Topic: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit - page 10. (Read 3337 times)

Well let's consider the observable events  - Want evidence to substantiate any of these statements then just ask.


1. what kind of people are saying the trust system works well and no need for a review.

a/ A proven liar, scammer, and one implicated in extortion and shady escrow practises.
b/ A proven sneaky, greedy, racist trolling sig spammer sock puppet user who is desperate for btc dust.
c/ Quite possibly the worst merit abuser on this board who just slathers political merit to those in "*the gang"

* the gang is a bunch of merit cyclers who also collude on the inclusions and exclusions on the trust list. Simply pull up their fans and recipients on the bpip or dig deeper to their top 20 or 30 lists these cyclers are riddled inside those top lists. They all rush to each other defence and attack as gang on threads where their "power" is questioned. (like here)

2./ What kind of persons are demonstrating it observably does not work

a/ persons that have voiced the truth about DT's prior observable wrong doing - and got red trust
b/ persons that were accused of being other members (with no evidence) - and got red trust
c/ other NON scammers - got red trust.


Merit is the real cancer here on this board. It is just most people are too dumb to understand how merit (now trust also for some unknown reason) crushes free speech whilst enabling and small group of proven untrustworthy individuals to gain power and control others PAID2POST and Trading behaviour.  This is an observable fact.

So in short - not only does it not work because you now have a bunch of red scores for things not only NOT for scamming. You have red trust being given to those who are telling the truth and highlighting OBSERVABLE wrongdoing by individuals that should never be in a trust position.  So we created systems that are misleading and broken and as a nice side effect crush free speech.

You want to dispute anything I have said?? Bring the debate here.

TL/DR

Both systems of control are not only broken and wide open to gaming (which is actually incentivized and rewarded )they crush free speech (the worst thing that could ever happen here).

Oh, come on.  Your opinion and your creation of this thread is completely biased, and the only reason you're saying anything is because of the red trust you recently got.

The problem in this case isn't the trust system, though there are certainly problems with it.  The problem here is that members finally called bullshit on your late loan repayment practices and lousy attitude toward both the lender and the community, which I've already addressed in at least one other thread that dealt with the incident.  You can't expect to hold someone's money hostage with excuses and delays and not pay a penalty for that.  The problem is you in this case, not the trust system.

That said, I may consider revision of my feedback at a later date, just as I do with anyone who has learned from their mistakes.  I'm not sure you realize where you went wrong, however.

If you consistently repay loans late then you have to accept that the neutral ratings are fair. Potential lenders might not be happy getting paid late & I doubt you tell them before the loan ‘I’ll probably repay late’. If you did it might determine wether they’re willing to lend to you or not so absolutely the neutral ratings are fair.

The negative ratings are determined by who has given them, I can see why some have left you red trust but I deemed neutral as enough for now.

Just stop repaying loans late & you won’t have to worry.

This thread wouldn't exist without those new negatives that you've gotten. Nothing is broken, sort-of.

Seems fine to me. That is indeed a valid reason (of which there are many) to consider Thule to be untrustworthy. I fail to see any problem here, certainly nothing to conclude that the trust system as a whole is "broken".

The only thing you can do at this moment, is to create your own Trust list. If enough users do that, DT will have less power over them.
However, I think the majority is fine with the current trust system, and you too haven't create your own list yet. You've been included and excluded by many users, including Admin:

In short: choose who's judgement you trust and create your own Trust list

I think that it is almost impossible to create a good trust system - look at the problems that Ebay has with theirs. One solution is to have a full time staff member to create and monitor a trust system. This would be rather like a credit rating, but there is a cost associated with this, and also the risk of legal action over some rankings. The other problem is that whilst account sales are allowed, then you cannot rely on the current trust rating for a sold account.

The best use of the trust system is for members to decide on a couple of members they respect, and to see who they trust in a trade or exchange.

Everyone have their own right to give feedback to anyone if they want,so we can't say this is broken.

But you can see if there is a feedback left by a DT member without any reason then it will be overcome by other members feedback once you can convince other DT members that you are trusted enough.

When someone is doing retaliatory feedback then you can appeal it to theymos,he is the only person can blacklist the DT1 members manually.

Changed thread name: post whatever stupid shit goes on through "trust drama" here if you'd like. Everyone needs to relax (maybe take 420 to do so?) & stop creating problems where there are none .

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"Counter." I didn't cut anything off, that's really the only thing he put lol.

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Just expressing my thoughts, trying to NOT come from a biased point of view (though currently, I am victim of these problems too).

Not sure about a solution, it's too easy for one to subjectively scammer-tag people without repercussions because they will endlessly argue about the validity of the trust.

The trust that I found that led me to this post (apart from my obvious circumstances) was left by yahoo62278 on Thule: "This user has some issues. Dealing with him may lead to personal vendettas or major smear attempts."

User has some issues... May lead to... Hmm. I wouldn't think negative (scammer) trust is required to say this. Neutral works just fine. I didn't look at this user's other trusts - but if this one is there: bound to have many users affected in the same way.

It's a tit for tat kind of reputation system, which is fucked. On the flip side, it is too easy to gain trust too. Really not sure of any solution (but whatever the old system was, seemed to have less flaws)? Not sure, maybe now more people add more people to trusted lists, so many more people have reputation building or destroying power.

Other instances:
- to be added, please comment any you find too.