETN from manteinance and still payouts were missing, than I saw people starting getting worried and a few (a couple of users, maybe three) called out for the scam.

Now, nobody mentally sane would blame 2 or 3 angry users for the failure of a mining pool operation in this context, I hope.

But, not only the operation may have failed, but the website nor the first post of the thread has been updated with information of the uncertainty of the payouts or the shutdown of the operation, so he may actually still gathering hashes. I find this not cool at all.

Please read his post on march 10 2018, i think its on page 49

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Okay. You are purposefully missing the point.

Tomos agreed to pay for the hashes.
If he does not do so, it is safe to say that he is stealing from the people who paid him via mining.

By your logic, no one has to follow through on any agreements. Tomos made an agreement. He should repay. That is his obligation. He can ignore it, and steal everyone's funds, but He is in the wrong for doing so.

Would you agree?

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Hey you guys made the choice to trust Tomos. Nobody is forcing you here. You want to compare it to a bank, ok lets do that.
U get a credit card from a bank, and then you find out somebody stole part of your credit. Well a good bank just issues you a new card because the credit is actually theirs and not yours, and you are just using it and paying it back with interests. However if people steal money from your debit card (your money from the checking account), some banks only reimburse up to $1000, and some banks charge you a fee.
You guys talk like you are entitled to getting reimbursed!
@Senzacervello (without a brain) So if you pay for satellite service with directv or dish, and you are watching a show. Then it starts raining and all of a sudden your tv goes black as a result of that. You decide well i am still going to keep the tv on for the rest of the show hoping that it comes back but at the end it doesn't. What do you do then? call Directv and tell them to reimburse you the electricity you wasted? Ridiculous!

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Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 10:42:26 AM

Quote from: StelioKontos on April 09, 2018, 09:44:41 AM

Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 09:11:29 AM

Because of all the idiots that are not patient, Tomos is probably fed up with the project. If you guys remember one of his previous posts responding to one of the idiots, he said that he was doing this as a hobby and he wasn't making any money since he was paying 90+ percent of the mining to people and 10% was for paying the server costs. But people kept pushing because ya they are idiots, so there you go. Maybe people were just jealous so they wanted to boycot him, and then the ETN case was the tipping point. In any case it was great while it lasted. Thank you Tomos. Maybe when BTC price grows again you can show the middle finger to all the idiots and pickup where you left off. And to all the idiots, quick...somebody just dropped a penny on the ground, go pick it up! You gotta round up the dollar somehow. And if you are from another country other than USA, well read between the lines.

You definetely made me very curious with this post.

Who are those iditos you are referring to and how are they connected to Tomos81 stopping the payouts to the users mining with his service?

A while back Tomos was getting frustrated with people asking to be paid. And also with people saying he was a fraud because it was impossible that he was paying so much when other sites were paying much less. Therefore he said that this was his hobby to help people, and that he wasnt making any money since his money was made from other investments he had. I would say he just got fed up, i mean i would too.

I followed this topic recently, since I started mining here and I didn't see any abrupt explosion of anger or accusation for one, two even three weeks with no payouts. People were understanding that ETN was frozen on Cryptopia and patiently waited. When Cryptopia unlocked ETN from manteinance and still payouts were missing, than I saw people starting getting worried and a few (a couple of users, maybe three) called out for the scam.

Now, nobody mentally sane would blame 2 or 3 angry users for the failure of a mining pool operation in this context, I hope.

But, not only the operation may have failed, but the website nor the first post of the thread has been updated with information of the uncertainty of the payouts or the shutdown of the operation, so he may actually still gathering hashes. I find this not cool at all.

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Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 10:39:30 AM

Quote from: Senzacervello on April 09, 2018, 09:25:59 AM

Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 09:11:29 AM

Because of all the idiots that are not patient, Tomos is probably fed up with the project. If you guys remember one of his previous posts responding to one of the idiots, he said that he was doing this as a hobby and he wasn't making any money since he was paying 90+ percent of the mining to people and 10% was for paying the server costs. But people kept pushing because ya they are idiots, so there you go. Maybe people were just jealous so they wanted to boycot him, and then the ETN case was the tipping point. In any case it was great while it lasted. Thank you Tomos. Maybe when BTC price grows again you can show the middle finger to all the idiots and pickup where you left off. And to all the idiots, quick...somebody just dropped a penny on the ground, go pick it up! You gotta round up the dollar somehow. And if you are from another country other than USA, well read between the lines.

Yeah, the world plot of ETN. I'm not from USA but I have a long experience in working with companies from there. There a hand-shake, a promise, is worth a contract of trillions of pages. Well, among my partners. None of them failed to show up when things went wrong. And sometimes they indeed went very wrong.
Read between what you want, if it makes you feel better. But to call idiot somebody who is expecting a promise to be held and victim the one who's not holding sounds a bit odd. Should sound that way also in USA.
Have a nice day

See this is where you are wrong. This is a gamble, it has always been, not a promise.

