Topic: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit (Read 3337 times)

More stuff about @Vod. Ref.: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/allegation-that-i-am-quickseller-vod-brought-to-my-attention-5205292

When we try to talk about trust we devolve to drama. Naturally and understandably ofc.

Luckily, a cooler head intervened, and made OG remove his trust abuse, so maybe the forum will quiet down a bit...


OG, as others have asked, can you leave me out of your mid life crisis please?

I'm sorry about this misunderstanding. I'm merely trying to make fun of you. Having dealt with narcissists IRL it's a relief to be able to just laugh it off here. If I tried to insult you I would do a far better job, perhaps ask TMAN to help me out with the vocabulary.

So I take it the Hellot thing is not really a scam. By my last count the ratio of your negative feedback was ~ 3:2 against people you dislike vs people who might actually be untrustworthy. If you don't trust (LOL) me on that you could take the hint from the length of the distrust list you amassed in DT1.

But hey, at least you do something for Bitcoin or so I've heard.

OK, do better research.  LOL.  You keep insulting me and claiming I have thin skin.  I'm not sure that means what you think it means.  It's almost like you have an ulterior motive that keeps you from even engaging in any meaningful conversation.  You are obsessed with pushing forward a false narrative at any cost.  I hope someday you grow past this and can learn to want to see this community and those that support it honestly thrive.

I did some research and I don't see any proof that Hellot tried to scam you. Perhaps you need to revise your feedback and/or provide a better reference if that's the case. Otherwise it fits the disturbing pattern of your thin-skinned ratings in personal squabbles...


... and your holier-than-thou attitude towards anybody who doesn't worship you.

Then maybe you need to do some research.  When it comes to me, you seem to side with the blatant scammers every single time.  This is why I don't trust your opinion.  You very obviously have an ulterior motive, and you really should get over it.  It isn't helpful.  I get that your only claim to being involved with Bitcoin is what you post here, so you constantly insert yourself in things that have nothing to do with you and that you have no knowledge of, but seriously, it's getting really old.  Do something productive for Bitcoin and stop harassing those that do.

Really... It looks like you caught Hellot posting unfavorable comments about you, the most common offence for which you dole out red trust.

Thanks.  I'm a pretty happy guy but the more the merrier!

You ignoring me?  LOL.  I don't intend to stop fighting against abuse on this forum, so I suspect I'll be occupying space in your head for a long time to come. 

Brilliant, i'm so happy for you and i am rather flattered that you have such a hardon for me, but OG these pathetic childish attempts to discredit me and bring me down to your level are just that pathetic. On DT or off DT my life wont change, i'm pretty sure the senior members attitude towards me is shown by the fact I have a fuck ton more votes than you for DT..

Enough of this anyway, you mean nothing to me so ill stick you back on ignore and crack on with my day. I have asked you to leave me alone and will just add a "OgNasty is not allowed to post" as a local rule in any threads I start. Simple enough to deal with something as insignificant as you.

My apologies.  You are right, I mistyped.  I meant Hellot, who I caught trying to scam my escrow service: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-04-27_Sat_21.41h/351430.html

It's hard for me to keep all the trust abusers straight sometimes, especially when their lists change daily depending on who they're targeting that day.  Thank you for correcting me.

TMAN, I'm not going to go away.  I'm actually feeling more empowered than ever and fairly confident that your time on DT is nearing it's end.

     Yes, Last of the V8s happens to be one of the "stars" of the WO thread. I'm sure many of the people who have included him on their trust lists have absolutely nothing personal against Ognasty. In fact, I know of one person who has included him on the list that recently gave Ognasty a positive rating, after buying one of his coins.

Then stop fucking posting my name, I dislike you with a passion, you are an egotistical trumpesque narcissist with very questionable business practices, but I have done my upmost to avoid you for a long time now and yet  you are mentioning me, fridj, Lauda and vod in every other post?

OG, grow the fuck up man. Like seriously fella move on, get off the high horse and go about your day, stick those you dislike on ignore and crack on with your club and all the other great things you do for bitcoin that you keep talking about. I know you wont, but ill tell you what I told my youngest kid "actions count louder than words"

so OG if you really believe this


please leave me out of your mini midlife crisis

no force.  You had as choice like everyone else to smarten up or lose DT1 lottery privileges.  If you want to be in DT someday, then yes, you were forced to remove your tags.  

you are attempting to twist words like everything else.

You do realize that not everyone feels the need to brag about their "doings"? Probably not.


Last of the V8s is not in TMAN's trust list. Kinda hard to take your lecturing seriously when you keep making shit up.

As far as theymos guidance - I don't think the intent is to make everyone's list exactly the same as his.

Lead by example. Give some proof for the lies you spread about me.

Of course you don't, trolls are rarely self aware.

So essentially, you want a centralized system that relies entirely on one person's judgement? Why are you interested in Bitcoin again?

Oh ya, owlcatz should be on that list also.

I hope one day you stop being such a prick suchmoon, or if you're gonna be a prick, at least do SOMETHING for Bitcoin.  Anything.

I don't think I'm part of the problem, and I don't think the Administrators of this forum believe that, nor do a majority of users.  theymos has distrusted TMAN for god's sake and users like Last of the V8's are only in DT2 because of TMAN's inclusion, how much more guidance do you need?  Those users should clearly be excluded from DT.

Interesting criteria but you forgot owlcatz. He also posted a negative rating for you, therefore must be a very bad person.

Or it could be that you're the problem.

I wasn't forced into anything.  I'm trying to do my part to heal tensions around here.  Meanwhile idiots like minifrij are trying harder than ever to cause problems.  These users who can't get on board with the trust system being a system of trust and not an extortion or slander tool need to be removed from it.  It would be nice if that happened before another year of this nonsense.  If you've included users like TMAN, minifrij, Last of the V8's, into your trust network...  YOU ARE THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRUST NETWORK.

The trust systems stupid shit = The trust system . Or rather the merit system which is now also the trust system.

What VOD says may be true in part, but it is not OGnasty's fault. I blame THEYMOS for this absolute mess. He sat on his hands for months watching OBSERVABLY untrustworthy scammers and liars gang up and gradually spoil the trust of  honest members that never scammed any person here. To the point now that a LARGE sign appears at the top of the page saying this thread is started by a SCAMMER? Also VOD is observably guilty of the same thing. VOD admits lauda or atriz have deserved red trust before but says he dare not give them red trust because he can not do so without them painting him red and ruining his own account. That is how it read to us anyway. So no double standards here VOD. The trust systems design prevents scammers getting tagged in some instances. Or forces removal of their tags once they get enough leverage on you. This is the problem with allowing scammers and their ass lickers on to DT1.





Ognasty runs a business , he is likely responsible for others investments. He is trapped by these broken and shitty merit and trust systems and those that self enabled their own entrenchment in the DT network via the observably gamed and broken metric of the subjective misleading merit system.

So faced with being BRANDED a scammer and risking the investments of others by an observable bunch of scammers and liars and their ever growing bunch of "merit powered up" ass lickers and loyal dogs. I guess his only choice was to capitulate and say fuck it under these pseudo decentralized gamed systems with no single point of accountability, I can not beat them so I must join with them or appear to join with them for now.

That was perhaps the wise play with investors concerned, but it certainly now has left him open to criticism. One simply does not go from being adamant that a member is "filthy dirty" with observable multiple instances of lying, scamming, extortion, trust abuse, and shady escrow dealings to saying " oh well they said they will not do anything like that again" so I decided to leave the entire community vulnerable to WHEN they do do it again? rock and a hard place comes to mind. Do we believe ognasty believes Lauda is safe to the community and is not a scammer FUCK NO!!

POOR move by OgNasty. But what else could the poor wretch do?  Theymos was seemingly happy for months to watch OG's account get ruined in the name of some strange experiment in pseudo decentralizing trust whilst essentially handing it over to OBSERVABLY dirty and treacherous scum and their supporters that are only entrenching themselves deeper daily.  Someone that is guilty of ALL of those scamming, extorting, lying, shady escrow, flagrant trust abuse is glowing 300 green POSTIVE trust. WTF is this board doing? It is setting members up to GET SCAMMED.  