I will send a nice mail to the utility company that gives me electricity saying that it was a gamble. You know, newbies whining, ETN case, the fall in price in BTC. I am sure that they will cancel my bills. LOL

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Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 10:46:40 AM

Quote from: shaw1 on April 09, 2018, 10:39:50 AM

I would actually have to say that I agree with the above statement. (With StelioKontos).

While perhaps people were quick to jump the gun, on the mining being a scam, they are in no way to blame for payouts stopping.

The terms got changed midway. They were in basically a verbal contract with Mr. Tomos.
They felt cheated. They were entitled to feel this was unfair.

Everyone needed to keep it civil, and somewhat respectful.

But you cannot "justify" failing to make payouts on a couple of whiners. That isn't on the newbies. That is on the person choosing whether or not to pay his users.

And in this case, at this point, it looks like a breach of contract. Tomos is the one failing to uphold his end of the agreement. Not the newbies.
(Not disagreeing entirely, you understand. Newbies can be fast to complain about everything under the sun. But they are not the reason for payouts stopping. Tomos is.)

I am not saying they are the only ones to blame. It was a combination of: BTC price falling more than 60%, ETN case, people just bashing Tomos for not paying.

Please do not exagerate:
Tomos blamed me because I payout not so much he promised...
Tomos place I would be shamed and I hope he has learned one thing:
It is better promising nothing and paying that the contrary like he does.

But honestly...if you are honest,you attract only very few people,believe me,I know about what I talk.
But I have an advantage tomos do not has...I can give more than I promise or promised.

I hope that tomos will pay so much as possible the miners or change nickname (lol)

@ shaw1

If I understand well you agree I promise 300 or 500 sat/million to steal miners at other webmasters and later I payout without losing...

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Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 10:46:40 AM

Quote from: shaw1 on April 09, 2018, 10:39:50 AM

I would actually have to say that I agree with the above statement. (With StelioKontos).

While perhaps people were quick to jump the gun, on the mining being a scam, they are in no way to blame for payouts stopping.

The terms got changed midway. They were in basically a verbal contract with Mr. Tomos.
They felt cheated. They were entitled to feel this was unfair.

Everyone needed to keep it civil, and somewhat respectful.

But you cannot "justify" failing to make payouts on a couple of whiners. That isn't on the newbies. That is on the person choosing whether or not to pay his users.

And in this case, at this point, it looks like a breach of contract. Tomos is the one failing to uphold his end of the agreement. Not the newbies.
(Not disagreeing entirely, you understand. Newbies can be fast to complain about everything under the sun. But they are not the reason for payouts stopping. Tomos is.)

I am not saying they are the only ones to blame. It was a combination of: BTC price falling more than 60%, ETN case, people just bashing Tomos for not paying.

That's ridiculous.

If I lose my job, and the bank starts sending me letters, asking for their monthly check, does that give me the right to not pay them?
At that point, that is theft.

Users gave Tomos hashrate. They deserve to be paid. That was the understanding.

It is completely understandable that users would not recieve 300 satoshis/million. I don't think anyone here thinks Tomos should lose money over this. Or go into debt.

But the Electroneum that he is holding should be dispersed to the miners. It isn't his. He made a promise, and should do his best to keep it. Keeping the ETN for himself is theft. Period.

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Quote from: shaw1 on April 09, 2018, 10:39:50 AM

I would actually have to say that I agree with the above statement. (With StelioKontos).

While perhaps people were quick to jump the gun, on the mining being a scam, they are in no way to blame for payouts stopping.

The terms got changed midway. They were in basically a verbal contract with Mr. Tomos.
They felt cheated. They were entitled to feel this was unfair.

Everyone needed to keep it civil, and somewhat respectful.

But you cannot "justify" failing to make payouts on a couple of whiners. That isn't on the newbies. That is on the person choosing whether or not to pay his users.

And in this case, at this point, it looks like a breach of contract. Tomos is the one failing to uphold his end of the agreement. Not the newbies.
(Not disagreeing entirely, you understand. Newbies can be fast to complain about everything under the sun. But they are not the reason for payouts stopping. Tomos is.)

I am not saying they are the only ones to blame. It was a combination of: BTC price falling more than 60%, ETN case, people just bashing Tomos for not paying.