How many more times could OGnasty have indirectly pleaded for help from Theymos and complained that DT was infested with observably corrupt and scamming dirt bags??? He is partially to blame too. Being too much of an ass kisser to authority does not help authority "oh perhaps it will improve" "oh perhaps he has his own reasons"  "perhaps this is early teething problems" . It fails to help highlight obvious flaws. The creator of any system wants to give their systems a chance to work and will be unrealistic regarding its performance and potential. Better to hit them with the truth. Those systems can never work as they are and are completely dangerous and misleading and crush free speech with no single point of accountability. "meh all my buddies are getting away with it I will get away with it too" then if questioned we all stick together and win through force of numbers?? theymos won't do anything about it except make another post we can ignore. Lauda reads it and says fuck off. I will red trust who I like with no evidence other than they tried to mention things I want to remain hidden. LOL : "I have no need then to change ANY of my ratings"

Anyone telling the truth and presenting these observable instances is immediately painted red as a "scammer"??

Man up Theymos, tell these OBSERVABLE dirt bags : red trust only scammers and those you can present a STRONG case have scammed or intend to scam or you with be BLACKLISTED immediately.  Linking merit to trust was the most crazy thing I have witnessed on this board. You would have to have rocks in your head to think that was the single metric to represent trust here. I mean look at the results so far? people who greedily give all the merits to each other and all spamming gambling and mixing sigs for max payout are obviously the most trustworthy real enthusiasts who care about the community and not just self enriching themselves?? makes perfect sense OR DOES IT?

Theymos is ultimately responsible as the warden of this board and his decentralized experiment has FAILED. Merit is the carrot , red trust is the stick to create an echo chamber and a place for them to act as they wish with impunity . BOTH carrot and stick  mostly controlled by the same group of observable liars, scammers, trust abusers, and their supporters , total collusion no decentralization. BYE BYE free speech. The financial incentive to abuse the fragile systems is clear.

Everyone will eventually face the same choice as OGnasty you can not currently beat them they control the keys to DT1 via merit allocation which is subjective and can not be questioned, join with them for merits, join with them for paid2post, for trading, for an easy life, maybe even be one of their supporters on DT even if you only been here a few months if you really ass kiss and demonstrate you will back their actions,  Or see your account ruined, kiss goodbye to merits, paid2post and trading and an easy life here.

The only people that are free to speak the truth are those that don't care too much for red trust, no paid2post, no trading, no merits and a tough time here. Those are few and far between if any.

I am not anti theymos in that we feel he is not intentionally destroying the boards free speech. I am anti theymos's systems merit and DT creations. The long game is too long, the start was too poor. You start off on that fucked trajectory there is no pulling it back for a LONG time. DT selection process could work better if there was a more sensible metric or combination of metrics to base it on. Merit is broken and beyond help. Restrict it to snr rank and below after that decouple it from rank.

It is like a reasonably "fair" dictator saying " for the good of my kingdom I will now give over power to the very most observably dishonest, untrustworthy and greedy generals , they are free to select only those they feel best suited to help them govern you all, bye bye " err yes btw " generals please be good"  IF he had given power to his more fair and honest generals then perhaps things could have gone better. Still people will devolve to greed and self interest within a certain time frame regardless.

When you have one of the worst and most observably dangerous members glowing 300 green and honest members glowing -2000 red+ you know you fucked up.

Ognasty is not a scammer but he was forced into bed with one now and most others will red will gladly capitulate to get rid of "their own" red trust.  Soon only we willl remain honest and loyal to satoshi's vision. Pushing for transparent,fair and equal treatment of all members, where scammers are correctly called scammers and honest members are correctly recognized as honest members. We like red trust from abusers it serves our purpose. We like the hate of scammers,liars, extortionists and their ass kissers.