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Quote from: StelioKontos on April 09, 2018, 09:44:41 AM

Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 09:11:29 AM

Because of all the idiots that are not patient, Tomos is probably fed up with the project. If you guys remember one of his previous posts responding to one of the idiots, he said that he was doing this as a hobby and he wasn't making any money since he was paying 90+ percent of the mining to people and 10% was for paying the server costs. But people kept pushing because ya they are idiots, so there you go. Maybe people were just jealous so they wanted to boycot him, and then the ETN case was the tipping point. In any case it was great while it lasted. Thank you Tomos. Maybe when BTC price grows again you can show the middle finger to all the idiots and pickup where you left off. And to all the idiots, quick...somebody just dropped a penny on the ground, go pick it up! You gotta round up the dollar somehow. And if you are from another country other than USA, well read between the lines.

You definetely made me very curious with this post.

Who are those iditos you are referring to and how are they connected to Tomos81 stopping the payouts to the users mining with his service?

A while back Tomos was getting frustrated with people asking to be paid. And also with people saying he was a fraud because it was impossible that he was paying so much when other sites were paying much less. Therefore he said that this was his hobby to help people, and that he wasnt making any money since his money was made from other investments he had. I would say he just got fed up, i mean i would too.

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I would actually have to say that I agree with the above statement. (With StelioKontos).

While perhaps people were quick to jump the gun, on the mining being a scam, they are in no way to blame for payouts stopping.

The terms got changed midway. They were in basically a verbal contract with Mr. Tomos.
They felt cheated. They were entitled to feel this was unfair.

Everyone needed to keep it civil, and somewhat respectful.

But you cannot "justify" failing to make payouts on a couple of whiners. That isn't on the newbies. That is on the person choosing whether or not to pay his users.

And in this case, at this point, it looks like a breach of contract. Tomos is the one failing to uphold his end of the agreement. Not the newbies.
(Not disagreeing entirely, you understand. Newbies can be fast to complain about everything under the sun. But they are not the reason for payouts stopping. Tomos is.)

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Quote from: Senzacervello on April 09, 2018, 09:25:59 AM

Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 09:11:29 AM

Because of all the idiots that are not patient, Tomos is probably fed up with the project. If you guys remember one of his previous posts responding to one of the idiots, he said that he was doing this as a hobby and he wasn't making any money since he was paying 90+ percent of the mining to people and 10% was for paying the server costs. But people kept pushing because ya they are idiots, so there you go. Maybe people were just jealous so they wanted to boycot him, and then the ETN case was the tipping point. In any case it was great while it lasted. Thank you Tomos. Maybe when BTC price grows again you can show the middle finger to all the idiots and pickup where you left off. And to all the idiots, quick...somebody just dropped a penny on the ground, go pick it up! You gotta round up the dollar somehow. And if you are from another country other than USA, well read between the lines.

Yeah, the world plot of ETN. I'm not from USA but I have a long experience in working with companies from there. There a hand-shake, a promise, is worth a contract of trillions of pages. Well, among my partners. None of them failed to show up when things went wrong. And sometimes they indeed went very wrong.
Read between what you want, if it makes you feel better. But to call idiot somebody who is expecting a promise to be held and victim the one who's not holding sounds a bit odd. Should sound that way also in USA.
Have a nice day

See this is where you are wrong. This is a gamble, it has always been, not a promise.

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Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 09:11:29 AM

Because of all the idiots that are not patient, Tomos is probably fed up with the project. If you guys remember one of his previous posts responding to one of the idiots, he said that he was doing this as a hobby and he wasn't making any money since he was paying 90+ percent of the mining to people and 10% was for paying the server costs. But people kept pushing because ya they are idiots, so there you go. Maybe people were just jealous so they wanted to boycot him, and then the ETN case was the tipping point. In any case it was great while it lasted. Thank you Tomos. Maybe when BTC price grows again you can show the middle finger to all the idiots and pickup where you left off. And to all the idiots, quick...somebody just dropped a penny on the ground, go pick it up! You gotta round up the dollar somehow. And if you are from another country other than USA, well read between the lines.

You definetely made me very curious with this post.

Who are those iditos you are referring to and how are they connected to Tomos81 stopping the payouts to the users mining with his service?

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Quote from: iiiduncaniii on April 09, 2018, 09:11:29 AM

Because of all the idiots that are not patient, Tomos is probably fed up with the project. If you guys remember one of his previous posts responding to one of the idiots, he said that he was doing this as a hobby and he wasn't making any money since he was paying 90+ percent of the mining to people and 10% was for paying the server costs. But people kept pushing because ya they are idiots, so there you go. Maybe people were just jealous so they wanted to boycot him, and then the ETN case was the tipping point. In any case it was great while it lasted. Thank you Tomos. Maybe when BTC price grows again you can show the middle finger to all the idiots and pickup where you left off. And to all the idiots, quick...somebody just dropped a penny on the ground, go pick it up! You gotta round up the dollar somehow. And if you are from another country other than USA, well read between the lines.

I second this! Few Newbies are a**holes here!

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